Stats For "The Boss"

[CC1981]

Once again' date=' playing with the same numbers without much context. And it'll be a total waste of time, so not gonna engage into it again.[/quote'] Context this, context that, i've provided enough context for the pan of a series - i've shown how he's fared in each series compared to other Indian batsmen- both in terms of average & total runs scored. And as the numbers clearly show, Tendulkar is *NOT* batting like a decent batsman, let alone great, in Tests. Yes, he's had a couple of bad decisions, yes he's been injured a bit through the last 8 series i listed but bottomline is, he's contributed very little to India's cause in Tests throughout this period. Yes, he is an alltime great and all that jazz but my point is, Tendulkar is over the hill in Tests and it would be better for India if we dropped Tendulkar and tried to groom a fresh & talented upcomming batsman such as Manoj Tiwary. Out of our 'four batting Gods' in tests, Tendulkar should be the first one to go- simply because he's worth the least amount of the four off late.

[Shehezaada]

Context this, context that, i've provided enough context for the pan of a series - i've shown how he's fared in each series compared to other Indian batsmen- both in terms of average & total runs scored. And as the numbers clearly show, Tendulkar is *NOT* batting like a decent batsman, let alone great, in Tests. Yes, he's had a couple of bad decisions, yes he's been injured a bit through the last 8 series i listed but bottomline is, he's contributed very little to India's cause in Tests throughout this period. Yes, he is an alltime great and all that jazz but my point is, Tendulkar is over the hill in Tests and it would be better for India if we dropped Tendulkar and tried to groom a fresh & talented upcomming batsman such as Manoj Tiwary. Out of our 'four batting Gods' in tests, Tendulkar should be the first one to go- simply because he's worth the least amount of the four off late.

Actually you've provided nothing: Let's go through this one by one. In Engineering class, we are taught that stats are like miniskirts. What they reveal is great, but what they conceal.....goddamn, that's a story in itself. Always present stats in context.

Here are some more stats about the Boss that is far more relevant today: Tendy in his last eight test series (minus minnows like BD) : 1. 70 runs @ 17.50 vs AUS ( 9th in average, 10th in total runs in the Indian side) 2. 55 runs @ 27.50 vs RSA( 6th in average, 5th in total runs) 3. 255 runs @ 51.00 vs PAK( 4th in average, 3rd in total runs) 4. 189 runs @ 37.80 vs SL ( 5th in average, 3rd in total runs) 5. 63 runs @ 21.00 vs PAK( 10th in average, 8th in total runs) 6. 83 runs @ 20.75 vs ENG(9th in average, 10th in total runs) 7. 199 runs @ 33.16 vs RSA(4th in average, 2nd in total runs) 8. 228 runs @ 38.00 vs ENG(6th in average, 3rd in total runs)

1) Series against Australia: Thrown into a situation against the World's Top team, without any match practice, Tendulkar risks his entire career (infact, he injured it again, he should have skipped the series), to play. A poor performance in the third test, and it continues with another poor score in the first innings. Trailing by 70 runs, India lose Sehwag and Chopra early, and Tendulkar walks in at 6/2. Goes on to play a match winning knock of 55 on a minefield, surely one of this best innings. India win the match with Bhajji taking 5-24. 2) Poor series, no doubt about it, but he wasn't needed in the series. Sehwag took care of it 3) Good, consistent series for Sachin. Got a bad decision terminating a great knock of 52 by Bucknor, would have been a truly match winning innings. 4) 35th hundred for Sach, India wins 2-0. Got a bad decicion LBW to bandara and murali. Count em, that's 3 bad decisions. 5) and 6) No doubt about it, bad series for him. 7) Poor series but who else scored bar Ganguly? Made a crucial 44 in the first innings when India were 2 down for next to nothing, and good 50's at durban and johannesburg 8) Take out his second innings in the 2nd and 3rd tests and his average rises to 55+. Did they really need him at those points? no! Sachin has been poor by his standards. But he still has played crucial, match winning knocks. Stats don't tell the entire story buddy. Context is required.

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[Anakin]

Context this, context that, i've provided enough context for the pan of a series - i've shown how he's fared in each series compared to other Indian batsmen- both in terms of average & total runs scored. And as the numbers clearly show, Tendulkar is *NOT* batting like a decent batsman, let alone great, in Tests. Yes, he's had a couple of bad decisions, yes he's been injured a bit through the last 8 series i listed but bottomline is, he's contributed very little to India's cause in Tests throughout this period. Yes, he is an alltime great and all that jazz but my point is, Tendulkar is over the hill in Tests and it would be better for India if we dropped Tendulkar and tried to groom a fresh & talented upcomming batsman such as Manoj Tiwary. Out of our 'four batting Gods' in tests, Tendulkar should be the first one to go- simply because he's worth the least amount of the four off late.

As usually you're lost in numbers or something else. As I said it's a total waste of time since most of the times you already make up the progressive free mind of yours.

[zubinpepsi]

now i expect this thread to go another 15 pages in no time..:D

[CC1981]

Context is required.

Context also leads to the bottomline conclusion : between his injuries, 'not being required to perform' and 'loss of form', Tendulkar has gone from hero to zero as far as Tests are concerned. He's not been anywhere close to being the top batsman in the team and in most cases, his performance over the span of a series is mediocre compared to the teammates ( as reflected by his mostly mediocre position in team scoring & average charts) or it is absolutely abysmal. Ie, Tendy is batting like a former great who's overstayed his time in Tests and i see no argument or evidence to counter this. Based on Sachin's severe decline in performance, its time he is dropped from the Test team. No other batsman/player has been given a noose so long as Sachin- at the end of the day, all the excuses aside, if you have failed to average 40 in 7 of the last 8 concluded series versus decent opposition, there is something very wrong with your batting or you've declined to unacceptable levels. Excuses like bad decisions,injuries etc. go only so far, the bottomline is, Tendulkar has sucked badly in the last 8 series stretch against decent opposition. There is no denying this and it is comming from a Tendulkar fan himself ( i consider Tendy as 2nd best after Bradman). Denying this is nothing more than hero-worship gone mad for Sachin fans and i can not think of any other instance where a 'great who's overstayed his time' was as pronounced as in Sachin's case for Tests. He is still a very good ODI batsman but there is absolutely no justification for keeping him in the test squad.

[zubinpepsi]

Context also leads to the bottomline conclusion : between his injuries, 'not being required to perform' and 'loss of form', Tendulkar has gone from hero to zero as far as Tests are concerned. He's not been anywhere close to being the top batsman in the team and in most cases, his performance over the span of a series is mediocre compared to the teammates ( as reflected by his mostly mediocre position in team scoring & average charts) or it is absolutely abysmal. Ie, Tendy is batting like a former great who's overstayed his time in Tests and i see no argument or evidence to counter this. Based on Sachin's severe decline in performance, its time he is dropped from the Test team. No other batsman/player has been given a noose so long as Sachin- at the end of the day, all the excuses aside, if you have failed to average 40 in 7 of the last 8 concluded series versus decent opposition, there is something very wrong with your batting or you've declined to unacceptable levels. Excuses like bad decisions,injuries etc. go only so far, the bottomline is, Tendulkar has sucked badly in the last 8 series stretch against decent opposition. There is no denying this and it is comming from a Tendulkar fan himself ( i consider Tendy as 2nd best after Bradman). Denying this is nothing more than hero-worship gone mad for Sachin fans and i can not think of any other instance where a 'great who's overstayed his time' was as pronounced as in Sachin's case for Tests. He is still a very good ODI batsman but there is absolutely no justification for keeping him in the test squad.

[Anakin]

Anyone who thinks SRT had a poor test series in England must be an idiot of highest order. As I said before many times, there is a lot more to cricket than just numbers. But whatever floats your boat I guess.

[Chandan]

Based on Sachin's severe decline in performance, its time he is dropped from the Test team.

Keep dreaming!!

[sandtest]

Sachu is the ONLY reason I started watching Cricket seriously.........I will loose half of the interest in the game if he is dropped or retires.......I want Boss to bat for India for another 10 years :two_thumbs_up:....He is such a committed player and always gives his 200 percent, whether batting, running between wickets, bowling or fielding.......Keep Going Sachu!!

[Chandan]

Hey Santest, I liked that flower in your avatar. How can I get that too?

[sandtest]

Hey Santest, I liked that flower in your avatar. How can I get that too?

You can get a white flower specially painted in Tiranga color, from Lokhandawala, Andheri (west) market......:D On a serious note just move your mouse on the flower, right click ---then select save picture as ---and you have it!:two_thumbs_up:

[Gaurav]

Sachu is the ONLY reason I started watching Cricket seriously.........I will loose half of the interest in the game if he is dropped or retires.......I want Boss to bat for India for another 10 years :two_thumbs_up:....He is such a committed player and always gives his 200 percent' date=' whether batting, running between wickets, bowling or fielding.......Keep Going Sachu!![/quote'] :two_thumbs_up::two_thumbs_up:

[CC1981]

Anyone who thinks SRT had a poor test series in England must be an idiot of highest order. As I said before many times' date=' there is a lot more to cricket than just numbers. But whatever floats your boat I guess.[/quote'] Yes, he had a poor test series in England, considering that he faced a second string english attack and still failed to average 40 against it. A below 40 average against an English lineup lacking Hoggard, Harmison & Flintoff ( i will be generous and not mention Jones) is a poor performance by any barometer. As i said before, you will struggle to find a batsman who's retained his spot in the team after going 7 out of 8 series with below 40 average against decent opposition, especially when their averages are not just above/below the 40 mark. Tendulkar is the most clear-cut example today of a batsman overstaying his time in one form of cricket ( tests). If we were as ruthless as Australia in selection of the team based on CURRENT performance, Tendulkar would've been history a while ago.

[Anakin]

Thank god not everyone's as blind/obsessed with numbers without context as some here.

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[Anakin]

Anil Kumble avged above 50 in the test series ...so he must be a very good batsman. Yep I am convinced ... drop Tendulkar ... how dare he score more runs but avg lesser than a tail ender .. sacrilege.

BTW, RD had 2 terrible series as well, drop him too. LMFAO :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:

[Guest BossBhai]

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[CC1981]

BTW, RD had 2 terrible series as well, drop him too. LMFAO :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:

Two terrible series is alarming, 7 terrible series out of 8 is 'beyond shelf life'. You'd notice that i didnt call for Tendulkar to be dropped when he went 2-3 series of terrible record- i am calling for his drop because he's proved beyond a shadow of doubt that he is incapable anymore of scoring runs in test cricket against any but the easiest of opposition, ie, bangladesh. Maybe Tendy should stop playing for his test record and realize that he is not good enough anymore in tests.

Thank god not everyone's as blind/obsessed with numbers without context as some here.

Too bad you are a mindless worshipper of Tendy here and as i said, you will struggle to find a batsman who's been retained after going almost 8 consecutive series averaging below 40 against decent opposition. Admit it, Tendy is way past his shelf-life in Tests and the only reason you want to see him continue is for him to pile up some meaningless record or hold the record for most test runs briefly before Ponting zooms past him.

[Anakin]

If his performance in England is after shelf-life, I'll gladly let him play longer with whatever level you wanna put on him. And again keep on repeating the same BS about 7/8 series blah blah blah, as I said before numbers don't make any sense without context.