triam Posted July 31, 2011 Posted July 31, 2011 After Religion, the next stupid thing is patriotism IMO, people should feel free to support who they want where they want how they want. After all it is a sporting event, and if there is a conflict between 2 countries, try to support the one that is doing the right thing regardless of nationalities (it is tough to know most of the times who is right and who is not). This is what I really believe in.
daryl1985 Posted July 31, 2011 Posted July 31, 2011 Youre argument makes absolutely no sense. On the one hand you are saying if you are born in country A you should always support country A. However in the case of KP and Hargraves who were both born in SA and Canada lived there the majority of their lives you think they should be repatriated and play for the country one of their parents come from. This is just off the top of my head i could get you another 15 examples of players from India Ireland Wales etc all that played for England. Hypocritical at all? Oh and Tony the grovelling Grieg was 100% south african. I have never said that your should support the country your are born in. I have always maintained that people have a choice to either supporting the country they were born in or supporting the country of their parent's birth (i also think that someone should be allowed to play for a country other than one they were born in if at least one of their parents is from that country). KP and Hargreaves are both half English and IMO they should be allowed to play for ENgland by virtue that one of their parents is from England. I don't have a real problem with KP playing for England but as i have said many times before i do not like the fact that Jonathan Trott (celebrated with the South African team after they won the series in 2008), Craig Kieswetter (has a Scottish mum) and Eoin Morgan (nothing to do with England and probably wants England to lose at football and rugby like 90% of Irish people) play for England.
surajmal Posted July 31, 2011 Posted July 31, 2011 After Religion, the next stupid thing is patriotism IMO, people should feel free to support who they want where they want how they want. After all it is a sporting event, and if there is a conflict between 2 countries, try to support the one that is doing the right thing regardless of nationalities (it is tough to know most of the times who is right and who is not). This is what I really believe in. In a Pakistan vs. India war, who is the right party? And are you a registered CPM member?
triam Posted July 31, 2011 Posted July 31, 2011 In a Pakistan vs. India war, who is the right party? And are you a registered CPM member? Lol, no I am as far away from communism as you could possibly imagine.
surajmal Posted July 31, 2011 Posted July 31, 2011 Lol' date=' no I am as far away from communism as you could possibly imagine.[/quote'] anyways, in response to your previous post; There are no rights and wrongs in this world. There are only haves and have nots. Winners write the history and Losers go whining to their graves. Simply put, Guy with the biggest stick wins. This should be most clear to Indians as our country has been raped and pillaged by unrighteous bastards for the last 800 years.
triam Posted July 31, 2011 Posted July 31, 2011 For that you have to define winning at an individual level for you what does it mean?
Brainfade Posted August 2, 2011 Posted August 2, 2011 After Religion, the next stupid thing is patriotism IMO, people should feel free to support who they want where they want how they want. After all it is a sporting event, and if there is a conflict between 2 countries, try to support the one that is doing the right thing regardless of nationalities (it is tough to know most of the times who is right and who is not). This is what I really believe in. A twist on this perspective: I call this "separation of sports and state." We all need to realize that sports teams do not really represent a nation. They are not fighting for freedom, liberty or security; they are just there to entertain. Once that is clear, things become easy. An Indian citizen has a patriotic responsibility to protect his/her nation; that responsibility transcends coloring yourself in saffron, white and green and yelling "Chak De India" in a stadium. Patriotism is what one of the posters here did - ran to the hospital and donated blood right after the 7/13 blasts. It was symbolic how many folks in the US flew the the flag after 9/11, and yelled "Freedom is not free," but how many of them actually *did* something substantive? Bottom line? If an Indian wants to yell in support of Pakistan's cricketers because he is a fan of ... gulp ... Kamran Akmal, so be it; as long as he will pick up a rifle and go fight for his country if it is ever needed. Now to the question: "which country is doing the right thing?" The public does not really know. Do you trust the media to give it to you straight? Do you expect politicians' speeches to guide you? Politicians make decisions to go to war, to withdraw troops, to put men and women in harms way; but rarely are these decisions made with altruism, humanism or even true patriotism. They are made based on greed and a desire for prestige, control & political expediency. What do you do then?
triam Posted August 2, 2011 Posted August 2, 2011 A twist on this perspective: I call this "separation of sports and state." We all need to realize that sports teams do not really represent a nation. They are not fighting for freedom, liberty or security; they are just there to entertain. Once that is clear, things become easy. An Indian citizen has a patriotic responsibility to protect his/her nation; that responsibility transcends coloring yourself in saffron, white and green and yelling "Chak De India" in a stadium. Patriotism is what one of the posters here did - ran to the hospital and donated blood right after the 7/13 blasts. It was symbolic how many folks in the US flew the the flag after 9/11, and yelled "Freedom is not free," but how many of them actually *did* something substantive? Bottom line? If an Indian wants to yell in support of Pakistan's cricketers because he is a fan of ... gulp ... Kamran Akmal, so be it; as long as he will pick up a rifle and go fight for his country if it is ever needed. Now to the question: "which country is doing the right thing?" The public does not really know. Do you trust the media to give it to you straight? Do you expect politicians' speeches to guide you? Politicians make decisions to go to war, to withdraw troops, to put men and women in harms way; but rarely are these decisions made with altruism, humanism or even true patriotism. They are made based for greed and a desire for prestige, control & political expediency. What do you do then? Good qns cricaddict, donating blood after a catastrophe - I would not call it patriotism, I would call it humanitarian, would not you agree? If you are visiting a country and there is a catastrophe wouldnt you still donate blood there? The reason I spoke about religion and country the same way is because, in both the cases you are born into it (yes people convert religions or change citizenships but that percentage is pretty low.) A country as opposed to a religion does provide you with some concrete material benefits, so in essence there is a contract between you and your country which can be summed up as "I will respect your law of the land, I will try to protect you in case of any calamities and in return for that you take care of me when I need help, provide me basic necessities, ways to earn a livelihood and maintain law and order" The last part of my post, support who is right, yes I agree with you more often than not you dont know everything, or know the wrong things, so is it not better, not to support any violent activities(which may cause blood shed and loss of innoncent peoples lives) until and unless you personally are convinced that there is right behind you (some times it is a no brainer, more often than not it is not).
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