Gavaskar vs Tendulkar

[patriot]

LOL...lagta hai 2-3 logon ke paas kaafi fizzul ka time hai. Why go back to Bradman..bhai log. Farking...try and even prove first that SRT is the best Indian test player. With the above listed parameters ..I challenge anyone to prove that Tendulkar is a greater test player than Sunny Gavaskar. Anyone and everyone who has watched Sunny Gavaskar handle the monsterous WI pace battery, Lillee and Co in the World Series without any protection whatsoever, opening the batting and averaging 60+ , must be drunk to suggest that the Tendulkar is anywhere close to the original little master. Having played nearly 60 % of his cricket in the flattest of the pitches in cricket history, the master " blaster" averages no better than 55, an average not even better than his biggest rivals of that era. Take out his minnows Bangladesh and the little man is then seriously left behind his domineering peers. Tendulkar is not even the best test batsman of his era or his country and therefore should not be compared to inarguably the greatest of all times, someone who was so great, people din't even bother drawing comparisons.

[Guest BossBhai]

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[patriot]

For patriot

LOL ...numbers se kuchhota nahi hai toh phaltu clips pe aate ho. 99.99 % of the cricketing fraternity salutes Bradman as someone in his own class, plenty of clips on the that. But there you want to show retarded statistical jugglery which no educated person will understand. And now you want me to react to Gavaskar's senile at 60 act. Shall I show you clips of SRT's stumps walloped by Asif's and Akhtar's ? Will that prove anything ? Already given up on the challenge, dear ? Gavaskar vs Tendulkar, dear ?

[Roshanrocks]

And now you want me to react to Gavaskar's senile at 60 act.

there he goes insulting Gavaskar...... wow!

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[patriot]

Sunny Gavaskar averages 47.65 in matches involving either of the best 7 fast bowlers of his generation. LINK Tendulkar averages a PATHETIC 38.10 in matches involving either of the best 7 fast bowlers of his generation.. This man is truely the epitome of overratedness. LINK

[patriot]

want to get banned again for a longer time ?

LOL...Daar gaye kya ? Ginti bhul gaye kya ? Maidan se bhagna hai kya ? Asaan tarika dhond rahe ho kya ? You are a funny man, Bossbhai.

[patriot]

Sunny Gavaskar averages 47.65 in matches involving either of the best 7 fast bowlers of his generation. LINK Tendulkar averages a PATHETIC 38.10 in matches involving either of the best 7 fast bowlers of his generation.. This man is truely the epitome of overratedness. LINK

Needless to say, even in this PWNING, Sachin faced lesser innings against the best fast bowlers than the little master Sunny Gavaskar. But yeah, Tendulkar averages 136 against Bangladesh in Mirpur and Dhaka. Sunny duely retired before such challenges came about in his career. No wonder he salutes the master blaster. Nanhe Rohan ka setting kahin na kahin Sachin karde ga next 5-6 saloon takj IPL mein.

[thevortex]

Please guys - with all due respects, can we not use this thread as well to sling mud on past and present greats as well as each other? Consider this my sincere request. Lets use this thread only to provide numbers on the parameters listed above. And any new parameters - if valid - can be inducted. No discussion whatsoever on the numbers until all the parameters are tackled and numbers are produced and ratified. Then we can sit back and discuss comparison. Right now we dont have all the parameters for comparison.

[patriot]

Please guys - with all due respects, can we not use this thread as well to sling mud on past and present greats as well as each other? Consider this my sincere request. Lets use this thread only to provide numbers on the parameters listed above. And any new parameters - if valid - can be inducted. No discussion whatsoever on the numbers until all the parameters are tackled and numbers are produced and ratified. Then we can sit back and discuss comparison. Right now we dont have all the parameters for comparison.

Thevortex - You and a bunch of guys. You love closing your eyes so tight to the facts. Let's Sachin cross the Gavaskar hurdle first. The comparison is easier since it is just a generation gap. I presented a set of stats comparing both the maestros performances against the top 7 fast bowlers of their times. All the parameters apply Not to pleasant to discuss for you ? Gavaskar vs Tendulkar ?

[thevortex]

Thevortex - You and a bunch of guys. You love closing your eyes so tight to the facts. Let's Sachin cross the Gavaskar hurdle first. The comparison is easier since it is just a generation gap. I presented a set of stats comparing both the maestros performances against the top 7 fast bowlers of their times. All the parameters apply Not to pleasant to discuss for you ? Gavaskar vs Tendulkar ?

I am always game for a discussion, patriot. Especially on the game I so love. And Gavaskar vs Tendulkar is no exception. It is just that you could possibly open a new thread and I would happily come there and discuss. Works for you?

[patriot]

I am always game for a discussion' date=' patriot. Especially on the game I so love. And Gavaskar vs Tendulkar is no exception. It is just that you could possibly open a new thread and I would happily come there and discuss. Works for you?[/quote'] Sure does, except for the fact that endless comparison threads of a single player on the front page make the front page of the CT section look retarded. Mods usually merge such threads. * But * there are alwasy exceptions. This is afterall tendulkarfans.com.......err sorry indiancricketfans.com:winky:

[thevortex]

Yes, patriot, I am also not delighted by the various 'vs' threads we have open. Perhaps we should just take a break and then revisit these subjects? See if anything changes?

[99.94]

When I did the same thing for Ponting (put in the top bowlers of his time) I get an average of 60. I am doing everything correctly yes? http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=runs;player_involve=1775;player_involve=1935;player_involve=1973;player_involve=2011;player_involve=2041;player_involve=2228;player_involve=47154;player_involve=5649;spanmin1=08+Dec+1995;spanval1=span;team=2;template=results;type=batting

[99.94]

I'm just waiting for King Tendulkar to come on and say how he saw videos of Gavaskar batting and it was a comedy show and that it's laughable that anyone who played before 1989 could be considered the best ever.

[Roshanrocks]

maaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnn stats analysis is so feckin boringggggggggg analysis of tendulkar vs DOnald tests played 11 first test http://www.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63724.html tendulkar scored 42 out of 211(discounting extras) - dismissed by symcox tendulkar scored 7 out of 190 (discounting extras) - dismissed by Mc Millan Highest team score 244: donald did not dismiss tendulkar: Srinath took 8 wickets compared to donald Second Test http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63725.html tendulkar scored 18 out of 211(discounting extras) - dismissed by Donald tendulkar scored 2 out of 126 (discounting extras) - dismissed by Symcox Donald didnt even bowl in the second innings dude :D Third Test http://www.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63870.html tendulkar scored 97 out of 212 (discounting extras) - dismissed by Kallis tendulkar scored 8 out of 111 (discounting extras) - dismissed by Cronje

Donald was summoned back into the attack in the 23rd over and found that bowling to Tendulkar and Dravid was not quite the same as bowling to Laxman and Jaffer. Tendulkar was unfazed by the bouncers Donald was sending down and was keen to make use of any opportunities to keep the scoreboard ticking over. When Donald drifted onto the leg stump, Tendulkar was quick to whip the ball away through mid wicket. After picking up two runs in this fashion, Tendulkar did one step better, timing the ball perfectly and picking up four off an identical shot. The much talked about Tendulkar versus Donald battle began in earnest. Donald followed up every other bouncer with a couple of quick words. However, the fact that he let Tendulkar get so many runs through the on side eased the pressure considerably.

Fourth Test http://www.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63871.html tendulkar scored 21 out of 137 (discounting extras) - dismissed by Hayward tendulkar scored 20 out of 233 (discounting extras) - dismissed by Donald So in the first 4 tests i checked donald got sachin out twice. And we can minus one innings from the average when donald did not bowl also in the innings of 2, 7 and 8 where sachin was not dismissed by Donald we donot know if Donald even bowled to him and even if he did, it wasnt donald who took sachin's wicket, (minus 4 innings already from the average) and Donald himself has to say this about Sachin http://www.cricinfo.com/sachinat20/content/story/434423.html 7 tests to go to be added due to lack of time and the boredom involved in crunching numbers

[saneindian]

When I did the same thing for Ponting (put in the top bowlers of his time) I get an average of 60. I am doing everything correctly yes? http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=runs;player_involve=1775;player_involve=1935;player_involve=1973;player_involve=2011;player_involve=2041;player_involve=2228;player_involve=47154;player_involve=5649;spanmin1=08+Dec+1995;spanval1=span;team=2;template=results;type=batting

All you need to do is to replace Kumble with Bhajji, and Punter's average goes down to 51.2!! http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=runs;player_involve=1775;player_involve=1935;player_involve=2011;player_involve=2041;player_involve=2228;player_involve=47154;player_involve=5649;player_involve=7139;spanmin1=08+Dec+1995;spanval1=span;team=2;template=results;type=batting Next replace Akhtar with Ambrose, the average falls to 47!! http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=runs;player_involve=1775;player_involve=1884;player_involve=1935;player_involve=2011;player_involve=2041;player_involve=2228;player_involve=47154;player_involve=7139;spanmin1=08+Dec+1995;spanval1=span;team=2;template=results;type=batting Next you take out Waqar (who hardly played tests against Ponting) and add Walsh, Punter's average falls to 45. http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=runs;player_involve=1765;player_involve=1775;player_involve=1884;player_involve=2011;player_involve=2041;player_involve=2228;player_involve=47154;player_involve=7139;spanmin1=08+Dec+1995;spanval1=span;team=2;template=results;type=batting So , in a 2 minute exercise, Ponting's average falls from 60 to 45. More to follow.

[satyam1729]

Sunny Gavaskar averages 47.65 in matches involving either of the best 7 fast bowlers of his generation. LINK Tendulkar averages a PATHETIC 38.10 in matches involving either of the best 7 fast bowlers of his generation.. This man is truely the epitome of overratedness. LINK

Since when shoaib akhter and pollock became a greater gast bowler than Ambrose and Gillespie:nervous: And why did you not include IAN Botham in Gavaskar

[Sooda]

http://historyofcricket.blogspot.com/2007/11/myth-of-sunil-gavaskar-and-west-indies.html ... Gavaskar made his debut for India against the West Indies on the 6th of March, 1971 at Port of Spain. He played four tests, and finished the series with an impressive total of 774 runs at the astronomical average of 154.80 with four centuries. During this series, the West Indies were in a state of change. The leading pacemen of the 60s including Hall, Griffith and Gilchrist had all played their final test. The Windies bowling attack was dominated by spin, with Lance Gibbs well on his way to passing Fred Trueman as the leading test wicket-taker. The fast bowlers that Gavaskar faced during this series were Keith Boyce, Grayson Shillingford, Vanburn Holder and Uton Dowe (he of the 11th Commandment – Dowe shall not bowl). The other medium paced bowlers used included Gary Sobers and John Shepard. With all due respect to the bowlers of the time, it was hardly an attack to cause significant concerns to a player of Gavaskar’s obvious skill. Gavaskar only played two tests of the 1974/75 home series against the West Indies. He struggled, scoring 108 runs at an average of just 27. The quick bowlers he faced in this series included a young Andy Roberts, and the medium paced Holder, Boyce and left armer Bernard Julien. Gavaskar’s next series against the West Indies was again away from home in 1975/76. Gavaskar again batted beautifully, scoring 390 runs at 55.71, with another two centuries. By this time, the Windies fast bowling battery was just starting to take form. The first two Tests saw Gavaskar opening the batting against genuine quicks Michael Holding and Andy Roberts. In support was swing bowler Julien, and spinners Holford and Jumadeen. After disappointing initially with 37 and 1 in the First Test, Gavaskar did score a wonderful 156 in the second. The Third and Fourth Tests saw no Andy Roberts, with Michael Holding in his second series as a Windies player supported by Wayne Daniel, Holder, Julien, Jumadeen, Albert Padmore and Imtiaz Ali. There was not yet any sign of the four pronged pace attack that would soon dominate the cricket world. The West Indies then toured India in 1978/79. This tour was in the middle of the Packer years, and the West Indies bowling attack was decimated. Rather than facing Holding, Roberts, Garner and Croft, Gavaskar opened the batting in the First Test against the legendary Norbert Phillip, his old nemesis Vanburn Holder, and Sylvester Clarke. The Windies attack again had reverted to spin, with Derek Parry and Jumadeen both playing. Gavaskar again gorged himself, scoring 732 runs at 91.50, with another 4 centuries. A very young Malcolm Marshall made his debut during this very high scoring six test series that India won 1-0, with five draws. Gavaskar’s second last series against the Windies was away in 1982/83. He scored 240 runs at an average of 30, with one century. Against the full might of the Windies four quicks (Holding, Roberts, Garner and Marshall), he scored 20 and 0 in the First Test, 1 and 32 in the Second, a very good 147 not out in the Third (which was badly affected by weather and India didn’t even finish their first innings), 2 and 19 in the Fourth, and 18 and 1 in the Fifth. This was the first time Gavaskar had played against all of the Windies quicks, and he clearly struggled. In 1983/84, Gavaskar played the Windies for the last time. This series was at home, and the bowling attack was weakened by the absence of Garner. In the first test, the Windies fielding four quicks, but whilst Holding and Marshall were genuinely fast, neither Eldine Baptiste or Winston Davis really threatened. Gavaskar started poorly with 0 and 7 in the First Test, before finding some form with 121 and 15 in the Second, and 90 and 1 in the Third. 12, 3, 0 and 20 were his scores in the next two tests, before Gavaskar played one of his great knocks. In the final test, he dropped himself down the order to no. 4, with Gaekwad and Sidhu opening. The fact that Malcolm Marshall took two wickets without a run being scored meant that Gavaskar may as well have opened anyway. Gavaskar proceeded to totally dominate the Windies attack and scored a wonderful 236 not out. This was a fantastic innings, and underlined why Gavaskar is a great. There is a wonderful account of this innings at http://tcwj.blogspot.com/2007/10/29.html that is highly recommended reading. Unfortunately, his previous failures in the series were effectively covered up by this large unbeaten double century. When you examine the record of Gavaskar against the West Indies, it is clear that only the final three centuries were actually scored against an attack that resembled the fearsome Windies pace barrage that we remember. A large percentage of his runs were accumulated in two series against very much weakened bowling attacks. As a consequence of factors outside of his control, Gavaskar didn’t play against the Windies full strength team between 1975/76 and 1982/83. This analysis is not to decry Gavaskar – he is a legend of the game and deserves ultimate respect for what he has achieved. He could, after all, not control who he played against. A very strong argument can be made that Gavaskar should be considered of the best few opening batsmen in the history of the game. However, the claims made by some supporters that he is the greatest opener of all-time based solely on his record against the Windies is one that simply does not hold up to closer scrutiny.

[satyam1729]

When I did the same thing for Ponting (put in the top bowlers of his time) I get an average of 60. I am doing everything correctly yes? http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=runs;player_involve=1775;player_involve=1935;player_involve=1973;player_involve=2011;player_involve=2041;player_involve=2228;player_involve=47154;player_involve=5649;spanmin1=08+Dec+1995;spanval1=span;team=2;template=results;type=batting

I have done all these exercise before and concuded that Punter was a better player of fast bowling than sachin and lara. And sachin and lara were much better player of spin bowling than punter.You have to include harbhajan, Ambrose and Walsh too. And for sachin include Gillespie,Ambrose and Walsh.:winky: