All time India-Pakistan 11

[CC1981]

Re: All time India-Pakistan 11 In ODIs, i will take Ganguly over Anwar. I think for an all-subcontinent XI, it gotto be Sachin-Ganguly or Sachin-Jayasurya opening. Saeed i think was much worse than Ganguly against teams like the OZ and the Saffies. Plus Gangoo brings some excellent captaincy nuous and he used to have the golden arm-atleast in ODIs- where his part-time bowling often resulted in key wickets.

[Guest dada_rocks]

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I would take Anwar for now because Sehwag's game seems to have fallen apart over the last year and will have to see if he can recover.

this is a valid critic hope sehwag finds his mojo back.. Btw those who keep pushing name of Hanif Mohammad let me give u list of people who were left out. IMHO just because across the border there is scarcity of genuine batsmen his name keeps coming up.. Vijaya Hazare average 47.65 http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/29290.html Vijay meerchant average 47.72 http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/30996.html Vijay manjrekar avg 39.12 http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/30936.html Gundapa Vishwanath 41.93 http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/35712.html Dilip Vengsarkar 42 http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/35654.html Mod azharuddin 45 http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/26329.html Amaranath 42.5 http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/26225.html Navjot Siddhu; 42. http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/india/content/player/34028.html Sehwag, 49.46 http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/india/content/player/35263.html Hanif Mohd 43.98 http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/pakistan/content/player/40373.html

[Guest dada_rocks]

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In ODIs, i will take Ganguly over Anwar. I think for an all-subcontinent XI, it gotto be Sachin-Ganguly or Sachin-Jayasurya opening. Saeed i think was much worse than Ganguly against teams like the OZ and the Saffies. Plus Gangoo brings some excellent captaincy nuous and he used to have the golden arm-atleast in ODIs- where his part-time bowling often resulted in key wickets.

:wtg:

[Predator_05]

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In ODIs, i will take Ganguly over Anwar. I think for an all-subcontinent XI, it gotto be Sachin-Ganguly or Sachin-Jayasurya opening. Saeed i think was much worse than Ganguly against teams like the OZ and the Saffies. Plus Gangoo brings some excellent captaincy nuous and he used to have the golden arm-atleast in ODIs- where his part-time bowling often resulted in key wickets.

In ODI's, Ganguly is one of the first names on the team sheet. No doubt about that. Only a fool would ignore the weight of 10,000 runs and 22 hundreds. In Tests, i'd take Anwar over Sehwag, Jayasuriya, Sidhu, Sohail, Patapattu, anyday. He scored runs at a fast pace and delivered against Australia. His record against the Aussies is stellar - 886 runs @ 59.06. In Australia he averages 47. His failures vs SA can be overlooked, although he did score hundreds against them. Another factor which makes me gravitate towards Anwar was his elegant style. He was a very classy batsman and played attacking strokes without looking ugly. As silly as it may sound, aesthethics actually count in my book. I rate his 188 as the best innings i've ever seen by any foreigner on Indian soil. For me, it's a very easy choice. Sehwag scored against comparitively weaker bowling attacks. Some of the best bowling attacks he faced were the Ashes winning Englishmen in March of '06 and the South Africans in SA last winter. He failed against both of them. Although to his credit, he did score plenty against the mighty Australian bowling attack in the '04 series at home, but that is the ONLY instance i can think of.

[Lurker]

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this is a valid critic hope sehwag finds his mojo back.. Btw those who keep pushing name of Hanif Mohammad let me give u list of people who were left out. IMHO just because across the border there is scarcity of genuine batsmen his name keeps coming up.. Vijaya Hazare average 47.65 http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/29290.html Vijay meerchant average 47.72 http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/30996.html Vijay manjrekar avg 39.12 http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/30936.html Gundapa Vishwanath 41.93 http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/35712.html Dilip Vengsarkar 42 http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/35654.html Mod azharuddin 45 http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/26329.html Amaranath 42.5 http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/26225.html Navjot Siddhu; 42. http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/india/content/player/34028.html Sehwag, 49.46 http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/india/content/player/35263.html Hanif Mohd 43.98 http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/pakistan/content/player/40373.html

Sheer ignorance. Hanif Mohammed was one of the greatest batsman from the Indian sub-continent. To suggest his picking is based on "lack" of batsman across the border is nothing but sheer ignorance. For starters what kind of comparison is to compare Hanif Mohammed with Mohinder Amarnath(or Azharuddin or Vengsarkar)? The former was an opener, the latter a middle order batsman. Secondly to compare players like Vijay Hazare with Hanif when the former has played almost half the test matches is a ridiculous preposition. Again Hazare played at number 4 as did Vijay Manjrekar. Coming now to Hanif Mohammed, the gentleman was a role-model for many an Indian batsman while growing up(and that may come as a rather unpleasant surprise to some posters here). Even though Sunny hailed from Mumbai, a city with as glorious a cricket history as any, he was greatly inspired by Hanif Mohammed. While growing up it was drilled into him(mostly by his uncle Madhav Mantri) that when Hanif played at Brabourne Stadium(Bombay) he would present such a straight bat that the "thok"(sound of ball hitting the middle of the bat) would go as far as South Bombay. Hanif Mohammed is the same guy who scored triple century in West Indies and also ended with 499 in a first class game, a score later bettered by Brian Lara. So much was admiration/fear of Hanif that on a trip to India while Pakistani team was travelling by train(no aeroplane back then of course), he was mobbed by Indian cricket fans and would later on realize that while the hand shakes were on someone had slipped a blade and cut the palm of his hands so he couldnt bat, or atleast bat at his best, against India!! xxxx

[Sooda]

Re: All time India-Pakistan 11 Hanif Mohammed was one of the all time great Pak bats and should open with Gavaskar...scored a lot of runs when batting wasn't easy and technically very sound- more than you can say for Viru and Anwar You can see him and Sunny being about 100/0 at the end of 90 ovs of play And I do think Miandad was the better FTB ...than Inzy i.e

[Guest dada_rocks]

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this is a valid critic hope sehwag finds his mojo back.. Btw those who keep pushing name of Hanif Mohammad let me give u list of people who were left out. IMHO just because across the border there is scarcity of genuine batsmen his name keeps coming up.. Vijaya Hazare average 47.65 http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/29290.html Vijay meerchant average 47.72 http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/30996.html Vijay manjrekar avg 39.12 http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/30936.html Gundapa Vishwanath 41.93 http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/35712.html Dilip Vengsarkar 42 http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/35654.html Mod azharuddin 45 http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/26329.html Amaranath 42.5 http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/26225.html Navjot Siddhu; 42. http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/india/content/player/34028.html Sehwag, 49.46 http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/india/content/player/35263.html Hanif Mohd 43.98 http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/pakistan/content/player/40373.html

Sheer ignorance. Hanif Mohammed was one of the greatest batsman from the Indian sub-continent. To suggest his picking is based on "lack" of batsman across the border is nothing but sheer ignorance. For starters what kind of comparison is to compare Hanif Mohammed with Mohinder Amarnath(or Azharuddin or Vengsarkar)? The former was an opener, the latter a middle order batsman. Secondly to compare players like Vijay Hazare with Hanif when the former has played almost half the test matches is a ridiculous preposition. Again Hazare played at number 4 as did Vijay Manjrekar. Coming now to Hanif Mohammed, the gentleman was a role-model for many an Indian batsman while growing up(and that may come as a rather unpleasant surprise to some posters here). Even though Sunny hailed from Mumbai, a city with as glorious a cricket history as any, he was greatly inspired by Hanif Mohammed. While growing up it was drilled into him(mostly by his uncle Madhav Mantri) that when Hanif played at Brabourne Stadium(Bombay) he would present such a straight bat that the "thok"(sound of ball hitting the middle of the bat) would go as far as South Bombay. Hanif Mohammed is the same guy who scored triple century in West Indies and also ended with 499 in a first class game, a score later bettered by Brian Lara. So much was admiration/fear of Hanif that on a trip to India while Pakistani team was travelling by train(no aeroplane back then of course), he was mobbed by Indian cricket fans and would later on realize that while the hand shakes were on someone had slipped a blade and cut the palm of his hands so he couldnt bat, or atleast bat at his best, against India!! xxxx

Emotional outburst , those plaudit galores would have refelcted in score. And the way u blwo away Hajare saying he played half number of test matches same can be done to hanif Mohd too in comparison to modern luminaries. In my opinion less number of matches has to do with frequency of test matches being organized those days. I could also point out the era in which he played where no fielder considerd worth its while to dirty their whites as opposed to professional era of later years. Everybody has favouritte and wax eloquents in their support but ultimately things come down to who achieved what. I usually pick up batsmen overall not slot wise. Even in opening slot he will have to go past sehwag.

[Guest dada_rocks]

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Sehwag scored against comparitively weaker bowling attacks. Some of the best bowling attacks he faced were the Ashes winning Englishmen in March of '06 and the South Africans in SA last winter. He failed against both of them. Although to his credit, he did score plenty against the mighty Australian bowling attack in the '04 series at home, but that is the ONLY instance i can think of.

Don't let his recent loss of form clog ur judgement.

[Lurker]

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I usually pick up batsmen overall not slot wise. Even in opening slot he will have to go past sehwag.

That pretty much sums your knowledge, or lack thereof. xxx

[Predator_05]

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Sehwag scored against comparitively weaker bowling attacks. Some of the best bowling attacks he faced were the Ashes winning Englishmen in March of '06 and the South Africans in SA last winter. He failed against both of them. Although to his credit' date=' he did score plenty against the mighty Australian bowling attack in the '04 series at home, but that is the ONLY instance i can think of.[/quote'] Don't let his recent loss of form clog ur judgement.

What clogged judgement ? The guy hasn't always lived up to expectations when confronted by GOOD bowling attacks. This is a fact, you can't deny it outright.

[CC1981]

Re: All time India-Pakistan 11 anyone who thinks Sehwag is a better opener than Hanif knows very little cricket IMO. Underrating Hanif is not just an Indian thing- i've seen too many Pakistanis prefer Majid Khan or Anwar to Hanif but that is just nonsense. Hanif is a bonafide contender for opening slot though personally, i might consider Vijay Merchant ahead of him.

[The Outsider]

Re: All time India-Pakistan 11 My reason for discounting Hanif over Anwar was not his ability, which one to one is more but I would rather have one attacking batsman with a defensive one than defensive batsmen at both ends.

[Predator_05]

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My reason for discounting Hanif over Anwar was not his ability' date=' which one to one is more but I would rather have one attacking batsman with a defensive one than defensive batsmen at both ends.[/quote'] Exactly. Who the hell wants two dullards playing out maiden after maiden and then finishing on 50/0 at the end of day's play ? ...picking Anwar also allows for a left-right combo.

[Guest dada_rocks]

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anyone who thinks Sehwag is a better opener than Hanif knows very little cricket IMO. Underrating Hanif is not just an Indian thing- i've seen too many Pakistanis prefer Majid Khan or Anwar to Hanif but that is just nonsense. Hanif is a bonafide contender for opening slot though personally, i might consider Vijay Merchant ahead of him.

Have u seen him bat??

[Guest dada_rocks]

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I usually pick up batsmen overall not slot wise. Even in opening slot he will have to go past sehwag.

That pretty much sums your knowledge, or lack thereof. *****

rest assured I don't get flowery tributes come in way of my judgement unlike you... Pir mian then par achieve kya kiya thenga tab fir thenga se hi assessment hoga ..

[MundaPakistani]

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Hanif Mohammed is the same guy who scored triple century in West Indies and also ended with 499 in a first class game, a score later bettered by Brian Lara. So much was admiration/fear of Hanif that on a trip to India while Pakistani team was travelling by train(no aeroplane back then of course), he was mobbed by Indian cricket fans and would later on realize that while the hand shakes were on someone had slipped a blade and cut the palm of his hands so he couldnt bat, or atleast bat at his best, against India!! xxxx

Interesting! DR, As Lurker pointed out you can't compare an opener to a middle order batsman, e.g Azharuddin's batting record should be compared with some one like S Malik or Z Abbas and not H Mohammed or S Anwar.

[MundaPakistani]

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Miandad had the highest batting average among the batsmen of his era, D Lillie(arguably the best bowler at the time) called him the best batsman that he ever bowled to so Miandad over Inzi is a no brainer for mine!

MP, Small correction here. Dennis Lillee did not call Miandad as the best batsmen he bowled to. The best batsman Dennis Lillee bowled to was Viv Richards, as spelled out very clearly in his Autobiography - Dennis Lillee Menace. What was interesting is that the second best batsman Dennis picked was Gary Sobers, even though Sobers played a couple of blistering knocks against Lillee including a double century for Rest of the World against Aussies, an innings that Don Bradman called out as the best innings ever played in Australia. The best 10 batsman picked by Lillee are in order: Viv Richards Gary Sobers David Gower Barry Richards Graeme Pollock Greg Chappell Javed Miandad Doug Walters Allan Border Ian Chappell. Lillee did rate Miandad very highly and conceded that "I was too attacking against him when I bowled, a testament to the fact that he won the battle of minds"...I can not recall Lillee ever writing about someone else winning a mental battle against him. I will pick my Indo-Pak XI in a little while. Good thread :wtg: xxxx

Apologizes for the false information, i was quite sure that i read some where that Lillie called Miandad the greatest but seems like i must have been mistaken.

[Lurker]

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Hanif Mohammed is the same guy who scored triple century in West Indies and also ended with 499 in a first class game, a score later bettered by Brian Lara. So much was admiration/fear of Hanif that on a trip to India while Pakistani team was travelling by train(no aeroplane back then of course), he was mobbed by Indian cricket fans and would later on realize that while the hand shakes were on someone had slipped a blade and cut the palm of his hands so he couldnt bat, or atleast bat at his best, against India!! xxxx

Interesting!

MP. Indo-Pakistan cricket history is replete with such interesting anecdotes. The only problem is that fans of today generation are not too much interested in them. For them Hanif Mohammed is a batsman who scored at abouts 43 and that is it. Unfortunately. Do you know that when Abdul Hafiz Kardaar led Pakistan's first trip to India(1952-53) he made it a point to visit the Islamic remains in India. Only the Islamic remains mind you. Not for him the Hindu or Buddhist or Christian architectural wonders. He was as pro-Pakistan as Zinnah would have ever hoped for. Yet the man had such integrity that when he went back he would be asked the same question over and over again, "How did they treat Muslims in India? How were you treated?" and he would always say that Muslims were treated as good as Hindus and that they(Pakistanis) were treated very well. Lot of powerful people tried him to say something against India(probably in an order to justify creation of Pakistan I suppose) but he wouldnt budge. No wonder he was the only person even the fiery Imran Khan feared of. On the other hand his counterpart was Lala Amarnath. He was born in Pakistan and many of Pakistani players had played under him as skipper in undivided Indian domestic cricket. On field Lala would have tremendous fight with Pakistani players but off field he was revered as Ultimate person. I remember how Hanif Mohammed fondly remembered of Lala Amarnath and mentioned how Pakistani cricket fans would only listen to Lala Amarnath when the cricket commentary was on in 78-79. The moment he would go off the air Pakistani fans would abuse the local commentators. To Hanif, Lala was the ultimate. And so it is no surprise that these two powerful characters once had a good old melee, fighting each other old school style in a Hotel Lobby :lmao: Indian Pakistan cricket is rich with such characters, but alas fans do not care much today. One possible reason why inspite of such a huge rivalry we are not a patch on Ashes. We dont respect our history..or our characters. xxxx

[yomomma]

Re: All time India-Pakistan 11 Subcont ODI xi Jayasuriya Tendulkar Ganguly Inzamam Dravid keeper Aravinda Imran Kapil Wasim Waqar Murali

[Birbal3]

Re: All time India-Pakistan 11 Interesting to note Dennis didn't pick Sunil...who had 13!!! Centuries against the Windies....what a LOSER... And David Gower is No. 3... :chin: