Dhoni is a poor test match player!

[The Outsider]

That's a metaphorical expression and not to be taken literally I know what you meant and all I'm saying is that so far nobody can argue with his results - either as a captain or as a player.

Yeah, how can anyone argue against a guaranteed dropped catch or more in a test for the last year or so - don't make it large, make it special. Or his legendary batting where he averages less than 30 in half the countries.

[Ultimate_Game]

Ab rehne do Boss. Some people don't seem to know when things are going good.

I still remember thos dark days of 90s when 5 wkts down and Mongia walks in and signal the end of the game for us. Now we actually say "Don't worry, Dhoni has yet to come". I guess the saying "sometimes value of something precious is apparent only after you lose it" rings true in this case.

[Yoda-esque]

I still remember thos dark days of 90s when 5 wkts down and Mongia walks in and signal the end of the game for us. Now we actually say "Don't worry' date=' Dhoni has yet to come". I guess the saying "sometimes value of something precious is apparent only after you lose it" rings true in this case.[/quote'] Yep. When things go sour, only then do you realize how good you had it.

[Ultimate_Game]

Yeah' date=' how can anyone argue against a guaranteed dropped catch or more in a test for the last year or so - don't make it large, make it special. Or his legendary batting where he averages less than 30 in half the countries.[/quote'] Taking shots at him based on a bad game will not change facts - the guy still averages 38 with the bat having not lost a series in 3 years. As a wk and a no. 7 bat he has done what anyone can expect from him.

[The Outsider]

Taking shots at him based on a bad game will not change facts - the guy still averages 38 with the bat having not lost a series in 3 years. As a wk and a no. 7 bat he has done what anyone can expect from him.

If you want to take a bet on Dhoni's aukaad as a batsman - once Tendulkar, Dravid and Laxman retire and thereby exclude the FTB emperor of those centuries from 350/5 he will not average more than 35?

[The Outsider]

I still remember thos dark days of 90s when 5 wkts down and Mongia walks in and signal the end of the game for us. Now we actually say "Don't worry' date=' Dhoni has yet to come". I guess the saying "sometimes value of something precious is apparent only after you lose it" rings true in this case.[/quote'] Yeah like the Mongia who scored a half century on a minefield at Chennai against Akram, Waqar, and Saqlain. FTB will struggle to put bat to ball in such conditions.

[Ultimate_Game]

If you want to take a bet on Dhoni's aukaad as a batsman - once Tendulkar' date=' Dravid and Laxman retire and thereby exclude the FTB emperor of those centuries from 350/5 he will not average more than 35?[/quote'] We will see when that happens but what I did see was that in days gone by nobody even had the aukaad to score runs even from 350/5. If Dhoni can finish his Test career at an average of 38-40 and 6000 runs he would have done his job.

[Guest BossBhai]

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[Serani]

I have always maintained Dhoni is a mediocre test keeper. His glove work is amongst the worst in the world, I mean it really is something when Carlton Baugh looks a better keeper than you. And everyone knows my thoughts on his batting. He is the one batsman from India I really cant stand when he gets runs off his team mates good work and fails in the rare occasions India are in trouble.

[Ultimate_Game]

Yeah like the Mongia who scored a half century on a minefield at Chennai against Akram' date=' Waqar, and Saqlain. FTB will struggle to put bat to ball in such conditions.[/quote'] At the end of the day he still threw his wkt away and we lost the game. At least this is something I can rely on Dhoni - if he's set he won't throw the match away. Case in point the world cup final and Lords' Test in 2007.

[The Outsider]

We will see when that happens but what I did see was that in days gone by nobody even had the aukaad to score runs even from 350/5. If Dhoni can finish his Test career at an average of 38-40 and 6000 runs he would have done his job.

Too scared to bet on your hero without being given 350/5 foundations are you?

[Serani]

http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-india-2010/engine/match/463146.html

That was an absolute road after the rain had juiced up the first day.

[Ultimate_Game]

I have always maintained Dhoni is a mediocre test keeper. His glove work is amongst the worst in the world' date=' I mean it really is something when Carlton Baugh looks a better keeper than you. And everyone knows my thoughts on his batting. [b']He is the one batsman from India I really cant stand when he gets runs off his team mates good work and fails in the rare occasions India are in trouble.

Tell us something new :haha: I am sure you were not even able to stand him when he held aloft the WC Trophy :finger:

[The Outsider]

At the end of the day he still threw his wkt away and we lost the game. At least this is something I can rely on Dhoni - if he's set he won't throw the match away. Case in point the world cup final and Lords' Test in 2007.

Dhoni will never even get into a position than Mongia got us into that day, so the discussion is moot. :hysterical:

[The Outsider]

http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-india-2010/engine/match/463146.html

:hysterical::hysterical: Try watching the match on what a road that pitch was after it dried out.

[Ultimate_Game]

That was an absolute road after the rain had juiced up the first day.

So if Dhoni scores it's a Road... maybe the pitch changes its nature as soon as Dhoni comes out to bat :haha:

[Serani]

So if Dhoni scores it's a Road... maybe the pitch changes its nature as soon as Dhoni comes out to bat :haha:

No I remember watching the match as I had just returned home for christmas from uni, good test match but was an utter road after day 1.

[The Outsider]

So if Dhoni scores it's a Road... maybe the pitch changes its nature as soon as Dhoni comes out to bat :haha:

The scores at Chennai were consistently low - the only time people had problem batting at Pretoria was the first day. Not that I need to say it - anyone who is intellectually honest and watched both matches won't even dare compare the two pitches.

[Guest BossBhai]

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[Yoda-esque]

Dhoni will never even get into a position than Mongia got us into that day' date=' so the discussion is moot. :hysterical:[/quote'] Picking out a random stat and then hypothesizing on whether MSD could have played that knock.:giggle: