sandtest Posted January 5, 2009 Posted January 5, 2009 Most of us already know this, but still it's worth revisiting again. Majority of so called western educated/ non-resident Pakis present themselves as moderate face of Islam and will go to any length with arguements of (1) how evil Zionists are suppressing Muslims in palestine. (2) how evil Amreeka is suppressing Islam by occupying Muslim countries. (3) How evil Indian army is suppressing Muslims in Kashmir. etc. etc. Here I am not talking about merits or de-merits of above arguement of Pakis. But instead an attempt to show mirror to Pakis, how inconsistent they are in their morality preaching (if at all there is any). The reason for this is Pakistan's stand regarding Xinxiang province of China and their blind eye towards Uighur Muslims. Here is a quick summary how Coummunist China controls the Uighurs -- (1) Total government discouraging for going in Mosque for those who are working in government companies/engaged in any business involving government contractors. (2) Ban on open fasting during Ramadan month. No Fasting for government employees. (3) Ban on assembling for prayer/religious gatherings at places other than Government mosques. (4) ban on following any religious leader/Imam/prayer leader, other than those appointed by CCP in government controlled mosques. India has many times raised the voice against suppression of Tibetans and Uighurs by Chincommies in UN, while Pakistan and Pakistani people purposefully want to remain ignorant. Isn't this the hypocricy of highest order that they cry foul about Kashmir which has democratic government and literally Shariah ruling, past record of eliminating all Kashmiri Pandits from valley at the same time Pakis keep defeaning silence about Uighur-Muslims who are not even allowed to practice their pure Islam :giggle: If this is not the Taqqiyaa of highest order in practice here by so called "educated" "moderate" Pakistanis, then what it is?
suraj Posted January 5, 2009 Posted January 5, 2009 Come on man- China is our friend, they supply us weapons and help us against India why do you have to bring all this up; please bring religion only when we talk about kashmir, Israel and US
sandtest Posted January 5, 2009 Author Posted January 5, 2009 ^^:giggle: ..... but...but.... those Uighurs are also Muslims, No?? So much for Ummah brotherhood !:ohmy:
suraj Posted January 5, 2009 Posted January 5, 2009 ^^:giggle: ..... but...but.... those Uighurs are also Muslims, No?? So much for Ummah brotherhood !:ohmy: But the Koran clearly states that jehad has an exception against those who supply us
Guest dada_rocks Posted January 5, 2009 Posted January 5, 2009 any freaking nation who glporifies marauders like BIn qasim BIN zayed and Butuba bin muslims has no right to complain about any foreing atack.. pakis will be well adviced to go easy on that lest the legality of their exstance itself will be questioned....
sandtest Posted January 5, 2009 Author Posted January 5, 2009 So it's clear-- Pakis are in a Hudaibiya agreement with China. Wonder, what Hudaibiya agreement our Arundhati Suzzane Roys, Burkhaa Dutts have made....even their morality is limited only till bashing India...:giggle:
Guest dada_rocks Posted January 5, 2009 Posted January 5, 2009 Here is what is gong on in Baluchistan as we talk.. this is from dawn.com whole war is on there the fragile ceasefire between paki state and liberation armies of baluchistan has been called off No time to waste ATTACKS by militants in Balochistan continued even after the September 2008 ceasefire announced by three nationalist outfits. But the frequency of bomb blasts and rocket attacks did decrease post-September and there was less loss of life over the last four months of a particularly violent year. Earlier, in a gesture of goodwill by the new government, military operations in Balochistan were scaled down and some security checkpoints dismantled. The PPP’s February 2008 public apology for the “the atrocities and injustices committed” in Balochistan was also a welcome development. Clearly, some gains were made in the troubled province but there is a danger now that these could be reversed in the absence of a lasting political solution. The Baloch Republican Army, which along with the Balochistan Liberation Army and the Baloch Liberation Front was a party to the temporary truce, has reportedly pulled out of the ceasefire announced unilaterally by the three outlawed organisations. On Friday it claimed responsibility for an attack on a Quetta-bound train that left more than a dozen injured. Other incidents of violence also took place in the province the same day. On Sept 3 last year the federal information minister told the media that “Our government has repeatedly stressed that violence is not the answer to the problems of Balochistan, which are essentially political in nature.” This assessment is spot on but pacific words alone will not deliver the goods. True, some federal funds have been released to Balochistan and the province’s overdraft with the State Bank has been converted into a soft loan, a move that will result in significant annual savings. But a lot more needs to be done. For instance, the government has failed to deliver on its promise to promote provincial autonomy and give the federating units greater control over their resources by abolishing the concurrent legislative list. Then there is the lingering question mark over the National Finance Commission award, which Balochistan feels should take into account factors other than population. Among other common grievances is the allegation that questionable domiciles allow individuals from other provinces to secure jobs that, in accordance with the provincial quotas in state-run organisations, should go to people who are genuinely from Balochistan. Development work on a large scale remains the most pressing need, however. Balochistan cannot be pulled out of backwardness and grinding poverty without job creation and widespread infrastructure development. A more prosperous Balochistan could also keep outside forces at bay. The province needs schools, vocational training institutes, hospitals and basic healthcare facilities. Such investment is required on an urgent basis if the general discontent in the province, and the menace of militancy, is to be addressed meaningfully. Development projects were naturally difficult to initiate when the insurgency was raging but Balochistan is far more stable now. There is no time to waste.
sandtest Posted January 5, 2009 Author Posted January 5, 2009 ^^ Akbar Bugti, an aging old man and leader of Baluchis was murdered by terrorist paki army in broad day light at the orders of so called "moderate" Parvez Musharraf (as if there is anything like moderate!) by using fighter jets and cluster bombs. Lo and Behold! even if India tries to arrest ISI stooges in Hurriyat leadership like Gillani and Mirvaiz for inciting hatred, all media in Pakiland as well as Arundhati Roys in India will be let loose hounding Indian government!! Another case of shameless hypocrisy!
The Outsider Posted January 5, 2009 Posted January 5, 2009 I would like to see Pakistan provide "moral support" to the "freedom fighters" in Uyghur - if anything these people are genuinely oppressed unlike in Kashmir where the government has been providing quite a lot of aid and support. Pakistan will be bombed into stone age by China if they provide any "moral support" and will not get any more alms even if they provide genuine moral support to Uyghur.
kumble_rocks Posted January 5, 2009 Posted January 5, 2009 Good OP! Also , would like to add that Pakistan considers China as it's only true friend. Bunch of jokers these guys are ....
The Outsider Posted January 5, 2009 Posted January 5, 2009 Good OP! Also ' date=' would like to add that Pakistan considers China as it's only true friend. Bunch of jokers these guys are ....[/quote'] I ran a search on "Uyghur" and "Darfur" on that site and there is exactly one thread on each with 3 and 4 replies.
Macj Posted January 5, 2009 Posted January 5, 2009 Part of that reason is of course the obvious need by Pak to appease the ChiComms, but I have another take on this for your respective indulgence: India was once under Islamic influence and rule, thus by precedent is consecrated to Islam till eternity, at least thats the way Muslims see it. e.g. The Balkans, Al-Andalus etc. Kashmir is part of that territory that during the Partition by chance of history didnt go in their favor. Thus their seething rage. But here are some basic points that Pakis will NEVER accept, 1) The demographics Kashmir was altered *by* them - remember the hordes of Pasthu tribesmen? 2) The expulsion of Kashmiri Pandits by the aforementioned is meaningless to them. Forget the Uighurs, the Afghan Dari speaking refugees in Islamabad and other places are treated worse than dogs, even though their upkeep is paid for by UNCR (Refugees) not the Pak government. So much so that they actually pay the Pak police to allow schools to run unmolested not to mention harrassment of their women and old folk. Read about how they treat the Dravidian Brahui ppl, and this Zaid buffoon has the gall to talk abt Indian
MundaPakistani Posted January 5, 2009 Posted January 5, 2009 I ran a search on "Uyghur" and "Darfur" on that site and there is exactly one thread on each with 3 and 4 replies. No complaints against you because as expected you behaved quite rationally and spoke up against the celebrations going on in the other thread. but i would advise you to now search for killings of Christians/burning of churches in the Eastern and Southern states of India especially Orissa. Notice all of that is happening IN India....yet it hardly gets noticed on this forum I personally feel strongly about this issue because the people and politicians around me FIRMLY support the terrorists ahead of people who lost all their rights e.g read the world's biggest terrorist's comments or read how Obama made a complete U turn on this issue to get extra votes. If the US politicians and average citizens viewed the issue perhaps like Ron Paul does and look to genuinely solve it then i would probably NOT have felt so strongly about it. So its the support of terrorism(in some cases celebrations like here on ICF) and a continuation of 90 years of blunders that gets me going. ...and just for the record i did speak against the atrocities in Pakistan(on PP), ZIM and Tibet. If you look back at my posts i have even mentioned that its quite shameful of PAK(and IND) to have sporting relationships with ZIM.
Guest dada_rocks Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 No complaints against you because as expected you behaved quite rationally and spoke up against the celebrations going on in the other thread. but i would advise you to now search for killings of Christians/burning of churches in the Eastern and Southern states of India especially Orissa. Notice all of that is happening IN India....yet it hardly gets noticed on this forum I personally feel strongly about this issue because the people and politicians around me FIRMLY support the terrorists ahead of people who lost all their rights e.g read the world's biggest terrorist's comments or read how Obama made a complete U turn on this issue to get extra votes. If the US politicians and average citizens viewed the issue perhaps like Ron Paul does and look to genuinely solve it then i would probably NOT have felt so strongly about it. So its the support of terrorism(in some cases celebrations like here on ICF) and a continuation of 90 years of blunders that gets me going. ...and just for the record i did speak against the atrocities in Pakistan(on PP), ZIM and Tibet. If you look back at my posts i have even mentioned that its quite shameful of PAK(and IND) to have sporting relationships with ZIM. It got debated mate and we are talking about institutional crime being committed not some flared up riot.. compare apples with apples.. when people start poiting out bombing of shia mosque blowing up of chrstian chucrch bombing of ahmedi mosque or the good old MQM and PPP blood shed then incidents like orrisa wud be relevant.. we are talking here bigger issue PS: You guys have not copped anythign those people who celebrate massacre of hindus by namign a moutan range hindu-kush(massacre of hindus) those people who killed 80 million at least just in india will get justice delivered.. those people who celberate blood-thirsty monsters like Muhd Bin Qasim will get justice delivered sooner or later..
Desi Cartman Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 BB / DR , Any good links to read up on the Baluchistan history and the current issues ?
sandtest Posted January 6, 2009 Author Posted January 6, 2009 ^^ Balochvoice is the one I know. http://www.balochvoice.com/index_a.html
Guest dada_rocks Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 ^^ Balochvoice is the one I know. http://www.balochvoice.com/index_a.html it's a good one.. but one site may not give full picture
Desi Cartman Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 ^^ Balochvoice is the one I know. http://www.balochvoice.com/index_a.html Thanks ... History
Guest dada_rocks Posted January 7, 2009 Posted January 7, 2009 Here si the rough history. baluchistan was oen of those princely states and quite potent one I might add particualrlry the Khan of Kalat. At the time of indpendence Khan of Kalat refused to join Pakistan and wanted indepdence Jinnah saheb didn't like it and took it forcibly. Khan of kalat fled to afghnaistan and since then the battle is ON..Baluchistan is the largest privince areawise sources the kitchen fuel to rest fo the pakistan yet gaswas made available to Quetta later than punjab that too after much fight. it's commonplace to hear song of baluchistan azaadin in public bus as per BOLTA PAKISTAN Aaj Tv popular program with Mushtaq Minhan and Nusrat javed.. BTW that place called Guador was given to Oman for use as somekind of goodwill like pakistanis have given part of POK to china...... It was bought back by pakistan on later date from oman.
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