bulbul Posted April 5, 2014 Posted April 5, 2014 I wonder if people also disregard the previous Cobrapost expose of UIDAI scam on the similar grounds which they have now. Yes we do...do you wonder?
Crookbond Posted April 5, 2014 Posted April 5, 2014 Yes we do...do you wonder? Let me get this straight - you are disregarding the Cobrapost UIDAI scam against the Congress government because Cobrapost is a Congress stooge. Well played!
The Outsider Posted April 5, 2014 Posted April 5, 2014 Yeah, Cobrapost is a fake report. It was a spontaneous rising which led to the demolition of Babri Masjid. Fundamentalist Hindus get these spontaneous urges every few years like in '84, '92, '93, '02, '13. It is best to let them vent it out.
Precambrian Posted April 5, 2014 Posted April 5, 2014 Ah sod off. A ****ing building was destroyed. Yeah it's unfortunate. But to harp on it and xchluchive after twenty two ****ing years and wasting time on it, moronic and aimed at treating tge average Muslim as religious zealots. Heck twenty five percent maybe of the total voting populace might have been born after that. Lol. So bankrupt
The Outsider Posted April 5, 2014 Posted April 5, 2014 100% of the population was born after Babur allegedly destroyed a temple there. That doesn't stop the Sangh parivar from making it a core ideology.
Precambrian Posted April 5, 2014 Posted April 5, 2014 Lmao yeah blame Modi for everything from sangh pariwar the to your ceiling fan not working. And for future sins as well.
The Outsider Posted April 5, 2014 Posted April 5, 2014 Modi? Which post of mine refers to Modi regarding the Babri Masjid demolition?
Sachin=GOD Posted April 5, 2014 Posted April 5, 2014 Narendra Modi: A Brand without a product No one remembers Sanjay Agarwal’s Home Trade. People tend to forget things easily, and get conned even more easily. Home Trade was a company endorsed by some of the biggest celebrities in India- Shahrukh Khan, Sachin Tendulkar, Priyanka Chopra, Hrithik Roshan- with a signature line “Life Means More”. It had all the prime slots on TV channels- be it during the famous 2002 India-Aus Test series or the top Saas Bahu serials; Home Trade was the talk of the town. It became part of every conversation, from college canteens to the stock market; everyone wanted a piece of Home Trade. Bankers wanted to lend money to Agarwal’s company, consumers wanted to buy his products, and stock brokers couldn’t wait for the IPO. Some of the biggest PR and advertising firms were working for Home Trade and PwC was looking after their back-end transactions. It was headed by a person who came to office in T-shirts, in an office where any employee could walk in anytime- no knocking, no formalities needed. The much awaited IPO came and the market went into frenzy; the mood was celebratory. It was the perfect story except that there was a catch. Home Trade didn’t have a single product to show. None of their ads ever mentioned any products; it was purely a brand-building exercise. In the end, all those who used to swear by Sanjay Agarwal were the worst hit- From celebrities to PR firms, Marketing agencies, investors, employees, and all those who bought his dreams. It’s been over twelve years now since the Home Trade scam broke and today we are looking at a similar frenzy of public attention around Narendra Modi. I hear a lot of things and a lot of melodrama- from him, from the BJP, the RSS, from celebrities, in his speeches, and from his legions of online supporters. And we can’t forget our great “Bombay Club”. If someone goes purely by what Modi’s supporters say, s/he will get the feeling that Mr. Modi is a hybrid between Rockefeller, Steve Jobs, Obama, Mother Teresa, Mick Jagger, Lord Shiva and Lord Vishnu. This really is the image of him projected in campaigns both online and offline. Millions are being spent on rallies- over 500 of them, with people dancing to the tune of meaningless and vague songs like “Desh Nahi Dubne Dunga” on FM channels. From fake Lal Quila to fake photos with lions and swans, from cosmetics to hair-transplants, from Gucci to Versace- everything was used to project that perfect Godly image. This mammoth branding exercise was done to create the image of a person who is above the rest- who is not one of us, who is “Above Suspicion”. How much they have succeeded in doing so remains to be seen, but our “Bombay club” was the first to bow down to his Highness. Those very Anil Ambanis and Kushagra Bajajs who use to run behind Amar Singh and used to call UP the place where things move, and the next business hub, are now shouting themselves hoarse for Mr. Modi. IT Tsars like Narayana Murthy who had earlier issued strong public condemnations are now praising his ‘leadership’. The same CII members who in 2003 were concerned about law and order in Gujarat are now haling Modi as the champion of economic reforms. Anyone who has worked for and understands the corporate world knows that big businesses only want one thing in a politician- someone who can dance to their tunes. Celebrities almost always fall in line- they all want to stay in the power corridors. Amitabh Bachchan, who in 2003 was featuring in Uttar Pradesh ads calling it “Sarvotta Pradesh”, saying how “Bhrastachar yahan kam hai”, is now saying “Kuch din toh gujaro Gujarat mai”. The entire herd of celebrities soon followed- some started flying kites for movie promotions, a few got land to set up film studios, many got tickets to the Lok Sabha and Rajya Sabha. The same Chief Minister who banned multiple movies of their colleagues, representing a party which has more often than not thrashed artists and art galleries, is now the new messiah of the art and entertainment world. The media of course doesn’t want to be left behind. From Minhaz Merchant, who couldn’t stop praising the new political entrant Rahul Gandhi, and now can’t speak anything else other than Modi- to Madhu Kishwar, who wrote a letter asking for the head of Mr. Modi, and will now smash the head of anyone not willing to accept Mr. Modi as the new Vishnu Avatar. Many have come out in open support; many are supporting behind the scenes. A few were bought over, a few did it out of fear, and a few I suspect were always RSS supporters at heart and now it easier to come out and express themselves. Entire PR machinery in place, it is now named the Modi wave- where everyone hails the Lordship. The situation is such that this Lordship can turn a singer with the BJP anthem and others will promptly say that he is the greatest singer since John Lennon, and will volunteer to dance on his tunes. But amidst all this, like they did in the case of Home Trade, they forgot a crucial thing: What is the Product. No one cares to talk about the product. What was actually delivered? What percentage of MoUs signed at Vibrant Gujarat summits actually turned into investment? What percentage of people in Gujarat live below poverty line? What is the condition of primary education there? How good is higher education in Gujarat? What is the condition of minorities? What fraction of people gets safe drinking water? How many RTIs are answered in Vibrant Gujarat? How many convicted ministers are sitting in the state cabinet? What is the internet penetration in the state? How friendly is it for SMEs? These are just some of the questions which have direct implications on those who voted him to power in Gujarat, and those who are probably thinking of voting Modi to power at the Centre. In this entire branding extravaganza we had forgotten about the actual product, and as the Home Trade fiasco stands testament, everyone is set to lose- from early investors, to employees to celebrities to PR companies to advertising companies. But the biggest losers of the Home Trade scam were those stock buyers who couldn’t wait for the IPO. Everyone else made some profit and moved on, but the stock buyer only lost. Sanjay Agarwal happily conned us and made a killing, and is probably leading a comfortable life in some tax haven. There is a very likely possibility of this unfortunate history repeating itself again this time, and everyone from business houses to media houses turned PR firms, to cheap celebs- they will all lose some. But it’s the people, the real stock buyers and holders of democracy, who will be the worst losers if they vote for a person just on the basis of branding, without caring for the product. And the only winner will be this one person who will gain his life’s ambition of turning this great nation into a Hindutwavaadi oligarchy. But people are smart, and they understand the value of their vote. They will exercise it wisely, as they have done so in the past. They generally know what is good for them. Or do they? We will get our answers on the evening of 16 May 2014. http://www.india.com/election-2014/key-leaders/narendra-modi/narendra-modi-a-brand-without-a-product-33977/
Sachin=GOD Posted April 5, 2014 Posted April 5, 2014 Mr Modi's dodgy bargain In the 1960s, Lee Kuan Yew made a compact with the citizens of the new city-state of Singapore. He would ensure the rice bowls were full. In return, citizens would not litter, ask for free speech, or protest an electoral system designed to favour the incumbent. Mr Lee, and his son, delivered on the promise. Singapore is, by any material standard, First World. It is impossible to transfer Singapore's model of micro-management to larger nations. However, politicians in many East Asian countries have tried to establish similar compacts. The largest experiment was Deng Xiaoping's reboot of China in the late 1970s. Deng was clear that the Communist Party would stay in charge. But it would cease to be communist in all but name. It would encourage citizens to get rich. China is a big place and not easy to govern. The Tiananmen Square incident in 1989 was not a great advertisement for Deng's vision. There have been countless industrial protests, Tibetan self-immolations, large-scale corruption in the party, extreme rural-urban inequality, show trials, and so on. But, despite the hiccups, one-party "market communism" has also, by and large, delivered in material terms. The Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) under Narendra Modi is offering a rather different bargain to India's electorate. Mr Modi claims to have delivered very fast economic growth and created excellent infrastructure and great employment opportunities in his home state. The election campaign says he can replicate that model across India. In return for economic growth, India's cultural agenda will be set or influenced by the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS). Going by the past experiences of 1998-2004 and the tone and tenor of this campaign, school and college syllabi will be vetted. "Insulting" books, art and movies will be banned, by violent means if the courts are unwilling to pass orders. Beef eaters will have their diet interfered with. The free mixing of men and women at Navratri, Ganesh Chaturthi, Durga Puja and Holi will continue, as indeed it should. But courting couples will continue to be beaten up on Valentine's Day. Homosexuals and drug users will be treated as criminals, unless they are Naga sadhus, who are exempted from adhering to those sections of the Indian Penal Code. Diwali gambling will be encouraged as a religious rite. But betting on cricket will be forbidden. The threat of violence to enforce this agenda will be the iron fist in the velvet glove. However, as in 2002, it is also implied that the violence can be efficiently targeted with pinpoint precision. Property belonging to the "right community" (pun intended) will not be damaged. The RSS cannot push this agenda too hard. Its brand of hardline Hindutva is espoused by a small, vociferous minority and it makes lots of people within the BJP itself uneasy. In its best-ever performances, the BJP won 25 per cent of the vote in 1998 and 1999. The most favourable opinion polls suggest it could win 31 or 32 per cent in 2014. Over 80 per cent of Indians are Hindus. Ergo, the BJP is a minority party desperately claiming to represent a majority. Can Mr Modi deliver on the economic aspects? Sadly, no. Gujarat was a well-run state before he came to power. It continues to be a high performer with some lacunae in human development indicators. India is much less homogeneous than China and even less easily governed. The Gujarat model, warts and all, cannot be scaled up to fit the rest of the union - especially if the BJP must deal with regional satraps demanding their pound of flesh at both central and state level. In Gandhinagar, Gujarat, the chief minister can summon his ministers and civil servants and tell them what to do. The prime minister of India cannot do that to his Cabinet colleagues or to chief ministers of the states of the Union. Hence, the BJP cannot deliver on either end of its compact. The hardliner pining for a Hindutva raj will be disappointed. So will the voter who is hoping for miracles in terms of economic growth. http://www.business-standard.com/article/opinion/devangshu-datta-mr-modi-s-dodgy-bargain-114040401353_1.html
bulbul Posted April 5, 2014 Posted April 5, 2014 Let me get this straight - you are disregarding the Cobrapost UIDAI scam against the Congress government because Cobrapost is a Congress stooge. Well played! Why you judge people..i said I don't care about the report..where did congress stooge word came. ps : Why you getting upset if some people called Cobra post a congress stooge :dontknow:
Crookbond Posted April 5, 2014 Posted April 5, 2014 Why you judge people..i said I don't care about the report..where did congress stooge word came. ps : Why you getting upset if some people called Cobra post a congress stooge :dontknow: I am not judging people - I am merely making a comment on your powers of observation. You seem to not understand the basic ground rules of having a discussion and turn amnesiac - your trolling habits have gone to you. The Cobrapost expose was dismissed on the grounds of "political vendetta" and the Gandhi family behind it - so that makes it a Congress tool. You said on the same grounds you will reject the UIDAI scam. In other words, disregard the UIDAI Cobrapost scam on Congress because it is a Congress tool. That's the logic which you just agreed to and subscribed to.
bulbul Posted April 5, 2014 Posted April 5, 2014 I am not judging people - I am merely making a comment on your powers of observation. You seem to not understand the basic ground rules of having a discussion and turn amnesiac - your trolling habits have gone to you. The Cobrapost expose was dismissed on the grounds of "political vendetta" and the Gandhi family behind it - so that makes it a Congress tool. You said on the same grounds you will reject the UIDAI scam. In other words, disregard the UIDAI Cobrapost scam on Congress because it is a Congress tool. That's the logic which you just agreed to and subscribed to. Again you setting up your own agenda. So if any one replied to your posts means they are agree with your logics. Where did I said Cobra post is congress stooge? why you blame me for some others observation. You should just post rather than passing judgments on others. ps : Just curious, why should two incidents should be same?
scorpio90 Posted April 5, 2014 Posted April 5, 2014 Important TO-DOs & NOT-TO-DOs from Shri. Arun Shourie for the Next Government (as stated in WALK THE TALK TV program with ARUN SHOURIE by Shekhar Gupta of Indian Express ; Telecasted on 5th April-2014, ~9.30 PM IST on uNDiTV) TO-DOs [1] Choose best people (PMO officials, cabinet secretaries, department heads & ministers) for making decisions in your government. Keep all decision makers informed , to be on guard about high possibilities of sting operations being conducted on them by media and make them realize that the whole country will be looking at them very keenly. It would be good to also keep them under constant observation. [2] Be aware that the country is going through a tough phase currently (bad economic scenario with fiscal deficit problems, even more bad geo-political scenario with potential for more terrorism being exported into India by Pakistan as the US starts withdrawing from Afghanistan, China raising the heat on our borders and circling us in our nearby geographical regions, Armed forces not being given proper attention and arms upgrades getting delayed) and hence make good, quick decisions. [3] Establish a good working relationship with every CM of every state and keep them in the loop during decision making. It is going to be those CMs who would actually ensure good quality implementation of the decisions made or laws passed by the central government. NOT-TO-DOs [1] Do not take even a single incompetent, undeserving person in the decision making group (basically same as [1] in above "To Do" items). [2] Don't do like what Rajiv Gandhi used to do in 1980s (i.e keep the parliament in the control of ruling government when passing laws, discussions and have good relations with 6-7 media groups for creating the impression of good governance and thus believe this is enough to deliver good governance). Rajiv used to think that the whole country would have a good opinion about him by him just managing the parliament and big media organizations with national reach. But this is a sure way to loose accumulated good political capital. Go around the country to understand the ground situation and this is necessary for strong leadership. [3] Don't think that just because things are working around you well and are being implemented at your surrounding places - that things are also being implemented well in the internal regions of the country. It is important to keep more tabs on the implementation in the ground that is further away from Delhi and take corrective actions when things take the wrong direction. [4] Don't give much importance to the opinions of 'rationalizers' when making decisions (i.e figure dressers who sugarcoat details in their reports, people who manufacture opinions by twisting or selectively concentrating on portions of available ground figures, people who cleverly talk around important problems & reduce the significance of issues when explaining them). The above were specifically requested from Shourie sir by Shekhar Gupta in the last 10 minutes of this program.
Crookbond Posted April 6, 2014 Posted April 6, 2014 Again you setting up your own agenda. So if any one replied to your posts means they are agree with your logics. Where did I said Cobra post is congress stooge? why you blame me for some others observation. You should just post rather than passing judgments on others. ps : Just curious, why should two incidents should be same? Do you even read what you post? I asked I people subscribe to that logic (Congress paying Cobrapost) and you said YES. I didn't hold your hand and type that for you. Later, when I pointed the flaw in the logic you're back to empty rhetoric.
bulbul Posted April 6, 2014 Posted April 6, 2014 I wonder if people also disregard the previous Cobrapost expose of UIDAI scam on the similar grounds which they have now. This is what you posted first.. Maybe you have to read what you pisted first before preaching others...thats why i called you a hypocrite... Show me where you mentioned congress in this post?
Crookbond Posted April 6, 2014 Posted April 6, 2014 This is what you posted first.. Maybe you have to read what you pisted first before preaching others...thats why i called you a hypocrite... Show me where you mentioned congress in this post? If you don't understand simple English, you should tell me that. I could've translated it in a much comfortable language (Kannada./Tulu) for you. What do you think "similar grounds" meant? And why did you say "YES".
bulbul Posted April 6, 2014 Posted April 6, 2014 If you don't understand simple English, you should tell me that. I could've translated it in a much comfortable language (Kannada./Tulu) for you. What do you think "similar grounds" meant? And why did you say "YES". Are you serious? You posted "similer grounds what people have now. Different people had different opinion?which one should i take? My opininion or yours which you posted in next post. How many times i have to tell you dont go by your own agenda in discussions and blame others later when disagreed with you.
Crookbond Posted April 6, 2014 Posted April 6, 2014 Are you serious? You posted "similer grounds what people have now. Different people had different opinion?which one should i take? My opininion or yours which you posted in next post. How many times i have to tell you dont go by your own agenda in discussions and blame others later when disagreed with you. Arey bhai! I am asking you a simple question - What did you understand by "similar grounds"?
bulbul Posted April 6, 2014 Posted April 6, 2014 Arey bhai! I am asking you a simple question - What did you understand by "similar grounds"? Why you are nitpicking?quote your own sentance to make a proper argument. You mentioned "similar grounds grounds people have now" My view is i dont care about either of them.
Crookbond Posted April 6, 2014 Posted April 6, 2014 Why you are nitpicking?quote your own sentance to make a proper argument. You mentioned "similar grounds grounds people have now" My view is i dont care about either of them. I am asking you what did you understand by that phrase. I am asking this for the 3rd time now! I know you don't care but I want to know what you understand by it. Why are you being so evasive?
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