Lurker Posted December 4, 2008 Posted December 4, 2008 ISI is the PAK's protective shield. Instead of throwing it away its better to fix the institution. I say yes Pakistan needs to throw ISI away. Can you tell me of one good thing that ISI has done in past 2 decades MP? A startling news I read today, not related to ISI. BADABER, Pakistan – Brothers Mushtaq and Ishaq Ali left the police force a month ago, terrified of dying as their colleagues had — beheaded by militants on a rutted village road before a shocked crowd. They went straight to the local Urdu-language newspaper to announce their resignation. They were too poor to pay for a personal ad, so the editor of The Daily Moon, Rasheed Iqbal, published a news story instead. He has run dozens like it. "They just want to get the word out to the Taliban that they are not with the police anymore so they won't kill them," said Iqbal. "They know that no one can protect them, and especially not their fellow policemen." The only way to save Pakistan is to think of extremism and insurgency in North West Frontier Province as a law enforcement issue," said Hassan Abbas, a South Asia expert at Harvard University's Belfer Center Project for Science. "Rather than buying more F-16s, Pakistan should invest in modernizing its police." http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081204/ap_on_re_as/as_pakistan_police_under_fire;_ylt=AlP3m9bcLFG3sporWYCtAg1s.aF4 Now I hail from the most lawless area of India, and even that appears to be paradise as compared to this. I mean forget beheading even if you killed a cop you are history, and thats in the lawless backwaters. So yes Pakistan should dismantle ISI and start pumping that money into its Police service. In the end whats the point of defending against foreign countries when the rot has essentially started from within? xxx
King Tendulkar Posted December 4, 2008 Posted December 4, 2008 MP has declared that Raj Thackeray should be main suspect in mumbai tragedy in politics forum!! Moderate my foot! This guy is a fundie
King Tendulkar Posted December 4, 2008 Posted December 4, 2008 :haha::haha::haha::haha:. There might be a fatwa coming your way for even admitting that. But as always, as is any Pakistanis birth right, they justify that by putting India as its equal. Which ofcourse, if BULL ***** So true. Its this total inferiority complex which is also part of the problem. ISI involved in terrorism so RAW is. You have massive army so we must have one even though cant afford it. Real inferiority problem
Desi Cartman Posted December 5, 2008 Posted December 5, 2008 by the way can someone provide a link to a good article where i can read about Samjhota express episode .. I missed the whole story
vadodaravictor Posted December 5, 2008 Posted December 5, 2008 I heard a very good radio program on Dawood Ibrahim by David Kaplan, Director for the Center for Public Integrity. This was aired on NPR's Fresh Air program today http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=97792722
Fontaine Posted December 5, 2008 Posted December 5, 2008 It doesn't matter any more really. Pakistan as a nation is largely irrelevant to the world. The only reason why Pakistan is in the news is because what the Taliban/Mujahideen are doing to it's people and how the word terrorism is synonimous with that country. Between the US pounding the crap out of the NW region, the fundamentalists killing citizens every week and the government being a puppet for the military, in a few years time Pakistan will be back in the dark ages like Afghanistan is.
Desi Cartman Posted December 5, 2008 Posted December 5, 2008 Pakistan will not hand over LeT founder to India: Front organisation ISLANABAD: The front organisation created by Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) founder Hafiz Mohammed Saeed has said the Pakistan government is not "so weak" that it will accept India's demand for the handing over of the 'jehadi' leader and ideologue in the wake of the Mumbai terror strikes. The Jamaat-ud-Dawah also claimed that it was not linked to terrorist activities in any way. The Pakistan government is "not yet so weak that it would hand over its own citizens to India", Jamaat spokesman Abdullah Muntazir told reporters at the organisation's 75-acre complex in Muridke, 30 kms from Lahore, while replying to a question on the status of Hafiz Saeed. Spokesmen and officials of the Jamaat have made public comments and interactions with the media in the wake of speculative reports in the media here that India was planning to strike the organisation's headquarters in the wake of the Mumbai terror attacks. Hafiz Saeed's name is included in a list of 20 criminals and terrorists whose handing over India has demanded from Pakistan after the Mumbai attacks. Yahya Mujahid, the chief spokesman of the Jamaat, said though the group offered "philosophical" support to militants in Jammu and Kashmir, it had condemned the Mumbai attacks and claimed that neither the Jamaat nor the LeT was involved in the incident. Indian and US security officials have linked the LeT to the attacks, believed to have been planned in Pakistan and carried out by Pakistan-based elements. Journalists from Western countries were yesterday allowed to visit the Jamaat headquarters and briefed by Muntazir. "We condemn India for putting (Hafiz Saeed's) name on the list of terrorists...." When Muntazir was asked by NBC News about Indian media reports that a top official with LeT's political wing may have been in contact with the terrorists who carried out the attack in Mumbai, he acknowledged that the official "is one of the central leaders" of the Jamaat but claimed that he "has nothing to do with such kind of acts". Indian authorities have said they have found the names of several high-ranking LeT members in the satellite phone used by one of the Mumbai attackers. Link Maybe the theory is right .. these groups want more tension so Pak pulls troops from Afgan border ...
milkman Posted December 5, 2008 Posted December 5, 2008 MP the face of moderate, self critical and intelligent Pakistan :hysterical:
Chandan Posted December 6, 2008 Posted December 6, 2008 will let Sriram know... as for the other LeT...well any one killing innocent people especially women or children be it from Mumabi, Islamabad, Orissa, Mardan,Florida, Karachi, Assam etc is a terrorist so i am not sure why you are asking that. I'm asking that if you and other Pakistanis understand that LeT is a terrorist organistion, there is enough proof with India shared by America as well that LeT is behind the attack, why is Pakistan govt not arresting its chief? In a recent interview to NDTV, Pak PM replied to this question about arresting the LeT chief as " Let India provide evidence then we'll see if we can arrest him or not". My question is why? If Pakistan also thinks that LeT is a terrorist org, why not put its chief and other members behind bars there? Secondly, I don't understand why Pakistani public is in mode of denial. It is not that their country or govt have been accused for the Mumbai terror attack! It is a terrorist org which has been blamed so why are Pak public defending that organisation?
Mr. Wicket Posted December 6, 2008 Posted December 6, 2008 I'm asking that if you and other Pakistanis understand that LeT is a terrorist organistion' date=' there is enough proof with India shared by America as well that LeT is behind the attack, why is Pakistan govt not arresting its chief?[/quote'] Because the Pakistan govt doesn't have that power now. The country is a mess. You have ISI causing problems, rogue splinter groups like LeT ''banned'' and operating under new names and committing atrocities, and the leaders of the country are only capable of looking on, shaking their heads and then offering sympathies and words of how peace is important, bonds must not be strained and how they will do what they can to help. It's anarchy, and what is really frightening is that we're just an assassination or two, or another military coup away from hell breaking loose.
Chandan Posted December 6, 2008 Posted December 6, 2008 Will be willing to alter my opinion if the official report by the FBI agrees with the Indian police. So you don't believe in the reports from media? Where did you read the "official Indian report" then, about LeT's involvement in Mumbai terror attack?
vroomfondel Posted December 6, 2008 Posted December 6, 2008 So you don't believe in the reports from media? Where did you read the "official Indian report" then, about LeT's involvement in Mumbai terror attack? please see cognitive dissonance post in the raj thackeray thread... a) nobody releases official FBI reports for general consumption. neither is there a official mumbai police report. nor will they ever exist. there were sat photos release of camps in PoK a while back, lots of testimony, pak id cards, passports etc. but all that can easily be termed "fake" by sufferers of the above psychological condition. b) the western media has caught on to the LeT thanks to US state dep's statements. weekly standard, nyt, wall st. journal, washington post, newsweek -- name it, they're talking about pakistan. c) a and b don't matter. because no evidence is ever enough. we have seen this for the last 15 years since the proxy war started.
King Tendulkar Posted December 6, 2008 Posted December 6, 2008 Secondly, I don't understand why Pakistani public is in mode of denial. It is not that their country or govt have been accused for the Mumbai terror attack! It is a terrorist org which has been blamed so why are Pak public defending that organisation? Exactly but they are desperate to defend LET and say nothing to do with them. Bizzare. You get the impression they almost back these guys
Guest dada_rocks Posted December 6, 2008 Posted December 6, 2008 They are defending that organization because they routinely donate to those organization and in their view they are pious muslims servign allah.. It's attack on their ideology and philosphy
King Tendulkar Posted December 6, 2008 Posted December 6, 2008 Taqiyya must also play a role in how paks/muslims think in these situations. It allows them to lie effortlessley with no seemin gulit or shame, as they feel they are protecting islam so can say any BS they want in protecting it. Taqiyya encourages and permits lieing in islam
King Tendulkar Posted December 6, 2008 Posted December 6, 2008 Taqiyya needs to be looked at very closely. As a muslim is permitted to even say he is not a muslim if it is furthering the cause of islam. So lies like islam is the religion of peace are perfectly permitted under islam.
Guest dada_rocks Posted December 6, 2008 Posted December 6, 2008 Taqiyya needs to be looked at very closely. As a muslim is permitted to even say he is not a muslim if it is furthering the cause of islam. So lies like islam is the religion of peace are perfectly permitted under islam. Somebody was exposing the great man.. He didn;t like it.. directs his followers to kill that particualr person. Followers asked him.. We can do that but we wil have to lie in order to trick him out his safe abode.. great man said. do whatever you have to.. this is where taqiah comes from .. Interpretataion is if you think your lie can serve the purpose of islam then go ahead it's not only not wrong but rather desirable..
King Tendulkar Posted December 8, 2008 Posted December 8, 2008 While you are on MP can you answer some questions posed in this thread which you myseriously failed to answer?
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