Captains who made things happen

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Come on, you cynical folks, Jayawardane, Fleming & Vaughan havent scored much with their own bat for a while. Doesnt that alone make them great captains ? What are u guys bitchin about ? And its understandable, why dada doesnt figure in the list. He has started scoring runs.

Good one bumper! :wtg: :hic:

[veer]

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Captains who made things happen

my vote is for captain of bhangra.. that guy has made things happen.. he brought quality to Cricket Videos and DVDs...

[Bumper]

Re: Captains who made things happen Jayawardane proves once again, how great a captain he is: Vs Scotland: DPMD Jayawardene st Smith b Rogers 8 11 0 0 72.72 When u are this good a captain, who can simply inspire others to perform, why bother scoring ?

[yoda]

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Jayawardane proves once again, how great a captain he is: Vs Scotland: DPMD Jayawardene st Smith b Rogers 8 11 0 0 72.72 When u are this good a captain, who can simply inspire others to perform, why bother scoring ?

On the other hand, historically, inspiring captains have done well against minnows.

[Lurker]

Re: Captains who made things happen I have often wondered why the scribes, Indian or otherwise, tend to forget the single most important strategy in LOI that has survived the day. It is not pinch hitting at number 3, or going over the top in first 15, its not powerplay or power substitute either. In my opinion what has truly survived the test of times(atleast for well over two decades) is the use of all-rounders in LOI. Players who can bowl 5 overs and score 20 runs. Of course the more the merrier. Guess what captain first brought this concept to the world? With players like Binny, Madan Lal, Amarnath, Shashtri, Kirti Azad - all capable of doing exactly that(5 overs or 20 runs) no wonder India won 1983(and then 1985 WSC on exact same strength). Somehow you shall never see Kapil getting credit for doing what, to me, remains the best strategy in one-dayers.

[head coach]

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I have often wondered why the scribes, Indian or otherwise, tend to forget the single most important strategy in LOI that has survived the day. It is not pinch hitting at number 3, or going over the top in first 15, its not powerplay or power substitute either. In my opinion what has truly survived the test of times(atleast for well over two decades) is the use of all-rounders in LOI. Players who can bowl 5 overs and score 20 runs. Of course the more the merrier. Guess what captain first brought this concept to the world? With players like Binny, Madan Lal, Amarnath, Shashtri, Kirti Azad - all capable of doing exactly that(5 overs or 20 runs) no wonder India won 1983(and then 1985 WSC on exact same strength). Somehow you shall never see Kapil getting credit for doing what, to me, remains the best strategy in one-dayers.

Lurker, In the current version of ODI when batsmen are going hoopla against any bowling attack, you need specialist bowlers to do the bowling than part-timers. Currently India doesnt have an allrounder in its rank only part time bowlers. You sure need part timers to give you a breakthrough sometimes but then the runs scored during those 5-10 overs could turn critical while chasing a 300 plus score. As you have seen many a times India felt the need of the 5th bowler in their attack when playing against good teams. At this time the strategy is to use a part timer to limit the deficiency caused by a specialist rather than using him as the 5th bowler.

[dial_100]

Re: Captains who made things happen I second that Lurk... I kinda hate to bring Gangs in that list. I have no comments on other captains tho.But we dont need a politician there who would motivate and all that crap. Imran, Kapil, Punter they all performed while giving gt8 victories to their resp teams. Where does Gangs fit here. Am I missing something here or I dont ustand cricket.? If Gangs is the one behind bringing up so called tallent (as if they were crap they wouldn't have made it this far if it were not for Gangs) in the indian team then why can;t he do the same thing to Sehwag and bring him back to his prime form. Thats because all these tallented players came during his time were meant to be good. There were other dozens who couldn't sustain for the very reason that they weren;t good enuff. Plz back it up with some stats. When I hear this crap that he brought new tallen to our team, Sehwag, Yuvi, Kaif and Zahir and what not. Yaar even Doda ganesh, Ankola, and all the crap made it this far. Only better sustain. If someone could motivate and get the best out of someone then he should motivate himself to raise his own game first. Why bother others when he himself was a poor performer. Now he is performing he is back. I love him as a player. Best player but not quite suitable as a captain. I want to see a perfomer there in that position. my 2 cents.

[chanakya]

Re: Captains who made things happen Can you imagine pathan getting as many chances he got if this had been before the year 2000? Can you imagine Harbajan getting back into the team when the selectors did not want him. (imagine ganguly getting in the team when More was selector :lmao: ) Dravid is our best player. Imagine dravid before he took to keeping in the ODI. To keep him in the team he ws entrusted with the gloves. As for 'Ankola' he was one of my favs. Could never forget how he set up Sachin in the India B vs India Seniors. 4 away going deliveries and then one coming in sharply. Sachin bowled through the gate. No ball though :lmao: He was good, pity for his ankle though.

[Predator_05]

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In my opinion what has truly survived the test of times(atleast for well over two decades) is the use of all-rounders in LOI. Players who can bowl 5 overs and score 20 runs. Of course the more the merrier. Guess what captain first brought this concept to the world? Somehow you shall never see Kapil getting credit for doing what, to me, remains the best strategy in one-dayers.

I wholeheartedly disagree. All rounders and the so called "bits and pieces" cricketers are only there to provide balance in a team - their presence alone doesn't strengthen a side significantly. Ultimately, all successful teams have had proper batting lineups - pinch-hitters at the top, accumulators in the middle and sloggers at the bottom. In the bowling; good combinations have been the recurring theme in all the great sides - two sets of bowlers each who complemented each other, or at the very least - could hold up an end and put pressure on the batsman. If a team has the right combination of specialists; it will be successful. All-rounders are more of a luxury. How many genuine all-rounders did the Australian ODI team have ? None. Watson hasn't done them any good yet, has he. The WI team of the 80's didn't have any all-rounders either.

[chanakya]

Re: Captains who made things happen ^^ WI in the 80s ? Viv Richards? true we remember his batting but he used to bowl spin as well. Dujon was a Wicket Keeper batsman. Bits and pieces players with ont bit being a specialist. like Kapil, Botham, Hadlee are always welcome.

[dial_100]

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Can you imagine pathan getting as many chances he got if this had been before the year 2000?

So what?? Pathan is what he is. No better nor worse. I agree to some extend that selectors were bad but tallent doesnt need support. It can sustain in any conditions. Gangs himself came back in the team not because some1 supported him but because he deserved to be in. He got back his form and in he comes. And so are all those, who YOU are pointing out. Gangs was just arnd to vote for them. As if gangs had mill choices back then. He didn't.

Can you imagine Harbajan getting back into the team when the selectors did not want him. (imagine ganguly getting in the team when More was selector :lmao: )

Listen, to this theory you can also take an example of dravid supporting viru. But can dravid take a credit if he goes on to score 100 in the next WC match. Heck not. Dravid knows who he is supporting. Tho low in form, he could be handy.

Dravid is our best player. Imagine dravid before he took to keeping in the ODI. To keep him in the team he ws entrusted with the gloves.

This is all crap man. We had such a poor team back then that they either had to accomodate, extra bolwer or a batsman. That has nothing to do with him taking the gloves to keep himself in the team. Obviously they didn't want a keeper who can't even hold the bat. Dravid was a big anchor and helped Gangs by giving him an option to pick an extra bolwer. See for yourself. Who in the world do you think Gangs could bring in if it were not for Dravid to take the gloves ??????? Gangs Sehwag SRT D Mongia +Dravid Yuvi Kaif Aga Zak Bhajji 1 Bolower You mean to say that Gangs had GUTS to drop Dravid ahead of Kaif and Mongia???

As for 'Ankola' he was one of my favs. Could never forget how he set up Sachin in the India B vs India Seniors. 4 away going deliveries and then one coming in sharply. Sachin bowled through the gate. No ball though :lmao: He was good, pity for his ankle though.

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