Missing the real issue

[bharat297]

I am a bit suprised about the recent comments about the pressure on the seniors. Firstly, i am shocked that Ganguly has been blamed because he hasnt even played ... LOL. But , secondly ... when we have the australian team at 4/90 and 3/66 and we still concede 307 and 306 respectively it is not sachin, sourav and rahul's fault. It seems any loss will be blamed on our seniors. It was our young bowlers that got tonked around by the australian batsman. The question is not ... why didnt we chase 307 (well that is important too) BUT why are we seemingly always chasing around 300+ in ODIs. When the australian team lost 6 games in 7 matches before the world cup (scoring 300+ and getting chased down on multiple occassions) they didnt start blaming their senior batsman but looked at ways to improve their bowling. Why is it that we are missing the real issue here?

[Chandan]

No way should Australia have been allowed to score 300+ runs on that Kochi wicket, which was very dicey since the beginning. But that is an old issue! When was India's bowling that great anyway, apart from the WC 2003 one? Our bowling is very very poor, and if we're conceding 300 runs in tracks like Kochi, we'll concede 370-400 runs on flatter tracks. And that'll always remain the fact till the bowlers get their acts together and learn to bowl in ODIs.

[yoda]

300 was chasable on that wicket. If uthappa can cart the aussies all the over the park why can't we put up a collective batting display to chase that score?

[Chandan]

Did you watch the match? I watched it ball by ball and it was not just another typical ODI flat track. Bounce was variable because of which batsmen couldn't just go ahead and smack the ball wherever they wanted, unless it was a completely loose delivery.

[ludhianvi]

it seems that the attention span of our bowlers/fielders is quite small. I think they need to get in a huddle after the 20th and the 35th over to get some motivation :tounge_smile:

[Dravid]

bring back eggyyyyyyyyy

[Guest dada_rocks]

What can spinners do with 60 yard boundary line yaar. slow wicket hardly matters to power hitters llike hayden and symonds

[yoda]

Did you watch the match? I watched it ball by ball and it was not just another typical ODI flat track. Bounce was variable because of which batsmen couldn't just go ahead and smack the ball wherever they wanted, unless it was a completely loose delivery.

yes, I did, not ball by ball, but a good part of it. tracks always become unplayable when our guys bat. wonder how haddin played effortlessly on the variable bounce. :angry_smile: it is all about adapting to the conditions and getting the job done.

[Chandan]

wonder how haddin played effortlessly on the variable bounce. :angry_smile: it is all about adapting to the conditions and getting the job done.

Because our bowlers bowled too many loose deliveries. Powar's full tosses were a treat and so were Sree's when he lost the plot completely and served up utter garbage. Only Pathan was the one who was bowling with control and was concentrating his line within the stumps. You can check his economy rate. Our batsmen tried to start in an explosive way, but it was not a track where you could send the good balls flying over the rope, without getting your eye in. And they paid the price ultimately!

[Bumper]

You dont allow Aussies to rake up 300+. They do it inspite of the bowling attack. Show me a game this year, when the Aussies have batted first & did not score 300+ ? IIRC, they were bowled out once for a sub par total vs NZ early this year. But havent failed to score 300+ in the rest of the games.

[Chaos]

You dont allow Aussies to rake up 300+. They do it inspite of the bowling attack. Show me a game this year, when the Aussies have batted first & did not score 300+ ? IIRC, they were bowled out once for a sub par total vs NZ early this year. But havent failed to score 300+ in the rest of the games.

Their logic is plain and simple, if you can score 150-180 in 20/20, why cant anyone reach 300 runs in 50 overs? And their techniques are pretty damn solid, choosing the right ball to hit. Like our batsman, Sachin, yuvraj, Uthappa, Dhoni, Rahul all were out for pretty lame shots. And when was the last time our batsman scored a 100 in one day? If u take out sachin's inning's in england and against SA, we were down right pathetic. On slow pitches its better not to play yuvraj singh. Even the commentators knew how he will get out... No margin for improvement for yuvi.

[Rahul Khan]

let Uthappa, Yusuf, Sharma play for a match and then lets see...!

[Guest dada_rocks]

Yuvraj played a gem of an inning in GOA ( slow pitch) against england.. so it's not that he is not capable

[fineleg]

Yuvraj played a gem of an inning in GOA ( slow pitch) against england.. so it's not that he is not capable

DR, The difference in quality between England and Aussies will mask such faults in players. Overall good players with a few big weakness will still get by with England coz their bowlers stray away from the plan. Aus make a plan and *stick to it* while bowling. Then our batsmens' weakness will get magnified.

[ludhianvi]

they are missing the huddle after the 20th and 35th overs :tounge_smile: I think its a very good idea

[bharat297]

You dont allow Aussies to rake up 300+. They do it inspite of the bowling attack. Show me a game this year, when the Aussies have batted first & did not score 300+ ? IIRC, they were bowled out once for a sub par total vs NZ early this year. But havent failed to score 300+ in the rest of the games.

While its true, the aussies do well against every bowling attack. The thing was, from potentially match-winning positions of 4/90 and 3/66 after about 20 overs, we let them off the hook. In both games, if you watched it you would see that it happened as a result of some poor bowling and fielding, more so than unbelievable batting displays. Perhaps if we get Australia in a similar position, Dhoni should not be so eager to move his field out. When you take early wickets in the PP overs, keeping the field in for a little while restricts the flow of singles and encourages batsman to hit over the top, and for new batsman that could present Indian with some extra wickets. If the boundaries begin to flow then bring the field back out, but the first instinct should be to go for the kill.

[Rahul Khan]

... but the first instinct should be to go for the kill.

yes, the best way of playing is to attack the opponents!

[Chandan]

While its true' date=' the aussies do well against every bowling attack. The thing was, from potentially match-winning positions of 4/90 and 3/66 after about 20 overs, we let them off the hook. [/quote'] Good bowling attacks always restric them. Anyone remembers how much Aussies had scored in their CB series finals, that too against England, last year? 252 and 155. First final Second final

[Bumper]

While its true, the aussies do well against every bowling attack. The thing was, from potentially match-winning positions of 4/90 and 3/66 after about 20 overs, we let them off the hook. In both games, if you watched it you would see that it happened as a result of some poor bowling and fielding, more so than unbelievable batting displays. Perhaps if we get Australia in a similar position, Dhoni should not be so eager to move his field out. When you take early wickets in the PP overs, keeping the field in for a little while restricts the flow of singles and encourages batsman to hit over the top, and for new batsman that could present Indian with some extra wickets. If the boundaries begin to flow then bring the field back out, but the first instinct should be to go for the kill.

This is an all time great ODI batting lineup. The top 6 they've got can seamlessly switch between innings building and demolition job. They will manage to get atleast one partnership going, until the 40th over @ 5.5 rpo. If you want to restrict them under 300 you need to get their top 6 out within 200, which is possible, but not probable. No team has consistently managed this against the Aussies in the last 2 years. All these guys average in the 40s & strike @ close to 90. You cannot restrict such a batting lineup. Instead of trying to do the improbable, we should take the more commonsensical route. Bat first & score 300+, put them under pressure by the sheer weight of runs. Thats the only way India can beat them.

[Bumper]

Good bowling attacks always restric them. Anyone remembers how much Aussies had scored in their CB series finals, that too against England, last year? 252 and 155. First final Second final

Doesnt happen very often. The second final was a rain marred game, with Duckworth Lewis coming into play.