Australia killing test cricket with their flat pitches.

[vaibhav_delhi]

one more thing is media from sub-continent still lives in colonial age where anything happens in west is always right and also good.That is the reason they keep drooling over them and can never find anything wrong.They just cannot go past their thinking to say it was just an awful pitch. The media from west think how can anything good happen in sub-continent thats why you get headlines how test cricket is dying in here, how boring the cricket is here in sub continent forgetting so called home of cricket lords has one of the flattest wicket.This test also except Peter every media member found cricket as enthralling. They are labeling this Ashes as some kind of savior for test cricket and over hyped this one to death. In reality this has been the most boring one sided affairs in last two decades except one series in 2005.

media and fans alike. Seems the reason to me for why indian fans are appreciative of taylor, waugh, ponting and border as great captains but not so much abt dhoni.

[vaibhav_delhi]

putrevus and KT: Do you agree that : 1. a draw on slow and low pitch(found in subcontinent) is more painful to watch than a draw on fast but flat track (where you atleast get to see good stroke play)? 2. the percentage of draws is about double in subcontinent than outside subcont? If yes, then you should not talk about double standards as of now. the media behavior is quite justified imo. we all want to see more of recent nagpur like tracks in india

[King Tendulkar]

putrevus and KT: Do you agree that : 1. a draw on slow and low pitch(found in subcontinent) is more painful to watch than a draw on fast but flat track (where you atleast get to see good stroke play)? 2. the percentage of draws is about double in subcontinent than outside subcont? If yes, then you should not talk about double standards as of now. the media behavior is quite justified imo. we all want to see more of recent nagpur like tracks in india

To point number- 1. WTF!!!! You have been brain washed. Slow tracks require different techniques to bat then faster tracks. Spinning tracks require different techniques to Seaming tracks. Cricket is all about the beauty of variety. I love the stroke play on slower tracks and fast tracks. It seems you only like one type of track and of course it happens to be like aussie tracks. A flat track is a flat track, wether with pace or with none. 2. Even in Bangladesh? Stats over last decade are much closer now. Media are a joke and it seems to have you in its bag. Yes we need more tracks like Nagpur and less like Brisbane. Maybe Nagpur groundsman can go to Brisbane and help their groundsman to deliver great test wickets!

[vaibhav_delhi]

To point number- 1. WTF!!!! You have been brain washed. Slow tracks require different techniques to bat then faster tracks. Spinning tracks require different techniques to Seaming tracks. Cricket is all about the beauty of variety. I love the stroke play on slower tracks and fast tracks. It seems you only like one type of track and of course it happens to be like aussie tracks. A flat track is a flat track, wether with pace or with none. 2. Even in Bangladesh? Stats over last decade are much closer now. Media are a joke and it seems to have you in its bag. Yes we need more tracks like Nagpur and less like Brisbane. Maybe Nagpur groundsman can go to Brisbane and help their groundsman to deliver great test wickets!

lol....nagpur groundmen first need to go to ahemdabad and hyderabad before brisbane. I could watch the 1st ashes drawn test in brisbane but couldnt bear to watch the india-NZ on that slow ahmedabad wicket. I see that in last aussie summer, 5 of the 6 test matches yielded results and the drawn test also had 35 wickets. http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;home_or_away=1;opposition=4;opposition=7;orderby=start;spanmin1=15+Mar+2008;spanval1=span;team=2;template=results;type=team;view=results

[putrevus]

media and fans alike. Seems the reason to me for why indian fans are appreciative of taylor' date=' waugh, ponting and border as great captains but not so much abt dhoni.[/quote'] You are quite wrong on that Mark Taylor universally along with Stephen Flemming are acknowledged as great captains and Indian fans are no exception they also give them their due . Waugh and Border are called great because of their fighting spirit they imparted to their team which made them mentally strong.Waugh made a good team into an all time great team with that spirit.Border on the other hand is termed great due to fact he made a mediocre team into a good team. Dhoni and Ponting are compared because relatively speaking because they both were handed over the strongest teams ever played for both countries. Punter when he had strong team always went for win at all costs agreed he had much stronger team but Dhoni has not done that he has not displayed that flair which was initially found in his captaincy. Dhoni who deified conventional thinking into strangling Aussies with 8-1 field is not seen now a days it seems that is why he draws some flak from fans and it has got nothing to do with skin color.

[King Tendulkar]

To post 87 Last 8 test matches in India yielded 6 results. :winky: Results a plenty me thinks. And we also played teams that could bat. Unlike windies and pakistan who love a collapse!:cantstop: You are not indulging in lazy sterotypes are you?

[King Tendulkar]

I could watch the 1st ashes drawn test in brisbane but couldnt bear to watch the india-NZ on that slow ahmedabad wicket. ]

It was the opposite to me. Brisbane test was the height of boredom

[putrevus]

putrevus and KT: Do you agree that : 1. a draw on slow and low pitch(found in subcontinent) is more painful to watch than a draw on fast but flat track (where you atleast get to see good stroke play)? 2. the percentage of draws is about double in subcontinent than outside subcont? If yes, then you should not talk about double standards as of now. the media behavior is quite justified imo. we all want to see more of recent nagpur like tracks in india

Buddy you have some preconceived notions ingrained in your mind, most fans found the tussle between very disciplined bowling attack of Vettori against Indian batsmen enthralling with exception of Dravid's batting sometimes I confess but Dravid was hopeless out of form till last test. Percentage of draws on flat pitches is same everywhere except when you have great bowling lineup.

[vaibhav_delhi]

To post 87 Last 8 test matches in India yielded 6 results. :winky: Results a plenty me thinks. And we also played teams that could bat. Unlike windies and pakistan who love a collapse!:cantstop: You are not indulging in lazy sterotypes are you?

you were talking about recent results in your previous posts. India has drawn 11 of last 28test mtches played in last 5 years in india: http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;home_or_away=1;orderby=result;spanmax2=30+Nov+2010;spanmin2=30+Nov+2005;spanval2=span;team=6;template=results;type=team;view=results whereas Aus. has drawn only 4 off 26 matches in last 5 years a home: http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;home_or_away=1;orderby=result;spanmax2=30+Nov+2010;spanmin2=30+Nov+2005;spanval2=span;team=2;template=results;type=team;view=results Pls a draw on a slow pitch is more painful to watch than on a fast pitch. No brain wash in this statement, as you are claiming

[King Tendulkar]

Pls a draw on a slow pitch is more painful to watch than on a fast pitch. No brain wash in this statement' date=' as you are claiming[/quote'] Why? This seems to me more of a perception fault on your part. In tennis clay is slower and more patient game, then higher octane stuff of grass. Yet both are equally loved and embraced in tennis. Both require different skills and these difeerent skills are lauded by all. Specialists are loved and appreciated and ones who deliver on both are hailed as greats. Yet in cricket we have people like yourself who only like non indian pitches only. You need to change your blinkered perceptions and embrace variety.

[vaibhav_delhi]

Buddy you have some preconceived notions ingrained in your mind, most fans found the tussle between very disciplined bowling attack of Vettori against Indian batsmen enthralling with exception of Dravid's batting sometimes I confess but Dravid was hopeless out of form till last test. Percentage of draws on flat pitches is same everywhere except when you have great bowling lineup.

lol...I watch cricket with objectivity. It is you who seems to want to prove something non-existent. you do not agree that recent ahemdabad draw on that slow pitch was more painful to watch than bribane draw on that pitch which was atleast condusive to strokeplay.

[King Tendulkar]

lol...I watch cricket with objectivity. It is you who seems to want to prove something non-existent. you do not agree that recent ahemdabad draw on that slow pitch was more painful to watch than bribane draw on that pitch which was atleast condusive to strokeplay.

Condusive to stroke play???? Why were strike rates really high in Brisbane or something?? Did I miss something here!!! You should see Sehwags and bhaji strike rates in that test, they seem to indicate that pitch being more conducive to stroke play!

[vaibhav_delhi]

Why? This seems to me more of a perception fault on your part. In tennis clay is slower and more patient game, then higher octane stuff of grass. Yet both are equally loved and embraced in tennis. Both require different skills and these difeerent skills are lauded by all. Specialists are loved and appreciated and ones who deliver on both are hailed as greats. Yet in cricket we have people like yourself who only like non indian pitches only. You need to change your blinkered perceptions and embrace variety.

so you concede that even in recent history, on indian pitches more matches are drawn. I never said, I dont like indian pitches, only said I do not like extremely slow and low pitches like the one in ahemdabad. do not compare cricket with tennis, a test match lasts 5 days mate. Like i said, You 2 are on to prove a non-existantial point.

[King Tendulkar]

Average runs scored per wicket in the 2000s. Country-wise numbers Same stats in the 1990s Two startling revelations: Sri Lanka has turned out to be a harder place to score runs in the 2000s than England. England was the easiest place to score runs in the 90s apparently.

Please refrain from posting facts that shatter lazy sterotypes! As holy cows must be protected at all times.

[vaibhav_delhi]

Condusive to stroke play???? Why were strike rates really high in Brisbane or something?? Did I miss something here!!! You should see Sehwags and bhaji strike rates in that test' date=' they seem to indicate that pitch being more conducive to stroke play![/quote'] sehwag is one of his kind. Go see dravid's SR for his first 100 balls in the 1st test that too after india had a very good start,

[King Tendulkar]

Like i said' date=' You 2 are on to prove a non-existantial point.[/quote'] No my point is that they were both BORING and both FLAT!!! While yours is that apparently Brisbane pitch was ok and interesting, while only India pitches are broing and flat!

[King Tendulkar]

sehwag is one of his kind. Go see dravid's SR for his first 100 balls in the 1st test that too after india had a very good start' date='[/quote'] What about Bhajis knock? Or is it now that they were 2 of a kind!:giggle:

[vaibhav_delhi]

No my point is that they were both BORING and both FLAT!!! While yours is that apparently Brisbane pitch was ok and interesting' date=' while only India pitches are broing and flat![/quote'] lol...ahemdabad was more boring than brisbane for me atleast. plus I dont want to hurry on to unfair criticism for only the 4th drawn match in last 26 matches on the aussie soil.

[putrevus]

you were talking about recent results in your previous posts. India has drawn 11 of last 28test mtches played in last 5 years in india: http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;home_or_away=1;orderby=result;spanmax2=30+Nov+2010;spanmin2=30+Nov+2005;spanval2=span;team=6;template=results;type=team;view=results whereas Aus. has drawn only 4 off 26 matches in last 5 years a home: http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;home_or_away=1;orderby=result;spanmax2=30+Nov+2010;spanmin2=30+Nov+2005;spanval2=span;team=2;template=results;type=team;view=results Pls a draw on a slow pitch is more painful to watch than on a fast pitch. No brain wash in this statement, as you are claiming

In case you forgot in last five years Aussies had two gentlemen who are called McGrath and Warne to go along with great batting line up to batter opposing bowlers into submission. Once that bowling along with attacking batsmen quit. we are left with mediocre Aussie team who will struggle to get 20 wickets or score more than 300 runs/day on consistent basis to give their bowlers time to get those 20 wickets. Didn't we see this day coming for Aussies way back in 2003-04 when Indians hammered Aussie bowlers without Warne and McGrath.They still had great batsmen in that team, if this batting line up was there then Indians would have walloped them in that series instead of drawing that series.

[Sachin=GOD]

sehwag is one of his kind. Go see dravid's SR for his first 100 balls in the 1st test that too after india had a very good start' date='[/quote'] since when has Dravid's strike rate ever been high?