Ranji Trophy is Sh!te, it breeds mediocre and mentally weak players

[jairamesh]

First innings only: Batting: 1 point for 250, 275, 300, 325 and 350, making 5 points max Bowling: 1 point for 2, 4, 6, 8 and 10 wickets making 5 points max An outright win gives you an EXTRA 14 points. Draw 3 points each team Example; Team A: 330 all out and 229 Team B: 380-7 dec and 110-4 Points: Team A 11 points (5 batting, 3 bowling and 3 drawn match) Points: Team B 13 points (5 bowling, 5 batting and 3 match drawn) Had Team B chased successfully then they would have 24 points (14 for win plus 10 batting and bowling). Team A would have got just 8 points.

+1 :two_thumbs_up: This is exactly the type of system that needs to be in place to stop breeding this conservative bull sh!t of approach to Test cricket, which is fantastically being displayed by our captain "cool" Mahi's innovative Ranji tactics. A system that breeds more Kapil Devs than pansy daisies like Ishant Sharma. PS: Indian cricket's biggest failure (and shame) has been not to produce a player even close enough to match Kapil in his twilight years. Just adding Kapil Dev to current test side would change the face, nature, and competitiveness of the team.

[the_indian_fan]

1 suggestion is to have ipl teams playing domestic cricket as well. already we have seen players wearing their ipl franchise helmets in the challenger trophy & ranji trophy. with the ipl franchises themselves playing the ranji trophy, the players wouldnt be so confused. also the bollywood involvement from ipl should be kicked out. the filmi teams usually finish in the bottom in the ipl, so with the ownership change, they would improve and with ipl teams now playing ranji trophy, the amount of money offered to the indian players would now depend on their performances across all 3 formats, so players who are more suited to test cricket, would develop their test match skills in the ranji trophy & still get paid heavily without having to turn to 20/20 sloggers although the ranji trophy would now include the ipl franchises, with the packed calender, getting foreign players wouldnt be possible. but if possible, each team should be allowed to field 1(or maybe even 2) foreign players

[jairamesh]

the sh*tiness of this so called "first class" Ranji trophy continues. On an absolute flat track, zero wickets fallen, and batsmen put on only 200 odd, at 2.45! These f**kers will bat another three days and playout for a 1st innings lead, really this is the epitome of India's Test team is built on....sh!t.

[Silva]

they should just privatize it from bcci. quality of cricket would increase drastically.

[rajmarie]

The logic of winning on 1st innings lead should be abolished....& the points system should be simplified The win should be outright or its should be called a draw....& each team gets 1 point. For outright win...the winning team gets 3 points & losing team gets 0. This will keep both teams in a chance still. In case of a tie at the top.....besides the usual standing logic of if A beat B in the league then team A gets through over team B etc etc.....should be teams with better BOWLING AVERAGE & not useless Batting average on dead wickets. But we can all talk...the same has been happening forever...but BCCI has done nothing. I have already reduced the amount of cricket I watch.....& BCCI has a big part in that. Probably soon I will just check score...& "migrate" my live sports needs to other sports...which are run more professionally worldwide

[sumvell]

horrible ranji final till now. looks like a dead wicket....and thanks to BCCI, no telecast. only positive is that we have a batsman who is fit enough (not necessarily skilled enough) to bat for 2 days.

[rajmarie]

horrible ranji final till now. looks like a dead wicket....and thanks to BCCI' date=' no telecast. only positive is that we have a batsman who is fit enough (not necessarily skilled enough) to bat for 2 days.[/quote'] Lets not talk abt our domestic players fitness. he could have been batting for 2 days stats wise...but I am sure...he was day snoozing his way through it.

[1983-2011]

Points system in County Cricket: A team is awarded 16 points for a win, with each side earning eight points for a tie and three each for a drawn match. If the scores are level in a drawn match, the side batting in the fourth innings will score eight points with the opposing side picking up three points. Teams can also earn bonus points, regardless of the result, for performances in the first 110 overs of each first innings. Bonus points are awarded as follows: Batting 200 - 249 runs: 1 point 250 - 299 runs: 2 points 300 - 349 runs: 3 points 350 - 399 runs: 4 points 400 runs or over: 5 points Bowling 3 to 5 wickets taken: 1 point 6 to 8 wickets taken: 2 points 9 to 10 wickets taken: 3 points If a match is abandoned without a ball being bowled, then each side is awarded three points. Teams can also be deducted points for not bowling their overs at the required rate (16 overs per hour). For each over below the required rate, teams will be deducted one point from their Championship total - one point for one over, two points for two overs, etc. The team with the most points in Division One at the end of the season will win the County Championship, with teams level on points being separated by number of wins.

[Crookbond]

The case for a 12-team Ranji Trophy http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/550112.html

Two options present themselves before those who are supposed to love and cherish Indian cricket. They could take the easy way out and skim the surface, make cosmetic changes; drop a player here or there; pass the blame to the selectors, the IPL, the senior players, the captain; and wait for the tide to turn. Or they could view the results from England and Australia as a magnificent opportunity to introspect honestly. Both words are important, for if you don't introspect honestly, you merely benefit airlines, hotels and incapable people. The board could make the systemic changes that Indian cricket, like an orphaned child, has been crying out for. They could begin the process of trying to become No. 1 again, which, even if not always apparent, is not a bad objective. Critically, they could begin the process of transformation; from looking at profit-loss statements to win-loss statements. Inevitably the second takes care of the first. Top of the list, when it comes to looking for change, is intent. If you have it, nothing else matters, for paths present themselves. If you don't have it, you meander your way through, occasionally stumbling onto success but not recognising it well enough to build a home there. Let us then assume intent. The first priority is to produce ready cricketers, and therefore to search for the process most likely to produce them. The current system has worked in parts; some extraordinary players have been spotted and nurtured over the years. It is not a wicked system but it only works up to a point. Being consistently excellent seems to elude it. The key to any resurgence is not to seek to produce the best national team but the best set of players immediately below it. If your first-class system is strong, the national team is automatically strong; the unfashionable always comes first. You cannot produce great leaders without a sound moral base, and you cannot build the first floor without the foundation below it. An intensely competitive Ranji Trophy will automatically produce a sound national team. And so that is where we need to begin. And that is where we need to be armed with intent. Rather than have many teams playing many games, we need to have fewer teams playing more games. We currently have 27 teams split into Elite and Plate groups. It was an idea worth trying, but it is still too many teams and few know who plays in the Plate group anyway. There is a system of promotion and relegation, again sound in theory, but it does nothing to improve the quality of cricket. Hardly anyone in the Plate group, in spite of Rajasthan's fairytale, threatens to break into the national team. With 27 teams you should have had about eight fast bowlers, eight spinners and five wicketkeepers fighting to be in the national team. It is time to separate the wheat from the chaff. My 11 teams for the Ranji Trophy are Karnataka, Tamil Nadu, Andhra Pradesh (including Hyderabad), Maharashtra (including Mumbai), Gujarat (including Vadodara and Saurashtra), Central India (including Vidarbha, Madhya Pradesh and Jharkhand), Rajasthan, Delhi, Punjab, Uttar Pradesh and Bengal. And I think Railways deserve to be the 12th I suggest no more than 12 teams in the Ranji Trophy - and that means no Elite or Plate groups. Just 12 teams. I can hear objections about 27 associations, the need to spread the game as deep as possible, the organisational hurdles... but it is precisely by listening to such voices that Indian cricket has remained inconsistent. That is why intent must lead the way. Having 27 associations and teams is a decoy; it promises only numbers, not excellence. With 12 teams, you will get 11 first-class games each and that is good enough. It also means there is no room for the Duleep Trophy, the zonal first-class tournament that outlived its utility many years ago. The Duleep Trophy fills dates in a calendar; it does little else. It was meant to be a higher standard of cricket than the Ranji Trophy, but if you improve Ranji, the Duleep Trophy becomes redundant. It will mean merging some of the existing teams, and the major deterrents here are the vote at the annual general meeting and the grant each state body gets. Neither is necessarily conducive to producing great cricketers. Yes, you will lose some cricketers, but if the top 150 players in the country cannot produce a competitive national team then the top 400 won't. You cannot dilute a system to protect its non-performing assets. My first 11 teams for the Ranji Trophy are Karnataka, Tamil Nadu, Andhra Pradesh (including Hyderabad), Maharashtra (including Mumbai), Gujarat (including Vadodara and Saurashtra), Central India (including Vidarbha, Madhya Pradesh and Jharkhand), Rajasthan, Delhi, Punjab, Uttar Pradesh and Bengal. That leaves a 12th, and I think Railways, for their sheer determination and ability to fight the odds, and their commitment to employing cricketers, deserve to be the 12th, but with a share of the grant from the BCCI so they can look the other teams in the eye. It will mean no place for Kerala, Goa, Tripura, Assam, J&K, Himachal Pradesh, Haryana, Orissa and Services. But their recent contribution to Indian cricket has been negligible, so they must go into a catchment area. It is not discrimination, just a search for the best. Accordingly, the Ranji Trophy season could be played from mid-October to end-January, with maybe, only maybe, an Irani Trophy match immediately following, so that the best players in a season get rewarded in the same season. The scheduling will be a bit tricky since you will also need to play a 50-over game along with the Ranji game, but that is an area the BCCI has been pretty good at. After a little gap, I propose an A series against a visiting side, from mid-February to mid-March, which will allow a clear two to three weeks of rest before the IPL. June remains free for everyone and the best players then embark on an A tour in July to either Australia or England. Maybe the A tours at home and away can be in alternate years, to ensure the calendar isn't too packed. And to round it off, a month between mid-August and mid-September will be completely free. This is merely the draft of a thought process, but it will allow the Test players to play the first two or three games in the Ranji Trophy and will require the BCCI to ensure the itinerary they want. It shouldn't be difficult. There are many other issues. The composition of the selection committee - the most potent arm of Indian cricket - the direction the National Cricket Academy needs to take, the amount of international cricket, the clear window pre- and post-IPL, the quality of pitches, the training of Indian coaches, the appointment of a permanent manager, the right media partners, etc. If each of these is approached with intent as the guiding light, there cannot be darkness. Maybe thoughts next week on those. But Indian cricket has to move away from its obsession with the profit-loss statement and towards an obsession with a win-loss statement. Everything else will follow.

[VRV Singh]

the sh*tiness of this so called "first class" Ranji trophy continues. On an absolute flat track, zero wickets fallen, and batsmen put on only 200 odd, at 2.45! These f**kers will bat another three days and playout for a 1st innings lead, really this is the epitome of India's Test team is built on....sh!t.

:haha: Chopra was there. To be expected..