Sir john Posted November 2, 2011 Posted November 2, 2011 Summarily ruling out the possibility of China engineering a 'Kargil-type' misadventure along the Indian border, government sources in New Delhi [ Images ] said on Wednesday that Chinese incursions into Indian territory have progressively decreased over the last five years. "The Army says it (Kargil-type attack by China) is out of the question and that it can handle it," a top government source said. "Why would they make trouble? What will they gain that substantially outweighs the losses they could incur? The capabilities of India [ Images ] and China have vastly increased over time and no one is crazy enough to spark off a confrontation," he said. He was speaking in the backdrop of a report by strategic affairs think-tank Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses which suggested that it is conceivable that China could do a Kargil [ Images ] on India 'to teach India a lesson' and that it could be a 'limited war'. The report -- titled 'A Consideration of Sino Indian Conflict' -- projected conflict scenarios between India and China. While admitting that India did have big issues with China such as the boundary issue, et cetera, the fears of a full-fledged conflict were unfounded. "That is actually our most peaceful border. Since October 10, 1975, no one has died on the border, not a single shot has been fired in anger. . . so we can't say there is tension along the Sino-Indian border," the source said. On the decreasing Chinese incursions into the Indian territory, the source said that there is a pattern to what happens. Both sides have different perceptions of where the line is, thus once a year both go to the area, paint a rock, so to speak, and show their presence. Direct discussions with the Chinese have been on-going and a process to find a peaceful solution to the vexed issues too is on. Touching upon the issue of 'stapled visas', the source said that it was quite like 'painting a rock' for it offended one's pride more than anything else, but "now we have found a solution and regular visas are being issued". Coming back to the border issue, which is the biggest issue that India and China have with each other, he said that it is a long-term matter but the situation has been handled well. "The issue hasn't been settled, but is being managed well," he said. In the recent past China has 'warned' New Delhi over energy-hungry India's oil-exploration bids along the Vietnamese coast and into the South China Sea claiming sovereignty on the waters. Dismissing China's 'threat' over the issue, the government source said, "We have been doing this since 1988 and will continue to do it. High seas should be open for navigation and as for commercial explorations there is an international law and an international commission which will decide what is to be done." http://www.rediff.com/news/report/a-kargil-type-attack-by-china-is-out-of-question-india/20111102.htm
Sir john Posted November 29, 2011 Author Posted November 29, 2011 India keeping tabs on Chinese activity along LAC: Antony The growing Chinese aggressiveness and rapid improvement in its infrastructure alongside India has caught the attention of the Members of Parliament. The Defence Ministry, yesterday in its written replies to queries, assured the Lok Sabha that a constant watch was being kept on China using all methods. A constant review was also being carried out of the threat to India. The replies came after MPs, cutting across party lines, questioned China’s infrastructure, on the manner India was keeping a watch on its neighbour and even our own lackadaisical road construction at the front. Each of the questions had more than 30 MPs questioning the ministry. From the region, Navjot Sidhu (BJP) and Partap Bajwa (Congress) were among those who had sent in the questions. In the past month, there has been extensive news reporting, including in The Tribune, about growing Chinese assertiveness along the Line of Actual Control (LAC), especially in the eastern Ladakh sector. The LAC is not delineated and China has been building airfields, roads and watch towers on its side. India had set up sophisticated equipment and stationed its troops, but a lot needs to be done. The ministry today assured, “The government is closely monitoring all developments in our immediate and extended neighbourhood.” It admitted that there was no delineated LAC between India and China. There are a few areas along the border where India and China have different perceptions of LAC. Both sides patrol up to their respective perceptions of LAC due to the perceived differences in alignment of LAC. “Areas along the LAC are kept under constant surveillance by regular patrolling by troops and other means,” the ministry said. Defence Minister AK Antony said, “All developments on the borders are being watched and a review of the threat perception is being done regularly, he added.
achilles Posted November 30, 2011 Posted November 30, 2011 "Army can handle it". Yeah right. They couldn't handle Pakistani's.
surajmal Posted November 30, 2011 Posted November 30, 2011 "Army can handle it". Yeah right. They couldn't handle Pakistani's. when did army flub against the pakis?
achilles Posted November 30, 2011 Posted November 30, 2011 when did army flub against the pakis? Kargil. We shouldn't have lost a fecking soldier for chrissake. Who is responsible for the families who lost their breadwinners because some dumb feck made an error and thought the air force couldn't be used to destroy the Pakistani's? I'm done with our soldiers being "sacrificed". They walk into the corridors of death and I can't tolerate that.
achilles Posted November 30, 2011 Posted November 30, 2011 The day the Chinese attack, we are done, as the Superiors will be busy playing politics over the phone with the politicians while the Vikram Batra's die.
surajmal Posted November 30, 2011 Posted November 30, 2011 Kargil. We shouldn't have lost a fecking soldier for chrissake. Who is responsible for the families who lost their breadwinners because some dumb feck made an error and thought the air force couldn't be used to destroy the Pakistani's? I'm done with our soldiers being "sacrificed". They walk into the corridors of death and I can't tolerate that. It was the government's call to not cross the LOC (to present a case to the international community). So army was caught in a rock and a hard place. As for soldiers dying. Well Army hasn't been allowed to purchase new artillery guns since the bofors scandal. Who is to be blamed for that (and other delayed procurement programs)? Politicians are the cancer. From where I stand, Army (and armed forces as a whole) is the only professional organization in this country. They do the best they can with the resources at hand.
surajmal Posted November 30, 2011 Posted November 30, 2011 The day the Chinese attack' date=' we are done, as the Superiors will be busy playing politics over the phone with the politicians while the Vikram Batra's die.[/quote'] China would never attack head on (they've got too much to lose). Rather, they will continue to fund their proxy, Pakiland, to piss and bleed India.
Tiger80 Posted December 1, 2011 Posted December 1, 2011 :hitler::hitler: Sir John How dare you posted thread on China .Don't you know all Rights to post China related threads on ICF are with me
achilles Posted December 1, 2011 Posted December 1, 2011 It was the government's call to not cross the LOC (to present a case to the international community). So army was caught in a rock and a hard place. As for soldiers dying. Well Army hasn't been allowed to purchase new artillery guns since the bofors scandal. Who is to be blamed for that (and other delayed procurement programs)? Politicians are the cancer. From where I stand, Army (and armed forces as a whole) is the only professional organization in this country. They do the best they can with the resources at hand. Lets try explaining that to a Mother who lost her son, a wife who lost her husband, children who lost their father. As for the acquisition, I think its time our army got independent command. This kind posturing is intolerable. China would never attack head on (they've got too much to lose). Rather' date=' they will continue to fund their proxy, Pakiland, to piss and bleed India.[/quote'] What are we doing to get back at them? We don't even have a kayfabe base in Taiwan.
surajmal Posted December 1, 2011 Posted December 1, 2011 Lets try explaining that to a Mother who lost her son, a wife who lost her husband, children who lost their father. As for the acquisition, I think its time our army got independent command. This kind posturing is intolerable. What are we doing to get back at them? We don't even have a kayfabe base in Taiwan. I'm not disagreeing with you regarding the general neglect that politicians have towards this nations finest. And its not just the politicians. I get the feeling that outside of the recruitment hotbeds like and punjab and haryana, the general populace doesn't care much about the conditions of the soldiers either. Its a shame really. As for the second point, India's budget can't support foreign bases, as of yet. What ever China does, India has wildcard up its sleeve i.e. Dalai Lama. Also his successor is likely to come from Arunachal Pradesh. RAW also established SFF, comprised mostly of tibetan origin indians, after 1962. So in case of conflict acquiring Tibet shouldn't be complicated.
achilles Posted December 1, 2011 Posted December 1, 2011 I'm not disagreeing with you regarding the general neglect that politicians have towards this nations finest. And its not just the politicians. I get the feeling that outside of the recruitment hotbeds like and punjab and haryana, the general populace doesn't care much about the conditions of the soldiers either. Its a shame really. As for the second point, India's budget can't support foreign bases, as of yet. What ever China does, India has wildcard up its sleeve i.e. Dalai Lama. Also his successor is likely to come from Arunachal Pradesh. RAW also established SFF, comprised mostly of tibetan origin indians, after 1962. So in case of conflict acquiring Tibet shouldn't be complicated. I know about the SFF. Infact, I had even posted about it a few months back on ICF. We do have the Dalai Lama, but we are not leveraging the advantage the way we should.
surajmal Posted December 1, 2011 Posted December 1, 2011 I know about the SFF. Infact' date=' I had even posted about it a few months back on ICF. We do have the Dalai Lama, but we are not leveraging the advantage the way we should.[/quote'] We are not in an economic position to do anything when it comes to China. Gotta a wait atleast another decade for a more proactive foreign policy. As far the as the armed forces are concerned, while Air force is modernizing it is still a decade away from posing a significant threat to china. Navy is the important factor (and we aren't doing enough here). Sub fleet has been shrinking and the surface fleet isn't anything to write home about either. INS viraat will soon retire and while navy should get the vikramaditya towards the end of next year as well INS vikrant couple of years after that, a lot more needs to be done. I'm not advocating a need for a true blue water navy (ala US) but Indian ocean is our backyard... In case of a provocation, it will be the navy that will play the most important part by blocking malacca straits. Army is truly fvcked when it comes to modernization. It would be funny if it wasn't a serious situation. I kid you not; the Artillery procurement (as well as development) has a been a series of mindnumbing fvckups that even three stooges would be proud of.
Sir john Posted December 2, 2011 Author Posted December 2, 2011 someone tell me that there was a treaty with china that india will develop Sikkim in 50 years after 1961 war, 50 years are over.Sikkim still underdeveloped.i see a war coming.
arun81 Posted December 2, 2011 Posted December 2, 2011 someone tell me that there was a treaty with china that india will develop Sikkim in 50 years after 1961 war, 50 years are over.Sikkim still underdeveloped.i see a war coming. ^^^ What BS !!! Could you give some reliable source for the above ?
Sir john Posted December 2, 2011 Author Posted December 2, 2011 ^^^ What BS !!! Could you give some reliable source for the above ? its reliable source,101% accurate.
arun81 Posted December 4, 2011 Posted December 4, 2011 its reliable source' date='101% accurate.[/quote'] Who is the source ? Rakhi Sawant ?
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