India....Cricket's Great Under Achievers?

[IndianRenegade]

I do not want to get into this again in this thread. Start another thread and I will talk about it there.

As a matter of fact you have nothing to get into it again. If you had anything you just need to point it out. No evidence was found by an independent trained Judge from NZ, unlike incompetent Procter.

[MundaPakistani]

16 str8 says "we" when referring to australia.....in another thread he claimed he aint an aussie....LOL dont be ashamed buddy!

16 str8- thats enough of a clue. Why would some one trying to conceal his identity would have that user name?

[King Tendulkar]

16 str8- thats enough of a clue. Why would some one trying to conceal his identity would have that user name?

:hysterical::hysterical:good spot!

[King Tendulkar]

Nope, India were knocked out by Sri Lanka after losing to Bangadesh earlier in the group stages. As I remember it was quite embarrising... And Australia went on to win the comp, with Symonds claiming his second World Cup in as many starts.

Wrong we are the world champs just deal with it:finger:

[Chandan]

In that case with Sharma/Sreesanth/Pathan would you say things look to heading the right way for India?

Certainly looks like it. But the bowlers have to keep fit and for that they have to be managed well. I think we are lacking in the ability to manage the work load of these young seamers. In 2007 we won the two test series in which one was against the team ranked as #2 at that time. Had umpiring been even remotely competent, we'd have drawn the series against Australia too. But it doesn't matter. The score board says 2-1 to Australia and that is how it'll remain. Now we are waiting for SA at home. Let us see what happens. As a fan of India and knowing how our system works, I don't feel let down at all.

[Sachinism]

India has achieved quite a few things, though someone has done slightly better and who remembers 2nd best

[prince40]

Indian cricket is no doubt coming towards the end of its "golden age" with the likes of Tendulkar, Ganguly, Dravid, Laxman and Kumble all seemingly in the final stages of their careers. With this in mind, what does India have to show for so many great players? With players of this calibre should India have won a recent World Cup? Should they have achieved the number 1 ranking in test cricket over the last 10 years, if only for a while? Have India let downt their fans?

ur totally wrong mate- if you'd followed indian cricket for awhile, this generation you mentioned has actually reached heights noone ever predicted. no indian team had ever won a test leave alone a test series in pakistan, under ganguly's captaincy this was done. we were battered overseas for years including 4-0 and 3-0 drubbings in aus in the 90's- this team scared the hell outta u guys in 2003 and even this time- these guys won test series victories in WI and england after decades and many other super records- and we did reach the 2003 WC finals smashing every team except aus, and this was a great achievement so the answer is no, they have actually over achieved!!

[Sachinism]

ur totally wrong mate- if you'd followed indian cricket for awhile, this generation you mentioned has actually reached heights noone ever predicted. no indian team had ever won a test leave alone a test series in pakistan, under ganguly's captaincy this was done. we were battered overseas for years including 4-0 and 3-0 drubbings in aus in the 90's- this team scared the hell outta u guys in 2003 and even this time- these guys won test series victories in WI and england after decades and many other super records- and we did reach the 2003 WC finals smashing every team except aus, and this was a great achievement so the answer is no, they have actually over achieved!!

and we did really well in the 1st few ICC mini world cups would have beaten Aus in Aus had it not been for dodgy umpiring

[prince40]

and we did really well in the 1st few ICC mini world cups would have beaten Aus in Aus had it not been for dodgy umpiring

yea and who can forget the natwest finals with yuvi and kaif's historic partnership and dada's shirt waving

[cricket my love]

Indian cricket has always been underachiever because of the fans. Here fans are more obsessed about players individual stats and their personalities than looking for " W" for the team. This culture has to be changed in order for Indian cricket to move forward.

[prince40]

Indian cricket has always been underachiever because of the fans. Here fans are more obsessed about players individual stats and their personalities than looking for " W" for the team. This culture has to be changed in order for Indian cricket to move forward.

umm that was true in the 90s when tendulkar alone played n the rest failed- since 2000 when ganguly became captain all our great victories were team efforts including headingly, world cup, aus and pak tours etc

[prince40]

quite amazing how a single comment by an aussie has our indian fans buying the negative spin conveniently and forgetting the great achievements of the sachin-saurav-dravid-laxman-kumble era

[Dhondy]

Indian cricket is no doubt coming towards the end of its "golden age" with the likes of Tendulkar, Ganguly, Dravid, Laxman and Kumble all seemingly in the final stages of their careers. With this in mind, what does India have to show for so many great players? With players of this calibre should India have won a recent World Cup? Should they have achieved the number 1 ranking in test cricket over the last 10 years, if only for a while? Have India let downt their fans?

What golden age? Bronze, copper, tin, bismuth maybe, but golden? Gee, do you know how much gold changes hand at? India's renaissance has nothing to do with its batsmen. We languished throughout the 90s, when Tendulkar was at his peak. It is only now, with the fab four in decline, that India have began to frighten foreign fans into starting threads like these. The truth is of course, unless you have three world class pace bowlers in your ranks, you are not going to win many Test matches away from home. India has three or four, possibly five, and at least four of them are young. There are others waiting in the wings. The fab four will go on a couple of years, but will be replaced by a generation of batsmen who will be more aggressive, built in the Sehwag clone, will average in their forties, but will click collectively more often. There will be more contributions from the tail, and better fielding standards. In the next five years, India will overtake Australia as the number one side and will leave lesser sides in its wake. If you can't see the signs, you are not watching enough cricket. I have no anxieties about the senescence of the fab four at all. In fact, I would swap a couple of them right now for one more Sehwag.

[Dhondy]

This is what i think about IND's top 5 players Laxman- underachieved in terms of average but played some great innings and as a test batsman i rate him almost on par with M Yousuf. Ganguly- Couldn't play quality short bowling but was the king of ODIs. Sachin- Great batsman but a lot of times failed to see IND through. Dravid- Great batsman and a match winner but sometimes played too slow and stalled the team's progress. Kumble- wasn't a great bowler until 2002.

Ganguly was a king of lot else. He recently carried India from 61 for 4 to 623 against your side, featuring Shoaib. You don't average 43 away from home without learning to play short piched bowling. And your other criticisms are the equivalent of damning with faint praise, really. Like saying mother Teresa was a great human being, but had a big nose. If you are averaging 55 in Test cricket after 120-140 Tests, a few warts are gladly accepted as part of the package. Yousuf is no doubt a great batsman, but the Aussies will put Laxman above him every time, and they know what they are talking about. You can't average under 30 against the best side in the world (29.6 v Laxman's 50.6) , and have similar failings on the bouncy tracks of SA and reserve a page for yourself in history. In the two tours that matter, Laxman leaves Yousuf looking distinctly second grade (54 v 33 in Australia, 41 v 26 in SA).

[prince40]

Ganguly was a king of lot else. He recently carried India from 61 for 4 to 623 against your side, featuring Shoaib. You don't average 43 away from home without learning to play short piched bowling. And your other criticisms are the equivalent of damning with faint praise, really. Like saying mother Teresa was a great human being, but had a big nose. If you are averaging 55 in Test cricket after 120-140 Tests, a few warts are gladly accepted as part of the package. Yousuf is no doubt a great batsman, but the Aussies will put Laxman above him every time, and they know what they are talking about. You can't average under 30 against the best side in the world (29.6 v Laxman's 50.6) , and have similar failings on the bouncy tracks of SA and reserve a page for yourself in history. In the two tours that matter, Laxman leaves Yousuf looking distinctly second grade (54 v 33 in Australia, 41 v 26 in SA).

lol mate dont waste ur time comparing laxman to yousuf, laxman is streets ahead

[MundaPakistani]

Ganguly was a king of lot else. He recently carried India from 61 for 4 to 623 against your side, featuring Shoaib. You don't average 43 away from home without learning to play short piched bowling And your other criticisms are the equivalent of damning with faint praise, really. Like saying mother Teresa was a great human being, but had a big nose. If you are averaging 55 in Test cricket after 120-140 Tests, a few warts are gladly accepted as part of the package. Yousuf is no doubt a great batsman, but the Aussies will put Laxman above him every time, and they know what they are talking about. You can't average under 30 against the best side in the world (29.6 v Laxman's 50.6) , and have similar failings on the bouncy tracks of SA and reserve a page for yourself in history. In the two tours that matter, Laxman leaves Yousuf looking distinctly second grade (54 v 33 in Australia, 41 v 26 in SA).

come on man i am sure you know that you are presenting a weak argument so why even bother?

[Dhondy]

come on man i am sure you know that you are presenting a weak argument so why even bother?

Nope, it's you actually, except you don't realise it.

[MundaPakistani]

Nope' date=' it's you actually, except you don't realise it.[/quote'] Oh so my word vs yours...want to call in Proctor?:P I just find it really funny when you say things like "match featuring Shoaib" when you very well know that Ganguly faced no more than a dozen balls from Shoaib or " the two series that matter" as if the home matches or the series in ENG, NZ, WI etc don't mean anything.

[Bumper]

India's failure as a test team, is attributable both to its batsmen & bowlers. As much as I'd like to blame our bowlers for not being able to pick 20 wickets, it is more often our batsmen rather than bowlers who've been found wanting on away tours (esp in this decade) Bowling may have been our weak link in the 90s. For this simple reason, India never even competed against decent opponents away from home. But our bowling attack has been decent this decade. More often than not, they've put us in a decent position, where a good batting performance, would have seen us home. Be it NZ 2002 or WI in WI or SA in SA, our batsmen simply failed to stand up when it mattered (after our bowlers did their job). Even at home against strong opponents (BG trophy'04) our bowlers did their job, but our batsmen failed to show any fight. In 2007, we've had our batsmen hitting decent form, which coincided with some good performances from our pace attack. Its no surprise that it was one of our best years as a test nation.

[prince40]

India's failure as a test team, is attributable both to its batsmen & bowlers. As much as I'd like to blame our bowlers for not being able to pick 20 wickets, it is more often our batsmen rather than bowlers who've been found wanting on away tours (esp in this decade) Bowling may have been our weak link in the 90s. For this simple reason, India never even competed against decent opponents away from home. But our bowling attack has been decent this decade. More often than not, they've put us in a decent position, where a good batting performance, would have seen us home. Be it NZ 2002 or WI in WI or SA in SA, our batsmen simply failed to stand up when it mattered (after our bowlers did their job). Even at home against strong opponents (BG trophy'04) our bowlers did their job, but our batsmen failed to show any fight. In 2007, we've had our batsmen hitting decent form, which coincided with some good performances from our pace attack. Its no surprise that it was one of our best years as a test nation.

2003-2004 with our tours of pakistan and australia was far better