Taliban takeover of pakistan, and Indian response

[Ram]

Quite frankly' date=' [b']I can interpret his views as I feel them to be - there is no need for me to be bracketed by the limits of your "appropriateness". There are at least a couple of other posters in this thread who have a similar evaluation of Lurker's views as I do. If I see someone as racist based on his views I call him for being one. I have given my justification and you are free to disagree with it. Instead of that you have chosen to embark on an automatic negation of my terminology.

Uhh, no you cannot. Asking for Indians to diversify and take part in other forays is NOT Racism. But eh, such an allegation is pretty rich coming from a guy who openly advocated mass murder of Pakistanis when he said this;

With the Taliban ruling over pakistan, that country would be left without nukes (USA would remove them) and possibly an airforce or a proper army. India would be able to bomb away with impunity in pakistan without any international pressure or retaliation. Right now the paki nukes and weapons along with international pressure have tied our hands. There wont be any such restraints against the Taliban

I think that makes you a ripe candidate for being the most vehement advocate for genocide in this MB. What say, mister?

Let me repeat - Lurker feels inadequate due to the lifestyle of the Indian community as a whole. The Indian community is not "sexy" enough for him even though on parameters of income, academic achievement etc Indians score high. And the parameter of judging "sexiness" according to him is that Indians are not into soccer, NBA, Nascar! Combine it with his obsession with calling Indians nerds. Short of calling Indians dot heads thats as racist as you can get.

As always, your machinations of creativity are obviously infinitely better than your powers of comprehension. But hey dude, whatever suits you right?

[seedhi]

Uhh' date=' no you cannot. Asking for Indians to diversify and take part in other forays is NOT Racism. [/quote']Sorry, he didnt ask just that. This is what he wrote (his exact words):

... Good in studies..and well thats that. Personally I would much rather have the flair of a Spain, or a sporting nature of Brazil and Aussies ..

He would rather have Indians not be as good in studies but have the "flair of Spain" or Brazilian/Australian sporting nature. It is not an augmentation that he desires, rather a substitution of lifestyles. In other words the problem with Indians according to him is that they are .. Indians and not Spanish/Brazilian/Australian. Juxtapose this with his insistence on calling Indians nerd immigrants, mocking academic achievement etc and we have a clear case of bias which IMO constitute racist views.

But eh, such an allegation is pretty rich coming from a guy who openly advocated mass murder of Pakistanis when he said this; I think that makes you a ripe candidate for being the most vehement advocate for genocide in this MB. What say, mister?

So you have now stooped to plucking out a post from a thread, without mentioning the context. I had said that if the Taliban were to attack India from a Taliban ruled pakistan with the nukes having been removed, then India would be free to bomb pakistani territory without any protest from international community. As for pakistani lives - I have stated earlier as well and I will do so again - if there is a choice of saving one Indian life by killing all pakistanis I would prefer to do so rather than letting an Indian die.

As always, your machinations of creativity are obviously infinitely better than your powers of comprehension. But hey dude, whatever suits you right?

I see that you have chosen to keep repeating the same lines about my abilities rather than comment on my arguments.

[Ram]

Sorry' date=' he didnt ask just that. This is what he wrote (his exact words):He would rather have Indians not be as good in studies but have the "flair of Spain" or Brazilian/Australian sporting nature. It is not an augmentation that he desires, rather a substitution of lifestyles. In other words the problem with Indians according to him is that they are .. Indians and not Spanish/Brazilian/Australian. Juxtapose this with his insistence on calling Indians nerd immigrants, mocking academic achievement etc and we have a clear case of bias which IMO constitute racist views. [/quote'] Lol, how you managed to connect the non-existent dots and come to the conclusion you did is hilarious. You have changed the entire foundational meaning of the term ‘racist’. :haha:

So you have now stooped to plucking out a post from a thread' date=' without mentioning the context. I had said that if the Taliban were to attack India from a Taliban ruled pakistan with the nukes having been removed, then India would be free to bomb pakistani territory without any protest from international community. As for pakistani lives - I have stated earlier as well and I will do so again - if there is a choice of saving one Indian life by killing all pakistanis I would prefer to do so rather than letting an Indian die. [/quote'] Lier lier pants on fire! There was nothing in your original post that indicated anything along the lines of ‘If Taliban attacked India, we could just go in an bomb them with impunity’.. You said that if Taliban came to power in Pakistan, that would mean the world would remove the nukes from Pakistan and we could just go in an bunker-bust the entire country to dust. If Lurker calling for Indians to diversify into other fields makes him even remotely racist, then these comments of yours CLEARLY make you an advocate of Genocide, mass murder and the slaughter of innocent civilians! Glowing credentials I must admit!

I see that you have chosen to keep repeating the same lines about my abilities rather than comment on my arguments.

Your abilities to interpret statements and sentences has got EVERYTHING to with us having this debate.

[Ram]

If someone goes all low class and the people who are supposed to take action as per rules doggedly refuse to take action ( I sent you 3 or 4 PM') then I stand up and do whatever it takes to fix the idiot who was acting low class and the one that looked away.

He's actually justifying his actions! :haha: Just curious btw, what chapters were you planning on putting in your 'book'?

[seedhi]

Lier lier pants on fire!

Very mature.

There was nothing in your original post that indicated anything along the lines of ‘If Taliban attacked India, we could just go in an bomb them with impunity’.. You said that if Taliban came to power in Pakistan, that would mean the world would remove the nukes from Pakistan and we could just go in an bunker-bust the entire country to dust. If Lurker calling for Indians to diversify into other fields makes him even remotely racist, then these comments of yours CLEARLY make you an advocate of Genocide, mass murder and the slaughter of innocent civilians! Glowing credentials I must admit!

The context in which I advocated bombing a Taliban ruled, nuke nude pakistan was if the Taliban aim for Kashmir. You are clearly being dishonest when you claim that my post about bombing pakistan was in a vacuum. Here is the whole of my post which was in response to your post which is also quoted. Here is the link http://www.indiancricketfans.com/showthread.php?p=839265&highlight=bomb+away+with+impunity#post839265

2) In your assertion' date=' you speak as though the rise of Taliban in Pakistan is a good thing, which is sort of incredulous. Can you even imagine what would happen if the entire Pakistani nation of 140 million were to be under the control of radicalized elements? [b']Assuming they do manage to take control of Pakistan, do you know where they’re going to set their next sights on? Of course, it’d be Kashmir. So, rather than having to deal with some rogue elements within the current Pakistani establishment promoting Jihad in Kashmir, if the Taliban takes over Pakistan, we will now have an entire army of extremists gunning for Kashmir. Do you think that’s a good thing? For now, at least the Indian govt. can hope to negotiate and put pressure on the Pakistani govt. If that country is taken over by extremists, who will we talk to? The terrorists? And you know what they will say…? - ‘Eff you!’

With the Taliban ruling over pakistan, that country would be left without nukes (USA would remove them) and possibly an airforce or a proper army. India would be able to bomb away with impunity in pakistan without any international pressure or retaliation. Right now the paki nukes and weapons along with international pressure have tied our hands. There wont be any such restraints against the Taliban.

I was clearly responding to your post about a scenario in which a Taliban ruled pakistan were to gun for Kashmir. Using this to say that I advocate genocide of pakistanis is totally dishonest of you.

[Ram]

Very mature.The context in which I advocated bombing a Taliban ruled, nuke nude pakistan was if the Taliban aim for Kashmir. You are clearly being dishonest when you claim that my post about bombing pakistan was in a vacuum.

BS, here's your Quote again for everyone to see again;

With the Taliban ruling over pakistan, that country would be left without nukes (USA would remove them) and possibly an airforce or a proper army. India would be able to bomb away with impunity in pakistan without any international pressure or retaliation. Right now the paki nukes and weapons along with international pressure have tied our hands. There wont be any such restraints against the Taliban.

You clearly say the Pakistani nukes and international pressure are the only ones that have ‘tied’ our hands at the moment, meaning, if Pakistan didn’t have nukes and we could stave off international pressure, You would bomb Pakistan today. Where in your post do you even mention that these strikes would be in retaliation against Taliban attacks in Kashmir or India? You only say 'With Taliban ruling over Pakistan and that country having no nukes', we could just go in.. I said this before and I say it again, If Lurker’s assertion that Indians should diversify into other areas makes him a ‘RACIST’ in your view, then calling for blanket bombing of Pakistan makes you a vehement advocate of Genocide, mass murder and slaughter of innocent civilians!

[seedhi]

BS, here's your Quote again for everyone to see again; You clearly say the Pakistani nukes and international pressure are the only ones that have ‘tied’ our hands at the moment, meaning, if Pakistan didn’t have nukes and we could stave off international pressure, You would bomb Pakistan today. Where in your post do you even mention that these strikes would be in retaliation against Taliban attacks in Kashmir or India? I said this before and I say it again, If Lurker’s assertion that Indians should diversify into other areas makes him a ‘RACIST’ in your view, then calling for blanket bombing of Pakistan makes you a vehement advocate of Genocide, mass murder and slaughter of innocent civilians!

Do you even read what I write? Come on man, quit playing dumb. This post of mine that you are talking about,

With the Taliban ruling over pakistan' date=' that country would be left without nukes (USA would remove them) and possibly an airforce or a proper army. India would be able to bomb away with impunity in pakistan without any international pressure or retaliation. Right now the paki nukes and weapons along with international pressure have tied our hands. There wont be any such restraints against the Taliban.[/quote'] WAS IN RESPONSE to this post of yours,

2) In your assertion' date=' you speak as though the rise of Taliban in Pakistan is a good thing, which is sort of incredulous. Can you even imagine what would happen if the entire Pakistani nation of 140 million were to be under the control of radicalized elements? [b']Assuming they do manage to take control of Pakistan, do you know where they’re going to set their next sights on? Of course, it’d be Kashmir. So, rather than having to deal with some rogue elements within the current Pakistani establishment promoting Jihad in Kashmir, if the Taliban takes over Pakistan, we will now have an entire army of extremists gunning for Kashmir. Do you think that’s a good thing? For now, at least the Indian govt. can hope to negotiate and put pressure on the Pakistani govt. If that country is taken over by extremists, who will we talk to? The terrorists? And you know what they will say…? - ‘Eff you!’

. I quoted your post and responded to the scenario of a Taliban ruled pakistan causing trouble in Kashmir. This is what it looks like, link http://www.indiancricketfans.com/showthread.php?p=839265&highlight=bomb+away+with+impunity#post839265 .

2) In your assertion' date=' you speak as though the rise of Taliban in Pakistan is a good thing, which is sort of incredulous. Can you even imagine what would happen if the entire Pakistani nation of 140 million were to be under the control of radicalized elements? Assuming they do manage to take control of Pakistan, do you know where they’re going to set their next sights on? Of course, it’d be Kashmir. So, rather than having to deal with some rogue elements within the current Pakistani establishment promoting Jihad in Kashmir, if the Taliban takes over Pakistan, we will now have an entire army of extremists gunning for Kashmir. Do you think that’s a good thing? For now, at least the Indian govt. can hope to negotiate and put pressure on the Pakistani govt. If that country is taken over by extremists, who will we talk to? The terrorists? And you know what they will say…? - ‘Eff you!’[/quote']With the Taliban ruling over pakistan, that country would be left without nukes (USA would remove them) and possibly an airforce or a proper army. India would be able to bomb away with impunity in pakistan without any international pressure or retaliation. Right now the paki nukes and weapons along with international pressure have tied our hands. There wont be any such restraints against the Taliban.

At least be honest and acknowledge that my post was a response to your post about the Taliban in pakistan gunning for Kashmir. It was clearly a response: I quoted your post and responded beneath it.

[Ram]

At least be honest and acknowledge that my post was a response to your post about the Taliban in pakistan gunning for Kashmir. It was clearly a response: I quoted your post and responded beneath it.

I am being 100%. These are your own words.

With the Taliban ruling over pakistan, that country would be left without nukes (USA would remove them) and possibly an airforce or a proper army. India would be able to bomb away with impunity in pakistan without any international pressure or retaliation. Right now the paki nukes and weapons along with international pressure have tied our hands. There wont be any such restraints against the Taliban. /

I don’t see any reference to Taliban attacks on India, nor do I see any mention of the word ‘retaliation’. If given a situation where the current Pakistani govt. is toppled and Taliban comes to power, you’d clearly resort to pre-emptive, first strikes against the Taliban, irrespective of how many civilian casualties it causes.

[seedhi]

I am being 100%.

100% dishonest' date=' thats what you are being.

These are your own words. I don’t see any reference to Taliban attacks on India, nor do I see any mention of the word ‘retaliation’. If given a situation where the current Pakistani govt. is toppled and Taliban comes to power, you’d clearly resort to pre-emptive, first strikes against the Taliban, irrespective of how many civilian casualties it causes.

I dont see the words "pre-emptive", "first strike" anywhere in my post.

[Ram]

I dont see the words "pre-emptive", "first strike" anywhere in my post.

Well if saying ‘All we need is for Taliban to come to power and the world to de-nuclearise Pakistan. Then, we can just go in bomb targets at will’ is not ‘first-strike’ or ‘preemptive’, then what is it? 4th strike that are retaliatory? Its your own words man!

[seedhi]

Well if saying ‘All we need is for Taliban to come to power and the world to de-nuclearise Pakistan. Then, we can just go in bomb targets at will’ is not ‘first-strike’ or ‘preemptive’, then what is it? 4th strike that are retaliatory? Its your own words man!

I will again say that this is what the post looked like. Any unbiased person can figure out what I meant for himself/herself. link http://www.indiancricketfans.com/showthread.php?p=839265&highlight=bomb+away+with+impunity#post839265 .

2) In your assertion' date=' you speak as though the rise of Taliban in Pakistan is a good thing, which is sort of incredulous. Can you even imagine what would happen if the entire Pakistani nation of 140 million were to be under the control of radicalized elements? [b']Assuming they do manage to take control of Pakistan, do you know where they’re going to set their next sights on? Of course, it’d be Kashmir. So, rather than having to deal with some rogue elements within the current Pakistani establishment promoting Jihad in Kashmir, if the Taliban takes over Pakistan, we will now have an entire army of extremists gunning for Kashmir. Do you think that’s a good thing? For now, at least the Indian govt. can hope to negotiate and put pressure on the Pakistani govt. If that country is taken over by extremists, who will we talk to? The terrorists? And you know what they will say…? - ‘Eff you!’

With the Taliban ruling over pakistan, that country would be left without nukes (USA would remove them) and possibly an airforce or a proper army. India would be able to bomb away with impunity in pakistan without any international pressure or retaliation. Right now the paki nukes and weapons along with international pressure have tied our hands. There wont be any such restraints against the Taliban.

[Ram]

I will again say that this is what the post looked like. Any unbiased person can figure out what I meant for himself/herself. link http://www.indiancricketfans.com/showthread.php?p=839265&highlight=bomb+away+with+impunity#post839265 .

I would have absolutely let go off your post if you had said ‘Assuming the Taliban comes to power, the nukes were removed from their arsenal, if the Taliban indulges in terror strikes within the sovereign border of India, including Kashmir, then the Indian govt. fully reserves the right of targeted, surgical strikes at Taliban camps and strongholds within Pakistan’. In fact, I support that stand. But that’s not what you said. You clearly said ‘The only thing that is tying our hands at the moment is Pakistani nukes and world pressure. If Taliban comes to power and the world removes it nukes, then that would give carte blanche license to bomb Pakistan night and day, without discrimination’. Those are the words right out of your mouth, there’s no room for any misinterpretation. Nowhere in your post is any mention of Taliban attacks on India, nor is there a even a minute concern of civilian casualties and that’s pathetic!

[seedhi]

I would have absolutely let go off your post if you had said ‘Assuming the Taliban comes to power, the nukes were removed from their arsenal, if the Taliban indulges in terror strikes within the sovereign border of India, including Kashmir, then the Indian govt. fully reserves the right of targeted, surgical strikes at Taliban camps and strongholds within Pakistan’. In fact, I support that stand. But that’s not what you said. You clearly said ‘The only thing that is tying our hands at the moment is Pakistani nukes and world pressure. If Taliban comes to power and the world removes it nukes, then that would give carte blanche license to bomb Pakistan night and day, without discrimination’. Those are the words right out of your mouth, there’s no room for any misinterpretation. Nowhere in your post is any mention of Taliban attacks on India, nor is there a even a minute concern of civilian casualties and that’s pathetic!

Since you keep repeating the same misinterpretation of what I wrote, I will again reinterate that my post was in response to the specific situation outlined in your query and the context is clear from that. Again this is what it looked like, and is clear enough for anyone to discern. link http://www.indiancricketfans.com/showthread.php?p=839265&highlight=bomb+away+with+impunity#post839265 .

2) In your assertion' date=' you speak as though the rise of Taliban in Pakistan is a good thing, which is sort of incredulous. Can you even imagine what would happen if the entire Pakistani nation of 140 million were to be under the control of radicalized elements? [b']Assuming they do manage to take control of Pakistan, do you know where they’re going to set their next sights on? Of course, it’d be Kashmir. So, rather than having to deal with some rogue elements within the current Pakistani establishment promoting Jihad in Kashmir, if the Taliban takes over Pakistan, we will now have an entire army of extremists gunning for Kashmir. Do you think that’s a good thing? For now, at least the Indian govt. can hope to negotiate and put pressure on the Pakistani govt. If that country is taken over by extremists, who will we talk to? The terrorists? And you know what they will say…? - ‘Eff you!’

With the Taliban ruling over pakistan, that country would be left without nukes (USA would remove them) and possibly an airforce or a proper army. India would be able to bomb away with impunity in pakistan without any international pressure or retaliation. Right now the paki nukes and weapons along with international pressure have tied our hands. There wont be any such restraints against the Taliban.

[Ram]

Since you keep repeating the same misinterpretation of what I wrote, I will again reinterate that my post was in response to the specific situation outlined in your query and the context is clear from that. Again this is what it looked like, and is clear enough for anyone to discern. link http://www.indiancricketfans.com/sho...ity#post839265 .

More shameless dodging. For the umpteenth time, here’s your own words;

With the Taliban ruling over pakistan, that country would be left without nukes (USA would remove them) and possibly an airforce or a proper army. India would be able to bomb away with impunity in pakistan without any international pressure or retaliation. Right now the paki nukes and weapons along with international pressure have tied our hands. There wont be any such restraints against the Taliban

The bolded part is the obvious giveaway. You clearly say that the only thing that is holding us back at the moment is Pakistani nukes and world pressure , meaning, if Taliban comes to power today and the world confiscates it nukes, you would IMMEDIATELY bomb Pakistan. There’s absolutely no reference to Taliban terror attacks in India in your post.

[seedhi]

More shameless dodging. For the umpteenth time, here’s your own words; The bolded part is the obvious giveaway. You clearly say that the only thing that is holding us back at the moment is Pakistani nukes and world pressure , meaning, if Taliban comes to power today and the world confiscates it nukes, you would IMMEDIATELY bomb Pakistan. There’s absolutely no reference to Taliban terror attacks in India in your post.

Again dishonesty from you. The reference to Taliban terror attacks in India is in your query which my post quoted and responded to. Again this is what my post looked like. It does quote your query as a reference for Taliban gunning for Kashmir to which it responds. Clear for anyone to discern. link http://www.indiancricketfans.com/showthread.php?p=839265&highlight=bomb+away+with+impunity#post839265 .

2) In your assertion' date=' you speak as though the rise of Taliban in Pakistan is a good thing, which is sort of incredulous. Can you even imagine what would happen if the entire Pakistani nation of 140 million were to be under the control of radicalized elements? [b']Assuming they do manage to take control of Pakistan, do you know where they’re going to set their next sights on? Of course, it’d be Kashmir. So, rather than having to deal with some rogue elements within the current Pakistani establishment promoting Jihad in Kashmir, if the Taliban takes over Pakistan, we will now have an entire army of extremists gunning for Kashmir. Do you think that’s a good thing? For now, at least the Indian govt. can hope to negotiate and put pressure on the Pakistani govt. If that country is taken over by extremists, who will we talk to? The terrorists? And you know what they will say…? - ‘Eff you!’

With the Taliban ruling over pakistan, that country would be left without nukes (USA would remove them) and possibly an airforce or a proper army. India would be able to bomb away with impunity in pakistan without any international pressure or retaliation. Right now the paki nukes and weapons along with international pressure have tied our hands. There wont be any such restraints against the Taliban.

[Jadoo]

MM please post link to the thread where you have pulled quote as Seedhi has done so with his.

[Ram]

Again dishonesty from you. The reference to Taliban terror attacks in India is in your query which my post quoted and responded to. Again this is what my post looked like. It does quote your query as a reference for Taliban gunning for Kashmir to which it responds. Clear for anyone to discern. link http://www.indiancricketfans.com/showthread.php?p=839265&highlight=bomb+away+with+impunity#post839265 .

More lies. Your theme of unilateral attacks on Pakistan If the Taliban takes over that country was prevalent long before I ever brought up the prospects of Taliban sponsored terror attacks on India. Now, that I have exposed you as champion of genocide/mass murder, the fictitious justifications are beginning to appear from nowhere. Here’s you in post #82 of that thread;

On a personal level, I dont want India to go to war over PoK at least for now, but if pakistan disintegrates or is hopefully taken over by Taliban, then India should not hesitate to capture at least parts of PoK to make the border more manageable. This should have been done in 1971 itself, when Indira Gandhi released 90,000 PoWs for nothing in exchange except for empty promises. But for this to be a possibility, India needs to keep its claim on PoK intact.

The theme is so obviously glaring – Seedhi cannot wait for the current Pakistan govt. to topple and the world to de-nuke Pakistan. If that happens, he wouldn’t hesitate to go at war with Pakistan unilaterally and pre-emptively. How much longer are you going to try to defend that indefensible position of yours man?

[Ram]

MM please post link to the thread where you have pulled quote as Seedhi has done so with his.

Trust me dude, every excerpt of all the quotes that I have posted are 100% genuine and authentic and have not been altered/modified in any manner. Besides, the link to that thread is here anyway, so you can always go there and cross-check.

[Guest Gunner]

^^I don't exactly see the problem here. If preemptive first strikes on Pakistan saved millions of lives in India wouldn't you do it?

[seedhi]

More lies. Your theme of unilateral attacks on Pakistan If the Taliban takes over that country was prevalent long before I ever brought up the prospects of Taliban sponsored terror attacks on India. Now, that I have exposed you as champion of genocide/mass murder, the fictitious justifications are beginning to appear from nowhere. Here’s you in post #82 of that thread; The theme is so obviously glaring – Seedhi cannot wait for the current Pakistan govt. to topple and the world to de-nuke Pakistan. If that happens, he wouldn’t hesitate to go at war with Pakistan unilaterally and pre-emptively. How much longer are you going to try to defend that indefensible position of yours man?

What is so indefensible about my position? PoK is OUR TERRITORY, it DOES NOT BELONG TO PAKISTAN! We have all the right to retake it or parts of it. Just to refresh your memory, in 1984 India launched Operation Meghdoot to capture unoccupied territory which was also claimed by pakistan. We had the opportunity and we captured Siachen about which pakistan cries till this day. Similarly in the future if the opportunity arises to retake PoK or parts of it, I am sure the Indian govt will not hesitate to retake whatever is feasible.