triam Posted April 13, 2009 Posted April 13, 2009 http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/4389164.cms LUCKNOW: The Samajwadi Party has vowed to work against the use of English in education and computers in new projects. While these are pitched as SP election manifesto Mulayam Singh Yadav, flanked by Amar Singh and Sanjay Dutt, releasing party's election manifesto. (PTI Photo) populist measures — abolition of "expensive education in English" would allegedly create a level playing field for all and less use of computers would generate jobs — the steps are being viewed with alarm as they have the potential to drag back the country by years. Releasing the party manifesto here on Saturday, SP supremo Mulayam Singh Yadav dwelt on his pet anti-English theme. The manifesto says that if a new government were to be formed with SP's support , it would work to abolish schools providing expensive education in English — in other words, virtually every public school regarded among the country's top schools. Interestingly, Mulayam Singh's two sons have gone to such schools. While speaking to reporters, Mulayam Singh said he was against "the compulsory use of English language in education, administration and judiciary". He said SP favoured the national language, Hindi, and regional languages. To give his anti-top grade education a populist spin, he said his party was in favour of free education for girls until graduation. On computers, Mulayam said their use was leading to unemployment. He added that wherever work can be done by hand, computers would be abolished. As everything was done by hand until the advent of computers, the step, if taken to its logical conclusion, could lead to the scrapping of almost all computers. Later, it was clarified that less use of computers would be enforced only in new projects — again, something that could put new projects at a disadvantage vis-a-vis older ones. Not just these, the SP has also come out against mechanized farming, arguing against agricultural machines. Harvesters, Mulayam said, would snatch jobs from poor labourers during the harvesting season which, he claimed, gave employment for six months. The manifesto adds that after tractors were introduced, the bovine population has been coming down. Instead of ploughing land, bullocks and calves were going to slaughter houses. Although SP has had close ties with the corporate world, its manifesto advocates bringing corporate salaries on par with government pay. Taking a leaf from the Left, Mulayam said at present, the economy was benefiting just a handful who had control over capital. He also opposed forward trading and said if a government was formed with SP's support, it would work to cut back if not abolish stock trading and mall culture. The SP manifesto released on Saturday has pledged free agriculture facilities to farmers apart from loan at the rate of 4%, no forced acquisition of land and steep hike in minimum support price of crops. And though Mulayam supported the nuclear deal, his manifesto has opposed American dominance in UN. Advocating friendly ties with neighbours, Mulayam said, "If a government comes to power with our support, we will ensure that action is taken against communal powers and attack terrorism at its roots". hahaha, these morons
veeru_rocks Posted April 13, 2009 Posted April 13, 2009 You would not belive it but once Samajawadi party gave the clarion call of returning to old days of open cheating in matric examinsations and surprise surprise Bjp which had brought tough law agaisnt cheating lost and SP won. UP ka polticis akdam ghatia ho chala hai.. Upwalon maaf kar do hamen
Lurker Posted April 13, 2009 Posted April 13, 2009 Computer ka issue bakwaas hai lekin I am all for strengthening Hindi in India. The only political party that has remotely talked about this is Samajwaadi Party and for me thats one good thing they have done. My cynical self tells me its a gimmick considering how most of these leaders kid study in English convents, but atleast they made that a point in their manifesto.
umpire Posted April 14, 2009 Posted April 14, 2009 well, strengthening Hindi how?? making sure English is not used. Here is Gujarat, Gujarati is compulsory for kids, they have to take it until 9th and so is hindi. Gujarati is used in legal documents etc... Someone who wants to study further, go to Engg. MCA or even MBA, CA etc. they have to learn English at some point. I laud Gujarat Government initiative to teach English (Cambridge level) almost free of cost all over Gujarat. They don't have good teachers, but their effort is still good. I run a company and most of the guys/gals I have are from Gujarati Medium and work they do requires English Knowledge. I am trying my best to atleast help them learn English, because without that they can't move ahead.
Lurker Posted April 14, 2009 Posted April 14, 2009 well, strengthening Hindi how?? making sure English is not used. Here is Gujarat, Gujarati is compulsory for kids, they have to take it until 9th and so is hindi. Gujarati is used in legal documents etc... Someone who wants to study further, go to Engg. MCA or even MBA, CA etc. they have to learn English at some point. I laud Gujarat Government initiative to teach English (Cambridge level) almost free of cost all over Gujarat. They don't have good teachers, but their effort is still good. I run a company and most of the guys/gals I have are from Gujarati Medium and work they do requires English Knowledge. I am trying my best to atleast help them learn English, because without that they can't move ahead. There is a vast difference in getting acquianted with a language at "some point" and making that language your medium of communication. I could see your point of view if you interacted with rest of the citizens of your country in an Indian lingo. It doesnt have to be Hindi it could very well be Gujrati but pray do tell me how many countries, specially country with size and history like ours, uses a foreign language as its main mode of communication??? Language-chauvnisim is lame.. How is this language-chauvinism?? Its not that someone is suggesting Hindi is better than Punjabi? All that is being said is it would be awesome if Indians could communicate in an "Indian" language.
veeru_rocks Posted April 14, 2009 Posted April 14, 2009 Indians are communicating in their respective lanaguage and also in english I don't see any problem with that. Not everyone is going to be Ramdhari Singh Dinkar. Instead of making a song and dance about it all mulayam needed to do is quietly increase the budget of hindi deptt in all universities that's all. This nonsense of no english hindi only no computer is bunlkum. That's what Mulayam is basically doing. Hindi is not dying yes Sanskrit is and somethign needs to be doen about it. When I see otherwise good educated even in bihar board unable to speak even a single line of sanskrit or read for that matter it pains me.
Lurker Posted April 14, 2009 Posted April 14, 2009 Indians are communicating in their respective lanaguage and also in english I don't see any problem with that. Not everyone is going to be Ramdhari Singh Dinkar. Instead of making a song and dance about it all mulayam needed to do is quietly increase the budget of hindi deptt in all universities that's all. This nonsense of no english hindi only no computer is bunlkum. That's what Mulayam is basically doing. Hindi is not dying yes Sanskrit is and somethign needs to be doen about it. When I see otherwise good educated even in bihar board unable to speak even a single line of sanskrit or read for that matter it pains me. Wah!! What a brilliant logic. We should "quietly" increase the budget. Is Hindi dying? Of course not. Is Hindi dwindling? For sure. When was the last time you ran into 2 Indians communicating in pure Hindi?? If hrishikesh mukherjee decided to make Chupke Chupke today no-one will understand it. Atleast people could laugh at it at the time simply because they could grasp the meaning. Try sitting with a yuppie and see what is more comfortable at - Hindi (or for that matter any vernacular) or English, you shall get your answer. Quietly my a$s.
umpire Posted April 14, 2009 Posted April 14, 2009 >I could see your point of view if you interacted with rest of the citizens of your country in an Indian lingo. It doesnt have to be Hindi it could very well be Gujrati but pray do tell me how many countries, specially country with size and history like ours, uses a foreign language as its main mode of communication??? Dude, hindi is compulsory in the schools even in Gujarati medium and English Medium schools. Lot of people go for special hindi tests here. I really don't see what Mulyam is trying to do.
veeru_rocks Posted April 14, 2009 Posted April 14, 2009 Wah!! What a brilliant logic. We should "quietly" increase the budget. Is Hindi dying? Of course not. Is Hindi dwindling? For sure. When was the last time you ran into 2 Indians communicating in pure Hindi?? If hrishikesh mukherjee decided to make Chupke Chupke today no-one will understand it. Atleast people could laugh at it at the time simply because they could grasp the meaning. Try sitting with a yuppie and see what is more comfortable at - Hindi (or for that matter any vernacular) or English, you shall get your answer. Quietly my a. YOu are imagnign things real problem is with sanskrit and i am sure even you don;t know a thing about sanskrit.. that langauge needs help hindi is just fine.. it'snt abotu which language one is more confortable with it;s abotu whether one knows hindi or not and I am sure people know..
umpire Posted April 14, 2009 Posted April 14, 2009 >If hrishikesh mukherjee decided to make Chupke Chupke today no-one will understand it. Atleast people could laugh at it at the time simply because they could grasp the meaning. Try sitting with a yuppie and see what is more comfortable at - Hindi (or for that matter any vernacular) or English, you shall get your answer. why emphasis on pure hindi??
Lurker Posted April 14, 2009 Posted April 14, 2009 Dude, hindi is compulsory in the schools even in Gujarati medium and English Medium schools. Lot of people go for special hindi tests here. I really don't see what Mulyam is trying to do. Why are you going by Gujrati example?? Most Gujjus I know, know Hindi regardless of whether they were taught that in school. Lets expand the notion to Tamilians, Mallus and many others and then you shall start seeing the point. Marathis, Punjabis, Gujjus and even Bengalis have a good working knowledge of Hindi. This is not because the language is same as Hindi (although there are certain similarities) but simply because these states have a lot of Hindi population and hence most people have a good working knowledge. I am yet to meet a Gujju who did not know Hindi, even those who were born abroad. xxx
Lurker Posted April 14, 2009 Posted April 14, 2009 YOu are imagnign things real problem is with sanskrit and i am sure even you don;t know a thing about sanskrit.. that langauge needs help hindi is just fine.. it'snt abotu which language one is more confortable with it;s abotu whether one knows hindi or not and I am sure people know.. Yes there is problem with Sanskrit but if we can not get a unanimous support for Hindi you are not gonna half that much support for Sanskrit. Thats a simple fact. Prove me different.
umpire Posted April 14, 2009 Posted April 14, 2009 >Why are you going by Gujrati example?? Most Gujjus I know, know Hindi regardless of whether they were taught that in school. Lets expand the notion to Tamilians, Mallus and many others and then you shall start seeing the point. yes true, but what will Mulayam do about it? Tamilians and Mallus will never speak hindi.
umpire Posted April 14, 2009 Posted April 14, 2009 >He said SP favoured the national language, Hindi, and regional languages. read the article, Mulayamji is only against English.
Lurker Posted April 14, 2009 Posted April 14, 2009 yes true, but what will Mulayam do about it? Tamilians and Mallus will never speak hindi. Shouldnt that be a discussion that should happen?? Why would non-Hindi population not want to communicate with their Hindi brothers? Again Hindi is just an example, you could easily make a case for Punjabi and I will stand by that too.
fineleg Posted April 15, 2009 Posted April 15, 2009 Lurker, No one language is designated as a single national language of India. There are official languages and states have their own official languages. English is also an official language designated as such in India. Hence different regions have their mother tongue and are comfortable in that and have English as a mode for cross state communication as needed. Nothing wrong with that.
umpire Posted April 15, 2009 Posted April 15, 2009 >Shouldnt that be a discussion that should happen?? Why would non-Hindi population not want to communicate with their Hindi brothers? Again Hindi is just an example, you could easily make a case for Punjabi and I will stand by that too. no discussion is about Mulayambabu's comment against English.
Lurker Posted April 15, 2009 Posted April 15, 2009 Lurker, No one language is designated as a single national language of India. There are official languages and states have their own official languages. English is also an official language designated as such in India. Hence different regions have their mother tongue and are comfortable in that and have English as a mode for cross state communication as needed. Nothing wrong with that. And I am sure you know why that is. The moment Hindi would be declared as National language, you will have the likes of Karunanidhis burning Indian Constitution on Marina beach. So this is a classic chicken and egg situation - Dont declare any 1 National Language to avoid issues, and since there is no National language there is no implication to follow 1. I dont quite see the merit of that argument. This whole communicating via English is a hogwash. Sure you would be able to talk with an IT folk but try moving in your country and communicate with fellow citizens, you would be surprised how few know it. In fact this is one important reason why Indians do not travel within India. How would a Bihari communicate in Trivandrum?? You travel to my city and unless you run into an English educated chap you will not be able to buy a kilo of wheat flour for your family. Which other country works this way? xxx
Lurker Posted April 15, 2009 Posted April 15, 2009 why emphasis on pure hindi?? There is no emphasis on pure Hindi as such. Taking further Hrishikesh Mukherjee's Chupke Chupke, the movie used some hardcore Hindi word like Dhoom shakat Vishramalaya (Railway Retiring Room). Of course that was meant in jest to mock a character (Om Prakash) who had a penchant for pure Hindi. However other stuff like Vanaspti Shastra were not exactly done for mocking. People would talk like that. Try telling Vanaspati Shastra to a young yuppie crowd today and see how they follow it. xxx
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