Holysmoke Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 He should be asked to clarify/explain his statements. This is like someone who's trying to blame anyone and everyone while under pressure because he knows the guilty party... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desi Cartman Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 for all we know , his mom could be .............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SachDan Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 That comment needs to be clarified fully.How can he make such a nonsense statement without any solid facts to support?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desi Cartman Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 who cares what he says .. his pm is *****ing his pants right now ..so it doesnt matter what he says Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fontaine Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 It's ridiculous statement because it flies against what Pak's own PM has said. At a time when Zakari has promised negotiation and help you have a senior official like this guy making these comments that reveal the "Who gives a sh*t?" attitude these people have. The guy knew he was on TV in the world's foremost news authority where Indian officials would no doubt be watching and pretty much said we don't care what you're PM Singh just said. Screw off! It's up to the Indian government now to respond or do they pull the same tired old routine of all show and no go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricketics Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 He is just pi$$ed of because everyone is pointing out at pakistan(rightfully) and hence this nasty comeback from pak's so called high commisioner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 Please compile your evidence here with sources. I keep hearing this and that on isolated threads. Lets see if there is any meat to this argument at all. 1) Nature of the Attack: By every account this attack had an amphibitious(started in water, ended on land). Eye witnesses have seen terrorists get down at Colaba docks and haul large rucksacks and then move onto the land. They had seperated in small groups in dingies after coming together in a Mother ship. Now the question becomes how can a group of people get on a Mother ship with load of cache and not get noticed? It would be stupid to think terrorists collected these arms ar Mumbai docks, then went into water and come back in the night. It would be equallly ridiculous to think people would load all this at Gujrat docks and move in Indian waters towards Mumbai and not get noticed. This also rules out Bangladesh involvement as I see no way how they could move a ship on West coast without Pakistani angle. There is only 1 group that can do it - Pakistan. In the very least they provided logisitics support to slip perpetrators, in the worse situation this entire epiosed was designed and executed from Pakistan. 2) Heavy weaponry: The terrorists had extremely powerful, and at the same time most effective weapons. The weapons were picked that could pierce bullet proof jackets in a close range fight, these could fire 900 plus rounds in a minute to do maximum casualty, allowed maximum impact without being heavy, could be rearmed quickly and also allowed them to carry a lot due to their low weightage. These are powerful, and extremely expensive, artillery that normal gangsters would not have access to...unless they are in cohort with an Army unit of sorts. The only three Armed forces in the region that could pass the weapons on to terrorists are India, Bangladesh and Pakistan. Ruling out India for obvious reasons the shak ki sui swings towards Pakistan and Bangladesh. 3) Training. Young or not, 25 or 15, these guys were heavily trained. THey knew exactly how to operate their weapons, how exactly to kill at close quarters(you dont shoot Mumbai's top encounter specialist without ground work), they knew how to survive for days without foods(almonds and water), knew how to do recce of places and set up strongpoints against the very best of what India can throw at them. Such training can not happen in an isolated area. It would have taken months, if not years, and would require extreme inputs by professionals. This effectively rules out home grown as well since there is no way Indians could train for months and not get noticed. 4) Language The language used is not Hindi, which rules out Muslims of Bihar-UP-Assam-Bengal area. It was Urdusque with Punjabi twang and Kashmiri accent. Considering this act happened in Mumbai where almost 125 people were killed, 300 plus injured, their accent, should have been Indian, would have been picked by a lot of people as reminding them of some place. It didnt. It was clearly foreign, and even those of us who have met people from different part of India it comes across as very much outside of India accent. At the same time it was a language Indians can understand and Pakistani can speak. This rules out Bangladesh again, and Muslim Jihadis that could possibly have been from Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Iraq etc etc. xxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 "The fact is that Pakistan itself is a victim of terrorism, the worst possible victim of terrorism, and it couldn't be a party to something that it wouldn't like to be done unto itself. You know, it could be Hindu extremists." Pakistanis should stop yapping about their terrorism problem and how it compares well with India. And the world, specially Western world, should take notice of that. Pakistan's terrorism is 100% home-grown. It is a direct result of extreme fervour for religion that was started by General Zia in 80s, mostly to defend his Martial law. Terrorism in Pakistan is designed by Pakistanis, trained by Pakistanis and executed by Pakistanis. Terrorism in India is NOT 100% Indian. There is always some sort if input by Pakistan. At times in terms of logistics, other times in form of training or weapons and many times even man power. The comparison would be valid if Hindu Shiv Sainiks joined Shia communities and killed Sunnis in Pakistan, which obviously doesnt happen. Whether the support from Pakistan happens with tacid support of Pakistani authorities or not is a moot point. In the end Indians die at the hands of people that have roots in Pakistan and hence it becomes Pakistans responsibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Tendulkar Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 Majority being NEUTRAL doesn't mean ****. It doesn't take MAJORITY OF 1+ BILLION muslims to wreck havoc on the rest of 6 billion people of the world. They just need a significant number who are willing to brainwash, significant number who are willing to take up arms, and REST OF THEM TO SHUT THE **** UP and LOOK THE OTHER WAY. No, no one is going to blindly bomb Pakistan, but the only reason is that they have nuclear bomb as a deterrent. Or else we would have gone in POK areas atleast 6 years ago. There is something inherently faulty the way ISLAM has been intepreted ALL OVER THE WORLD such that ANY CRITICAL MASS of muslims inhabiting anywhere has basically ****ED up that place. There is a reason almost ALL MUSLIM countries are failed democracies or kingdoms. These are the facts. Not that people will face up to this as they will simply bury their heads in the sand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shehezaada Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 1) Nature of the Attack: By every account this attack had an amphibitious(started in water, ended on land). Eye witnesses have seen terrorists get down at Colaba docks and haul large rucksacks and then move onto the land. They had seperated in small groups in dingies after coming together in a Mother ship. Now the question becomes how can a group of people get on a Mother ship with load of cache and not get noticed? It would be stupid to think terrorists collected these arms ar Mumbai docks, then went into water and come back in the night. It would be equallly ridiculous to think people would load all this at Gujrat docks and move in Indian waters towards Mumbai and not get noticed. This also rules out Bangladesh involvement as I see no way how they could move a ship on West coast without Pakistani angle. There is only 1 group that can do it - Pakistan. In the very least they provided logisitics support to slip perpetrators, in the worse situation this entire epiosed was designed and executed from Pakistan. 2) Heavy weaponry: The terrorists had extremely powerful, and at the same time most effective weapons. The weapons were picked that could pierce bullet proof jackets in a close range fight, these could fire 900 plus rounds in a minute to do maximum casualty, allowed maximum impact without being heavy, could be rearmed quickly and also allowed them to carry a lot due to their low weightage. These are powerful, and extremely expensive, artillery that normal gangsters would not have access to...unless they are in cohort with an Army unit of sorts. The only three Armed forces in the region that could pass the weapons on to terrorists are India, Bangladesh and Pakistan. Ruling out India for obvious reasons the shak ki sui swings towards Pakistan and Bangladesh. 3) Training. Young or not, 25 or 15, these guys were heavily trained. THey knew exactly how to operate their weapons, how exactly to kill at close quarters(you dont shoot Mumbai's top encounter specialist without ground work), they knew how to survive for days without foods(almonds and water), knew how to do recce of places and set up strongpoints against the very best of what India can throw at them. Such training can not happen in an isolated area. It would have taken months, if not years, and would require extreme inputs by professionals. This effectively rules out home grown as well since there is no way Indians could train for months and not get noticed. 4) Language The language used is not Hindi, which rules out Muslims of Bihar-UP-Assam-Bengal area. It was Urdusque with Punjabi twang and Kashmiri accent. Considering this act happened in Mumbai where almost 125 people were killed, 300 plus injured, their accent, should have been Indian, would have been picked by a lot of people as reminding them of some place. It didnt. It was clearly foreign, and even those of us who have met people from different part of India it comes across as very much outside of India accent. At the same time it was a language Indians can understand and Pakistani can speak. This rules out Bangladesh again, and Muslim Jihadis that could possibly have been from Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Iraq etc etc. xxx Excellent post. Thanks for making a summary...it was getting very hard to sift around in different forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fontaine Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 Pakistanis should stop yapping about their terrorism problem and how it compares well with India. And the world, specially Western world, should take notice of that. Pakistan's terrorism is 100% home-grown. It is a direct result of extreme fervour for religion that was started by General Zia in 80s, mostly to defend his Martial law. Terrorism in Pakistan is designed by Pakistanis, trained by Pakistanis and executed by Pakistanis. Terrorism in India is NOT 100% Indian. There is always some sort if input by Pakistan. At times in terms of logistics, other times in form of training or weapons and many times even man power. The comparison would be valid if Hindu Shiv Sainiks joined Shia communities and killed Sunnis in Pakistan, which obviously doesnt happen. Whether the support from Pakistan happens with tacid support of Pakistani authorities or not is a moot point. In the end Indians die at the hands of people that have roots in Pakistan and hence it becomes Pakistans responsibility. Absolutely. There might be an inherent numbness, cowardice or even apathy among Pak leaders like this high commissioner to wave off the atrocity that has occurred in Mumbai, but no self respecting human being with an ounce of moral fiber can sit idley by and watch these fools clown around with their own country's terrorism problems while it spills into our own. If Pakistan is incapable or unwilling to deal harshly and swiftly with these terrorist agencies and sources whether they be insurgents in the NorthWest or ISI sponsored militants, then the Indian government has a moral obligation not just to the people that have died but the people who don't want to further suffer from these lunatic fundamentalist *******s, to soak the ground with their blood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fontaine Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 At this point does solid 100% proof really matter? I say this. From all quarters of Pak leadership we've been hearing the same tired old line about how "Pakistan will cooperate but we have our own problems with terrorism and we're victims as well!" Well I say Indian forces move on and carry out precise air strikes against these terrorist camps starting from the NorthWest territories until we've washed the mountains clean of these scum. After all how can Pakistan complain? They should only be happy and grateful that we are helping them solve their terrorist problems? After all they are victims themselves right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Tendulkar Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 What about our home grown jihadis? Bury head in sand time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THX_1138 Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 i am sorry guys, i am to blame for this... wajid shamsul hasan and his pet goat had a steamy affair and i regrettably in hindsight put an end to it... these are just his pleas for help and attention ever since his lover was removed from his person... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Tendulkar Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 Its ironic everyone is condeming pak and demanding them to take action against their jihadis. When we are not willinmg to clamp down on and stop our home grown jihadis. Wev have been blitzed this years from home grown islamic jihadis and jack has been done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fontaine Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 Its ironic everyone is condeming pak and demanding them to take action against their jihadis. When we are not willinmg to clamp down on and stop our home grown jihadis. Wev have been blitzed this years from home grown islamic jihadis and jack has been done. Who says we are not willing to clamp down on fundamentalism in India? Just because a few moronic MPs run around garnering their support from local religious factions doesn't mean it'll be tolerated or condoned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Tendulkar Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 So what to do against our home grown jihadis who have left a trail of blood this year and seemingly have many ready to die for their ideology? All I hear is attack pak! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Tendulkar Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 Also reports of british born muslims being invloved. Living in UK I know the muslim uk mentality and they are very fundamental. As shown by London bombings being done by british born mislims with some getting training when going to pak. Even a few years back 2 UK born paks who went to university in UK, went to palistine and blew themselves up. Bizzare http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/World/Mumbai_attackers_may_be_Britons/articleshow/3770066.cms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricketics Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 The muslims in Uk are perhapz the most horrific in nature. They can be no better then the one in middle east. all they want is bloodshed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Tendulkar Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 At this moment in time we all and lets be honest, do not know who is behind it. We have theories and good ones at that. IMO these are pssibilities 1. Pak sponsored attack backed by ISI. Not pak govt who had no idea or control over these nutters 2. Pak terrorist organisation with no backing 3. 1 or 2 combined with help from indian muslims 4. Al-qaeda as similar attacks done in bali and istanbul. We are soft target so hit us. Western intelliogence had intercepts in previous weeks saying al-qaeda was planning a massive hit before obama got to office. 5. Home grown muslim fundamentalists did the whole thing maybe with support from aboraod. Similar to way they have blitzed India with terror attacks over last year. Any other possibilites? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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