Patiala Peg Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 ^^ Good writeup by Bumper. But his bottomlineBumper: Just look around competitive sports & you will see this in almost every sport - the gap between the modern greats and their rivals is closing. It is simply impossible for modern sportsmen to achieve the kind of domination over their peers that oldies managed. But it is factually incorrect In Tennis, which is a far far more competitive global sport Federer was unstoppable till like 3 years ago. And mind you, a top flight tennis player's career is generally no more than 10-12 years or a little over half of a top flight batter. Federer won some 13 grand slams in 6 years between 2003-2008 which is more than half of the grand slams played for 6 years !! He also created the world record for maximum consecutive weeks of No.1 rankings. If this is not domination, what is ! So it is perhaps incorrect of Bumper to say that modern sportsmen cannot achieve the domination of oldies. And I am sure there are alot of other Olympic level sports where the once in many a generation athletes well and truely dominate the field as much as oldies ever did or more than that ! Michael Phelps and Usain Bolt come to mind immediately. Link to comment
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zen Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Happy new year to BB,Lurker,Rett and other reguler contributers to this thread...Let us bring new new logics for new year.. Bhagawantha nimmanella chennagittirali :two_thumbs_up: New logic is pretty simple: No one (except the SRT fanatics) really cares if SRT>Lara or Lara > SRT as long as it is assumed that someone like DBG is in a league of his own Link to comment
zen Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Yeah Chucktar has to be removed. And Walsh, Steyn need to be included. SRT thus averages 42.40 against the 8 ATG fast bowlers of his time. Lara IIRC averages about the same against the 5 ATGs he faced-McG/Akram/Waqar/Pollock/Donald. EDIT: Just checked. Lara averages a gargantuan 0.33 runs more than Sachin against the ATG phaaast bowlers he faced. Hence Lara>SRT. Case closed. Guys like Steyn should not be taken into account when comparing Lara vs SRT as we mainly have to take bowlers that both of them faced. 2008 onwards is mainly for the new crop of batsmen when we will be doing this for folks 10 yrs later Also if we take the new crop of bowlers, SRR vs other Indian batsmen: Vs steyn-morkel, murali-mendis, anderson-board M I No R Avg Gautam 12 22 0 1135 51.59 Sehwag 15 27 1 1339 51.50 Dravid 15 28 3 1187 47.48 Sachin 15 27 2 963 38.52 Laxman 16 28 3 941 37.64 Taking bowlers that mainly both Lara and Tendulkar played, with two best from each team playing (to signify the strength of the bowling attack), we get the below: M I No R Avg BCLara 36 68 3 3370 51.85 sWaugh 42 66 7 2745 46.53 Inzama 33 56 3 2365 44.62 Anwar 20 33 0 1402 42.48 Sachin 29 49 1 2020 42.08 mWaugh 39 63 2 2408 39.48 Flower 24 44 7 1396 37.73 Dravid 33 58 4 2034 37.67 vs Aus: w/ McGrath and Warne vs Pak: w/ Wasim and Waqar vs SA: w/ Donald and Pollock vs SL: w/ Murali and Vaas vs WI: w/ Ambrose and Walsh Link to comment
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zen Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 sehwag vs srt Vs steyn-morkel and murali-mendis M I No R Avg Sehwag 12 21 1 1281 64.05 Sachin 10 17 2 674 44.93 Link to comment
SachDan Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 rett dude do you even watch cricket? you're so similar to a padosi poster who spends all his time number-crunching exercise..at least that guy was honest enough to admit it. Link to comment
Andrew Peter Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 sehwag vs srt Vs steyn-morkel and murali-mendis M I No R Avg Sehwag 12 21 1 1281 64.05 Sachin 10 17 2 674 44.93 Ok now Steyn-morkel and Broad -Anderson only for srt v/s shewag ? Link to comment
zen Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 rett dude do you even watch cricket? you're so similar to a padosi poster who spends all his time number-crunching exercise..at least that guy was honest enough to admit it. I hv similar thoughts for srt fanatics, who I rate < padosi posters Link to comment
zen Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Ok now Steyn-morkel and Broad -Anderson only for srt v/s shewag ? read properly, including other posts and understand the context .... as i said dont mumble jumble :--D Link to comment
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zen Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 And this has vaat to do with SRT vs DGB ? :hmmm: :marchmellow: There is no srt vs dbg period you cannot even prove that srt is in the league of his own amongst laras, richards, sobers, .... Link to comment
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SachDan Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 There is no srt vs dbg period you cannot even prove that srt is in the league of his own amongst laras, richards, sobers, .... http://www.indiancricketfans.com/showpost.php?p=1763424&postcount=191 Now go back to your favourite statsguru and come up with another meaningless stat comparing SRT with another batsman..who knows it might be MoYo this time around lol Link to comment
zen Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 time to come out of the rock ... hell yeah there is SRT vs DGB ...Now what ? what else but folks like you keep getting pawned like "ghad toh aya nahin aur sher bhi gaya" and whats this got to do with pure cricketing skills ? :hmmm: Cue : BCL made n runs when the sun was shinning and x was bowling we all saw pure cricketing skiils in SL vs Murali-Mendis Link to comment
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zen Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 http://www.indiancricketfans.com/showpost.php?p=1763424&postcount=191 Now go back to your favourite statsguru and come up with another meaningless stat comparing SRT with another batsman..who knows it might be MoYo this time around lol you have the nack of picking some of the dumbest things said and presenting it as if it makes sense .... only guys who would agree with you are likes of Sachinism, xyzs, trqansparants of the world, whose existence means little :giggle: earlier too, you had asked me to responds to some dumb stats which had been addressed to and what was interesting was that one of the quotes was suggesting that bowling stats were not all and while the other was suggesting srt to be better on some cherry picked criteria .... I can understand your enthusiasm to show how wrong the rett dude is but at least use some brains and hv the sense to know that you should not posts stats that basically cancel out each other w/o even me responding anyways, keep going .... there is a reason why the world has fanatics Link to comment
SachDan Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 we all saw pure cricketing skiils in SL vs Murali-Mendis yeh andhe Mendis made his test debut more than a year after Lara's retirement. Link to comment
zen Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 you forgot the doggy with its tail between the legs :winky: so the last time when Bradman faced a Muraliesque bowler in Ind/SL was when and what was the no.of runs scored ? ohhh wait I know the answer : Big fat ZIPPO, SHUNYA, NADA, ZILCH, SIFAR,MINDA,POOJI , AANDA :cantstop: :hysterical: Likes of sachdan will agree with your post above and even think it is a great response :hysterical: Link to comment
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