Gaurav Posted February 27, 2007 Posted February 27, 2007 Re: MundaPakistani Quran can be used to bring the message of peace and the same Quran can be used to bring violence to the land' date=' the same Bible can be used to bring peace and tranquility yet it can also be used the way it was by the Christian crusaders.[/quote'] You still don't get it do you? You can use it however the hell you want but does that change the facts about MO? Oh and btw the Crusades to the East were in every way defensive wars. They were a direct response to Muslim aggression?an attempt to turn back or defend against Muslim conquests of Christian lands.
kumble_rocks Posted February 27, 2007 Posted February 27, 2007 Re: MundaPakistani MP , honest question for you , How can people of SE Asian people be so passionate about Islam ? After all , it's an alien religion for you guys more tuned with culture/practises of Arabs.To top it all , Arbas treat SE Asian people like Dirts and are pretty racist. Don't you think Sufism is the best option for you folks , instead of Sunni/Shia Philosophy.
Gaurav Posted February 27, 2007 Posted February 27, 2007 Re: MundaPakistani Robert Spencer :wtg: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-aAqLWQ1z4
kumble_rocks Posted February 27, 2007 Posted February 27, 2007 Re: MundaPakistani Robert Spencer :wtg: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-aAqLWQ1z4 Jesus, Pat Robertson is a ring wing lunatic who has said lot of unflattering things about Hindus. Any guest in his program is usually a christian nut.
Gaurav Posted February 27, 2007 Posted February 27, 2007 Re: MundaPakistani Robert Spencer :wtg: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-aAqLWQ1z4 Jesus, Pat Robertson is a ring wing lunatic who has said lot of unflattering things about Hindus. Any guest in his program is usually a christian nut. Errr Robert Spencer is a scholar who runs Jihad Watch. Just because he is being interviewed by a right wing dude does not make Robert Spencer's message and facts irrelevant :chin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Spencer http://jihadwatch.org/ EDIT- Everything Spencer says in that interview can be backed 100%
Raj Posted February 27, 2007 Posted February 27, 2007 Re: MundaPakistani Don't you think Sufism is the best option for you folks , instead of Sunni/Shia Philosophy. Sufi mystics/saints were NOT accepted and often persecuted....
Anakin Posted February 27, 2007 Posted February 27, 2007 Re: MundaPakistani Only problem is none of them proclaimed themselves to be Gods messengers ... ????? So ?? :huh: My initial point was Mohd. was not a bad bloke for his day and age plus culture sphere. I am sure,since you are so knowledgable about mohd, you are aware of the good reforms he instituted in his society.If you don't see that point then its useless. It's funny when you talk about peace while involved in genocide. It is fine for just a general or a man, but doesn't fit with supposedly the greatest man ever. It's not that difficult to institute some good things in the bedouin society, but doesn't wash away the war crimes among many other things.
King Tendulkar Posted February 27, 2007 Posted February 27, 2007 Re: MundaPakistani Unsurprisingly this thread has turned in to just like all those other threads with people trying their best to find loopholes in Islam. Loopholes? I thought muslims believe islam is perfect? Do you believe islam is perfect MP? or are you going to avoid the question? it depends on your interpretation(as is the same in all other religions), the same Quran can be used to bring the message of peace and the same Quran can be used to bring violence to the land, the same Bible can be used to bring peace and tranquility yet it can also be used the way it was by the Christian crusaders. What a load of waffle :shrug: simple question for you MP. Do YOU think Islam is perfect? Yes or No?
Anakin Posted February 27, 2007 Posted February 27, 2007 Re: MundaPakistani Logic 101 Gods messenger Cannot be 1. Pedophile 2. Cruel 3. Warmongerer etc etc etc Please dont ask why Reality 101: Gods messengers often are : 1. Paedophile 2. Cruel 3. Warmongerer etc etc etc. Please don't ask why. Thats just the way it is.Such as?
Anakin Posted February 27, 2007 Posted February 27, 2007 Re: MundaPakistani Gods messengers often are : And that allows Mo to be also one exactly how ... isnt he supposed to be the best and now that you have ventured into the realms of Reality .... heres some more None of the religions that you claim to be founded by people with those disorders have followers as of today with those disorders .... and which religions founders were Pedophiles ? I said and i repeat, Mohammed was not a bad guy for his time/culture And I say he was the Worst guy even for his times ..... there were much better specimens of human beings around him.Exactly, I'm sure there were many decent people even then.
kumble_rocks Posted February 27, 2007 Posted February 27, 2007 Re: MundaPakistani Can God/God's Messenger have 16 thousand wives ?
Anakin Posted February 27, 2007 Posted February 27, 2007 Re: MundaPakistani Can God/God's Messenger have 16 thousand wives ?Only one could and it was unlimited #, not mere 16K
kumble_rocks Posted February 27, 2007 Posted February 27, 2007 Re: MundaPakistani Can God/God's Messenger have 16 thousand wives ?Only one could and it was unlimited #' date=' not mere 16K[/quote'] And shouldn't that one be considered a womaniser ?
kumble_rocks Posted February 27, 2007 Posted February 27, 2007 Re: MundaPakistani And shouldn't that one be considered a womaniser ? Yes he is ... and hence you will find no one practicing that ... Sad thing is we dont practice a lot of good stuff also from the Gita. Fair Enuf. :wtg:
Anakin Posted February 27, 2007 Posted February 27, 2007 Re: MundaPakistani I was talking about the prophet though, who are you two talking about
kumble_rocks Posted February 27, 2007 Posted February 27, 2007 Re: MundaPakistani I was talking about the prophet though' date=' who are you two talking about[/quote'] Sri Krishna.
Anakin Posted February 27, 2007 Posted February 27, 2007 Re: MundaPakistani Ah ok Anyway you don't see hindus following him in that regard do you?
kumble_rocks Posted February 28, 2007 Posted February 28, 2007 Re: MundaPakistani Ah ok Anyway you don't see hindus following him in that regard do you? Point well taken. Those who still insist on this practise is a savage , in my opinion.
Anakin Posted February 28, 2007 Posted February 28, 2007 Re: MundaPakistani And you won't find too many hindus, at least the sane ones, defending things like that, while on the other hand, almost every muslim will defend md and islam to the death of the doubters and kafirs.
MundaPakistani Posted February 28, 2007 Posted February 28, 2007 Re: MundaPakistani Iam sorry MP .... but I wouldnt have said those things had not my countrymen being subjected to the terrors unleashed by Islam ... your forefathers themselves were probably subjected to the horrors. What is the point in brushing the uncomfortable under the carpet ... other than invite more misery ? The sooner the world recognizes the problem the sooner it will act to find a solution ... No sir! Your countrymen have been subjected to terror because the filthy politicians on both sides who are trying to work towards his own little agendas, these people don't care about me and you they just want to work towards their own agendas. BTW BB you should be very careful when you use the words like "my countrymen" because more there are about 120 million "countrymen" of yours practice the religion that you loathe and in all these acts of violence a lot of Muslims themselves get killed. That doesnt say much about the well touted fact that its "THE MOST CLEAR" texts with no errors ... The Holy book is suppose to have all the remedies of life so it's as simple and clear as you think because if that was the case then why do we have Muslim scholars? And the reason why we dont go apesh*t on Christianity is because they dont conduct crusades anymore. So are you telling me that if you were living in a period between the 10th to 13th century you would loathe Jesus for his teachings?
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