Denying Hindus space

[Guest dada_rocks]

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Columnists/Tarun_Vijay_Denying_Hindus_space/articleshow/3199843.cms The Amarnath land row in Kashmir has proved that if Muslim politicians of the valley feel strongly about something they can make the government bend and accept their demands. So it is hypocrisy when they complain in some summits in London that Delhi doesn't heed them or they have less power to rule the valley 'appropriately' and hence need more autonomy. They fought on the streets and denied a piece of land to Hindu pilgrims to be used for facilitating a night’s stay and food in that snowy area just for two months. The land was barren; not a single tree grows there and not one person was to be stationed there permanently. Yet the votaries of Kashmiriyat , who would announce day and night how keen they are to see Kashmiri Hindus return to their localities and how their religion stands for love, compassion and peace, stood firm, spreading lies to ensure that Hindus do not get an inch of space for a temporary shelter. The only state in India which has a separate flag and a special power bestowed on it by the constitution is Jammu and Kashmir. On an average it gets 10 times more grants compared to any other Indian state yet it complains a hundred times more about Delhi's discrimination and prejudice. The jawan who protects the people and the territory with his sweat and blood is not allowed to buy an inch of land in the state due to the constitutional provision of Article 370 which bars any Indian from settling down in Kashmir.

[Lurker]

The only state in India which has a separate flag and a special power bestowed on it by the constitution is Jammu and Kashmir. On an average it gets 10 times more grants compared to any other Indian state yet it complains a hundred times more about Delhi's discrimination and prejudice.

Completely concur. Every citizen of India, every square inch of Indian state should have same rights and obligations. No reason why anyone should be given preferential treatment. If they dont like it they can go **** themselves as far as I am concerned. That said, my thoughts on this whole nationwide BJP bandh is known as well. No reason why a guy in MP should get killed over the row.I would like all the political parties, specially BJP, to fight towards One Nation One Law thingy. High time we dropped all this J&k preferential drama. xx

[Guest dada_rocks]

Completely concur. Every citizen of India, every square inch of Indian state should have same rights and obligations. No reason why anyone should be given preferential treatment. If they dont like it they can go **** themselves as far as I am concerned. That said, my thoughts on this whole nationwide BJP bandh is known as well. No reason why a guy in MP should get killed over the row.I would like all the political parties, specially BJP, to fight towards One Nation One Law thingy. High time we dropped all this J&k preferential drama. xx

too bad people get kileld in protest even indepedence movement used to see unforutnate deatsh that doesn't mean one starts watering down whole independence movement.. I am all for protest

[Guest dada_rocks]

Watch the well-orchestrated denial of space to India since the Shaikhs and Muftis have ruled Kashmir. The region got its name from Rishi Kashyap. This legend is sought to be denied or underplayed so much that it's almost invisible now in any contemporary note on Kashmir's history. Kashmir's legacy of a citizen King, Lalitaditya, is denied and dustbinned and the language of the land, the base of any variety of Kashmiriyat , i.e. Kashmiri is denied a rightful place of honour in state affairs. Yes, the state language of Kashmir is not Kashmiri, but Urdu! Because the Shaikhs in their progressivism, reinforced by their leftist supporters, thought that Urdu belongs to Muslims and Jammu and Kashmir, being a Muslim-dominated area, must have Urdu as its state language. And yet they talk of some Kashmiriyat. They saw their Hindu neighbours being killed, raped and maimed and yet, not a single Muslim Kashmiri took out the kind of protest demonstrations which were done to protest the sanction of a piece of land for the Amarnath pilgrimage. And yet they say Kashmiriyat means love, peace and harmony. When Hindu temples were razed and deities desecrated, when orchards of Hindus were destroyed and posters pasted on their homes asking them to leave the valley sans their women, who were the Kashmiri Muslims who wrote even letters to editors denouncing such heinous acts? When massacres like Wandhama occurred and infants were shot dead by terrorists wielding AK-47s, the case was officially closed even before an inquiry could have been set up. Which Kashmiri Muslim leader stood firm and said ‘this is not done, we will ensure that till the culprits (who were all too well known) are brought to book, the case will remain open?’ Now, having forced the newly-appointed governor to take back the Amarnath Shrine Board's application for land, they say they will provide all help to pilgrims. They forgot that hundreds of Hindu pilgrims have died in snowstorms in previous years, mainly due to tortuous weather and inadequate facilities. When Hindus wanted a small shelter on a barren waste land just for the two months of the yatra season, they were denied. Can we have a better version of Kashmiriyat please? But when the matter of Haj comes up, they are provided every facility at government expense – yes, the Delhi government’s expense. Haj houses, increased quotas every year, ambulances, hospitals, doctors and free delegates for Mecca at government expense. Extra-large Haj terminals and extra-constitutional reservations in jobs and educational facilities. But space for Hindus is unacceptable. It’s not a question of Kashmir politics, but shows a mindset that grows on hate and intolerance. It's not an issue of denying Hindus a space in the valley or in the so called mainline media, but an attitude that denies India in pursuit of state facilities. It’s a cowardly attitude indeed. Otherwise why would the papers published in the valley or in the secular realm of Delhi use the inexplicable term “militants” for terrorists. Can anyone explain why terrorists are not called such, but are glorified as “militants”? Do we need to send them copies of Oxford dictionaries to understand the difference between a terror-striker and a fighter for a cause called militant? I have enough material to prove step by step, line by line how the people of Kashmir and the rest of India were fooled by Srinagar politicians on the Amaranth land row. But what will it prove in face of a decidedly hateful attitude against a particular community? The same Rainas, Bhatts, Kauls, the same blood and ancestors, same language and cultural lineage, same skin and race, and yet, just a little change in the way of worship makes one to hold rifles and the other to pray for mercy. Remember, the Kauravas too had denied space to their brothers. They told Krishna the Pandavas will not even get space equivalent to the tip of a needle. But the Pandavas ultimately made a mark because they were right.

[The Outsider]

How many of you know that Kashmir isn't the only state in India where out of state residents can't buy property?

[Lurker]

too bad people get kileld in protest even indepedence movement used to see unforutnate deatsh that doesn't mean one starts watering down whole independence movement.. I am all for protest

I can see a Politician make that kind of comment but I am always disappointed when educated people make the same. The violence in MP(or Maharastra) against Amarnath row is NOT remotely comparable to India's Independence Movement. The Independece Movement protests was against a Power that had forcibly occupied India and treated its citizens as a second class citizens. Modern Indian protest is against their very own establishment. If anything the right to protest comes from the very right that modern India gives to its citizens. More importantly in a British occupied India a protest was meant to throw spanner in British Government's way of running India, specially to affect its tax and related stuff. If Millions and Billions were lost it adversely affected British. Indeed this was the reason of Non-Cooperation movement etc where Indians would refuse to work, or buy British clothes and hence hurt British way of making money. Today's modern India protests hurts Indian ex-chequer if anything. I am all for protests but make it logical. I see no reason why Bihar should be bandh over Gujarat riots and I definitely dont see why 4 people get killed in MP over a J&K issue. xxx

[theguyinallblue]

First of all...get rid of article 370.. allow indians to buy land their...open industries..and settle down... just buying land and building homes will not settle the issue... we will have to make the life of people there...reasonably good..by giving them employment.. food..hospital and education... we will have to make slow and gradual progress... Lets cut the elephant into pieces and eat it one by one

[sandtest]

How many of you know that Kashmir isn't the only state in India where out of state residents can't buy property?

Only three states of India, (1) Jammu and Kashmir (2) Sikkim (3) Arunachal Pradesh where consitution is ammended to prohibit outsiders from buying property. It would be naive and ultra-liberal ideology if one compares J&K situation with Sikkim and Arunachal Pradesh just for subtle justification of injustice done on Hindus in J&K. The fact that to protect themselves from atrocities, Hindu pandits mass migrated from Kashmir valley should be reason enough for any person with limited intelligence to figure it out that --- Islamists successfully achieved what a country cannot achive by even war i.e. they successfully changed the demography of Kashmir by slowly but surely expelling Hindus, destroying their shrines, violently opposing any move to resettle Hindus. Add to that, Muslim appeasement of Congress prohibited other Hindus to re-migrate there by banning them to buy property. The only solution is scrapping article 370 and allowing Hindus from other states to mass migrate in Kashmir to nullify the effect of demographic change done by Islamists. If we learn any lesson from History we must know that any region where Islam achieves a "critical mass" immedaitely starts asking for seperation.....This is a serious matter of existence of Bharat. A cosmopolitan Kaswhmir with mixture of Hindus and Islamists will be better for stability of India as a country. A slowly declining Hindu population in Kashmir valley with eventually 100% Muslim Kashmir will definately seperate away from India --- whether p-secs deny it or accept it, that's the hard fact!

[Guest dada_rocks]

I can see a Politician make that kind of comment but I am always disappointed when educated people make the same. The violence in MP(or Maharastra) against Amarnath row is NOT remotely comparable to India's Independence Movement. The Independece Movement protests was against a Power that had forcibly occupied India and treated its citizens as a second class citizens. Modern Indian protest is against their very own establishment. If anything the right to protest comes from the very right that modern India gives to its citizens. More importantly in a British occupied India a protest was meant to throw spanner in British Government's way of running India, specially to affect its tax and related stuff. If Millions and Billions were lost it adversely affected British. Indeed this was the reason of Non-Cooperation movement etc where Indians would refuse to work, or buy British clothes and hence hurt British way of making money. Today's modern India protests hurts Indian ex-chequer if anything. I am all for protests but make it logical. I see no reason why Bihar should be bandh over Gujarat riots and I definitely dont see why 4 people get killed in MP over a J&K issue. xxx

As I said it's pan indian issue amarnath concerns whole India..

[Guest dada_rocks]

Only three states of India, (1) Jammu and Kashmir (2) Sikkim (3) Arunachal Pradesh where consitution is ammended to prohibit outsiders from buying property. It would be naive and ultra-liberal ideology if one compares J&K situation with Sikkim and Arunachal Pradesh just for subtle justification of injustice done on Hindus in J&K. The fact that to protect themselves from atrocities, Hindu pandits mass migrated from Kashmir valley should be reason enough for any person with limited intelligence to figure it out that --- Islamists successfully achieved what a country cannot achive by even war i.e. they successfully changed the demography of Kashmir by slowly but surely expelling Hindus, destroying their shrines, violently opposing any move to resettle Hindus. Add to that, Muslim appeasement of Congress prohibited other Hindus to re-migrate there by banning them to buy property. The only solution is scrapping article 370 and allowing Hindus from other states to mass migrate in Kashmir to nullify the effect of demographic change done by Islamists. If we learn any lesson from History we must know that any region where Islam achieves a "critical mass" immedaitely starts asking for seperation.....This is a serious matter of existence of Bharat.:giggle: A cosmopolitan Kaswhmir with mixture of Hindus and Islamists will be better for stability of India as a country. A slowly declining Hindu population in Kashmir valley with eventually 100% Muslim Kashmir will definately seperate away from India --- whether p-secs deny it or accept it, that's the hard fact!

My brother-in-law is posted in Arunachal yes you can't buy property there but noone is blowing any non-arunchali there.. If anything they are the most hospitable people.

[The Outsider]

Arre it was just a general question why are you fellows jumping on me - there are more states BTW.

[Guest dada_rocks]

Noone is jumping up and down just finding holes in that comparison

[The Outsider]

There was no comparison to begin with - it was more like a general trivia question.