Malcolm Merlyn Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 yes i have some very close girlfriends and trust me we discuss EVERYTHING!! okay jus an assumption.......suppose u r an immoral one,and suppose..............so with whom will u discuss ur EVERYTHING.....sm1 who is moral and take sit very seriously or sm1 who is bit less moral Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CricketGirl Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Morality is a combination of nature and nurture. By nature, human beings are pack animals, they were not endowed with sharp teeth and nails like a tiger or raw strength and power like an elephant, they had to make do with what they had, so they formed packs, each individual human, strong or weak, has an implicit contract with everyone else, which basically says "you mind your business and I will mind mine, dont hurt me when I am in a weak state, and I will make sure I wont do the same when you are weak" in simpler words, this is referred to as the Golden rule. This Golden rule is the basis of every social construct, with the rest being gravy. Now by nurture, each society is taught differently of what is moral and what is not, some societies have evolved where charity is a must, where yuo are considered immoral if you dont recycle your waste etc, now coming to this particular statement "Desi women are more moral when compared to non desi ones in sexual matters" is a logical fallacy. Why is it wrong for a single woman not under any implicit or explicit contract with another individual male/female via marriage or other means, to indulge in sexual activities with whomsoever she pleases as long as it is mutually consenting and she is not enticing through immoral means (like false promises of marriage or wealth etc). Now, cheating on a significant other after marriage is considered immoral everywhere in the world, and there is no significant statistic that will prove either way, the number of western women who have sex outside marriage is higher than Desi ones. Would you consider the statement, "Islamic women are more moral than Desi (hindu) ones since they are always well covered, and dont talk to any male not related to them?" if you dont, please say why. P.S. Morirrs, you have raised very valid questions, I would like to continue that discussion outside this thread if need be. no because they will still administer a certain amout of free will! in other words if they're gonna do it they will do it no matter what!! ok i have a question for you! there is a common joke made about desi women that if you want any action you need to promise them marriage first that joke must have originated from some sort of truth!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CricketGirl Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 okay jus an assumption.......suppose u r an immoral one' date='and suppose..............so with whom will u discuss ur EVERYTHING.....sm1 who is moral and take sit very seriously or sm1 who is bit less moral[/quote'] depends! if i felt guilty then i would speak to the moral one but if i didnt i would tell the less moral one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Merlyn Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 depends! if i felt guilty then i would speak to the moral one but if i didnt i would tell the less moral one! exactly...............so if they didnt feel guilty they wont discuss wth u.........anyways more no. of desis are moral,bt der no. is fast receding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triam Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 no because they will still administer a certain amout of free will! in other words if they're gonna do it they will do it no matter what!! ok i have a question for you! there is a common joke made about desi women that if you want any action you need to promise them marriage first that joke must have originated from some sort of truth!! then why do you think that desi women are more moral? they dont exercise their free will or they dont even think about sex with other males? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 I wonder if all the guys who are so pro-pre-marital sex would have the same views when they become fathers of girl children especially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gunner Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 i guess my job has made me rather synical about that! ok here's a typical example: gori girl gets pregnant at the age of 16 parents deliberately disown her as they know she will get a govt property as she is still a minor and the fact that she's pregnant makes her vulnerable in the eyes of the council age 17 she gets pregnant again so the council have no choice but to giver her a bigger house as she is entitled to it after age 19 she has a 3rd child now that she has a 3rd child the government no longer has any right to impose the idea of getting a job and paying rent as she now has too many dependant children!! this is just a small typical example of the hundreds of girls i see day in day out majority of them are english, west indian, and european i very rarely ever come across desi girls brace yourself honey as this now gives you an idea of where your tax money is going!! oh by the way coincidently there is no father involved anywhere either! I already know about this luv. This is due to poor education standards rather than women wanting to get knocked up at the age of 16. Poor education standards among village girls in India leads to the same, they just get them married or kill them. So this is not really a reflection on morality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CricketGirl Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 exactly...............so if they didnt feel guilty they wont discuss wth u.........anyways more no. of desis are moral' date='bt der no. is fast receding[/quote'] as a guy, the fact that morality in desi women is receding, does that bother you?? how would you feel about marrying a girl who has been ahem less than moral?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gunner Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 thats why i was hesitant to say "all" desi girls as i know there are a few exceptional ones Priya Rai is a perfect example!! the argument here is not whether its morally exceptable for girls to explore their sexuality but the idea of having some sort of morality that teaches them to take responsibilty for their actions She is a pornstar, that is her job. I was talking about a regular girl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Merlyn Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 I already know about this luv. This is due to poor education standards rather than women wanting to get knocked up at the age of 16. Poor education standards among village girls in India leads to the same' date=' they just get them married or kill them. So this is not really a reflection on morality.[/quote'] the reason 2 hv sex may differ in the desi and non desi bt pre maritial sex is bcumin common in desis in india let slone videshi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CricketGirl Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 then why do you think that desi women are more moral? they dont exercise their free will or they dont even think about sex with other males? they tend to exercise their free will with males that they're in a relationship with rather than non desis who will quite happily exercise their free will in one night stands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gunner Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 I think morality is a personal thing. I know from experience that oulooks can change as well. One of my friends got pregnant and made the decision not to gt marries straight away. Now the baby is nearly a year old & they are living together and seem to be really happy. They are even planning to get married next year. My cousin got pregnant in her final year of school' date=' finished the year, had her baby & married the father amonth later. As a result I've felt my own boundaries shift. I'm more tolerent now.[/quote'] Well said. It all comes down to personal choices. I really can't see the problem with a live in relationship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CricketGirl Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 I wonder if all the guys who are so pro-pre-marital sex would have the same views when they become fathers of girl children especially. thank you! excellent point!! and desi families tend to keep a closer eye on what they're girls are uo to! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CricketGirl Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 She is a pornstar' date=' that is her job. I was talking about a regular girl.[/quote'] a job that she is doing out of choice not because she is forced too! coming back to the subject of india and its villages and teenage pregnancies there its still uncommon to see that BEFORE marriage! (stats on wikipedia if you dont beleive me) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gunner Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 I see what you’re saying. Some girls (and there’s no other way to say this..) are just b!tches' date=' plain and simple. If women indulge in sex as some sort of natural progression in a mature, deep relationship, fine. [b']But if they’re going to view as some sort of fun game, then I don’t have too time/respect for those sort of folks. First question, why cant you see sex as a recreational activity? Second question, if one of your male friends was like that would you look down upon him too? What gives you that high ground? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triam Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 they tend to exercise their free will with males that they're in a relationship with rather than non desis who will quite happily exercise their free will in one night stands and what is immoral about that, as long as they are not in some other relatinship and are cheating? isnt this just an arbitary line in sand where it says, I will have sex with someone only in a relationship (not necessarily a marriage) but not with someone else, even though this relationship could end in weeks or months? if a girl says she wont have sex with anybody until after marriage, will that make her more moral than some other girl who will have sex with smeone who she is in with a relatinshp but not married? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Merlyn Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 as a guy' date=' the fact that morality in desi women is receding, does that bother you?? how would you feel about marrying a girl who has been ahem less than moral??[/quote'] this was a topic we disscussed in our med school hostel,as many of our friends were getting less moral and i mean both guys and girls......suddenly this was a hot topic in the whole hostel.....finally we guys decided that the only way to get rid of getting a less moral girl in marriage is that u get hook up with a girl early and then end up marrying her or just become less moral ur self...... personally it wuld be tough for me to accept a less moral girl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gunner Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Morality is a combination of nature and nurture. By nature, human beings are pack animals, they were not endowed with sharp teeth and nails like a tiger or raw strength and power like an elephant, they had to make do with what they had, so they formed packs, each individual human, strong or weak, has an implicit contract with everyone else, which basically says "you mind your business and I will mind mine, dont hurt me when I am in a weak state, and I will make sure I wont do the same when you are weak" in simpler words, this is referred to as the Golden rule. This Golden rule is the basis of every social construct, with the rest being gravy. Now by nurture, each society is taught differently of what is moral and what is not, some societies have evolved where charity is a must, where yuo are considered immoral if you dont recycle your waste etc, now coming to this particular statement "Desi women are more moral when compared to non desi ones in sexual matters" is a logical fallacy. Why is it wrong for a single woman not under any implicit or explicit contract with another individual male/female via marriage or other means, to indulge in sexual activities with whomsoever she pleases as long as it is mutually consenting and she is not enticing through immoral means (like false promises of marriage or wealth etc). Now, cheating on a significant other after marriage is considered immoral everywhere in the world, and there is no significant statistic that will prove either way, the number of western women who have sex outside marriage is higher than Desi ones. Would you consider the statement, "Islamic women are more moral than Desi (hindu) ones since they are always well covered, and dont talk to any male not related to them?" if you dont, please say why. P.S. Morirrs, you have raised very valid questions, I would like to continue that discussion outside this thread if need be. If it is not a personal matter, please feel free to discuss here - as I would like to contribute too. The question of an extra-marital affair raises more the hypocrisy rather than the moral question to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CricketGirl Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Well said. It all comes down to personal choices. I really can't see the problem with a live in relationship. no neither do i!! see here's a question for you, if a girl has had more than a couple of bad relationships but has been sexually involved with all of them is that immoral?? but girls that go out specifically on one night stand hunts - is that immoral?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gunner Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 I wonder if all the guys who are so pro-pre-marital sex would have the same views when they become fathers of girl children especially. I have no problems with that. Just like I don't expect my wife to be a "vergin". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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