bulbul Posted March 7, 2014 Posted March 7, 2014 ^ Then why Mudgal as to worry about thos name and give it in sealed cover to SC,he should ahve simply ignored it like how he ignored Dhoni's conflict of interest. Do you think Mudgal doesnt know about the impact of giving a sealed cover to SC?
bulbul Posted March 7, 2014 Posted March 7, 2014 Plz re-read what i wrote as well. If not appear true why should Mudgal take a chance?
Crookbond Posted March 7, 2014 Posted March 7, 2014 You are hinting at a conspiracy theory. Like I said earlier, revealing the names can tarnish a player's reputation. The report clearly mentions that these allegations are false and since they could damage their careers names were provided in a sealed envelope. Also, unlike what you said earlier the report doesn't ignore but takes cognizance of "conflict of interest". Better to read and then comment rather than coming up with a supposedly "smart" question hinting at conspiracy theories.
CG Posted March 8, 2014 Author Posted March 8, 2014 Justice Mugdal actually has given the names in a sealed envelope to SC. Mugdal report says that such charges do not appear to be true and hence names should be avoided to tarnish the players' reputation' date=' IIRC.[/quote'] "The sealed cover contains unverified information that we wanted to share with the court only and contains statements of people who wanted to stay anonymous," Justice Mudgal said when contacted by HT. When asked specifically about Kumar's statement, he said, "“I cannot say anything about a matter that is confidential." http://www.hindustantimes.com/specials/cricket/t20/chunk-ht-ui-t20-spotfixing/sealed-ipl-fixing-report-names-dhoni/sp-article10-1183438.aspx
CG Posted March 8, 2014 Author Posted March 8, 2014 Katie, CG, Asterix Happy? Now sit with your :cantstop: I did not want sree to go to jail and u think i would want indian captain to go to jail for this fixed league where owners are fixing matches.I just want him sacked as captain.
CSK Fan Posted March 8, 2014 Posted March 8, 2014 Justice Mugdal actually has given the names in a sealed envelope to SC. Mugdal report says that such charges do not appear to be true and hence names should be avoided to tarnish the players' reputation' date=' IIRC.[/quote'] That part of fixing was not even probed by any committee and a cover up attempt is being made. All people are making noise is because they want at least an investigation to be done which doesn't look likely at this stage. The reporter who gave the names was even afraid for his life, doubt he will endanger it without reason on rumors. And nowhere did Mugdal say the charges were not true, it is BCCI who said names should be avoided All I am saying is these should be investigated and the players cleared once and for all. If the entire thing is just brushed under the carpet it would seem more suspicious
shortbread Posted March 8, 2014 Posted March 8, 2014 To be investigated on what basis exactly?! All I am saying is these should be investigated and the players cleared once and for all. If the entire thing is just brushed under the carpet it would seem more suspicious To be investigated on what basis exactly?! Why should players names be dragged through mud when there is absolutely no real evidence?! Sampath Kumar who made the initial accusation that he was told by a bookie who came to know from someone else who spoke to someone who told him that certain players are involved?! Sampath Kumar himself is not part of the investigation and is also under investigation for taking money from bookies!!! Who exactly is the credible source here?! The media is like a rabid dog looking for any name they can drag through mud for an hours ratings?! Do we want people careers and lives destroyed because a selection of crooks have decided to name individuals whom they want to drag into their own mess. Even worse is the journalist who heard a voice and recognised it?! If he is not brave enough, hand over the recordings for the law to take its course. Or bloody well have the balls to do something. Bigger fish including high profile businessmen, mining lobby have been taken on by people. He is a journalist for christ's sake...have some guts, do something about it or just shut up!! If they are guilty lock them up forever or just hang them even!! Provided there is real evidence FIRST!! But its unfair to simply keep ranting names only on the basis of baseless allegations!!
King Tendulkar Posted March 8, 2014 Posted March 8, 2014 Its one thing to not like Dhoni, to be critical and to want him to be removed from captaincy. But it is a totally different thing to accuse the Indian captain of match fixing or should I say wanting him to be accused of match fixing (it doesn't matter to some whether he has done it or not.) Many fall under the first category and its perfectly fine. But the latter, did you call yourselves Indian fans? :facepalm: You are loyal but you don't read what I say (many fall in to that category). I have never said he is guilty of match fixing, I don't know if he has fixed IPL matches, to be honest don't give a monkeys about IPL matches but of course if guilty of match fixing needs to go to to jail. But I do know he has screwed the indian cricket team. And is corrupt in that sense. As picks players based on other agendas and not what should be sole agenda which is for the indian teams benefit to win and be successful. Thus agenda of $$$$$$ What are those agendas? Well rhiti sports, basically confirmed by court probe, so players picked on that basis. Classic case was rhiti RP Singh which deep down we all know why he was flown(need a big plane as he was that fat) in like VIP to spear head test attack in England. $$$$$ Picking players based on CSK priorities and boosting CSK. Srini mamma employs dhoni not just for csk but indian cements Thus players picked simply cos csk, giving massive long ropes to csk players and csk players given every chance tacticallay and support cos csk. Example Raina sneaking in to test teams, Project Raina and Grade A Contract raina. At one point indian batting line up from 5 to 8 was csk. $$$$$$$$$$$ Personal agendas. Hates Yadav and some others like Mishra. Wont play or pick them or use them how they should be. Why? Either dumb or politics at play. Other agenda is that he is plane stupid skipper as well, with pants gut instinct. Angry you ask why? Cos indian team is emabarrassmnet at moment with ass rape and asssrape. We are touring England. As a fan do you want ass rape again? I don't, so want his head on a platter before that series so new skipper can be in and maybe just maybe make us competititve overseas and a skipper who unlike now will try his best to make indian team win. To be honest just want a skipper who tries his best to make indian team win. We don't have that at moment and that's a disgrace hence my anger. Is it too much to want a skipper who will do his best to make indian team win?
King Tendulkar Posted March 8, 2014 Posted March 8, 2014 To be investigated on what basis exactly?! Why should players names be dragged through mud when there is absolutely no real evidence?! Sampath Kumar who made the initial accusation that he was told by a bookie who came to know from someone else who spoke to someone who told him that certain players are involved?! Sampath Kumar himself is not part of the investigation and is also under investigation for taking money from bookies!!! Who exactly is the credible source here?! The media is like a rabid dog looking for any name they can drag through mud for an hours ratings?! Do we want people careers and lives destroyed because a selection of crooks have decided to name individuals whom they want to drag into their own mess. Even worse is the journalist who heard a voice and recognised it?! If he is not brave enough, hand over the recordings for the law to take its course. Or bloody well have the balls to do something. Bigger fish including high profile businessmen, mining lobby have been taken on by people. He is a journalist for christ's sake...have some guts, do something about it or just shut up!! If they are guilty lock them up forever or just hang them even!! Provided there is real evidence FIRST!! But its unfair to simply keep ranting names only on the basis of baseless allegations!! This is typical Don't trust A COURT INVESTIGATION!! Instead lets trust dhoni, srini and BCCI:nono:
King Tendulkar Posted March 8, 2014 Posted March 8, 2014 By the way Dhoni is proven to have lied to the court investigation on meyiappan!! If lied on that what else is he lieing about?? BCCI have admitted Meiyappan was not just enthusiaist as srini and dhoni lied about. They know agree with probe!!! Probe also talks about indian captain and players agency. Conflict of interest!! This is not me saying this but court probe and investigation. Although on ICF we been saying this for years now, common knowledge what is going on apart frorm those in denial or crazy dhoni fanatics
CSK Fan Posted March 8, 2014 Posted March 8, 2014 To be investigated on what basis exactly?! Why should players names be dragged through mud when there is absolutely no real evidence?! Sampath Kumar who made the initial accusation that he was told by a bookie who came to know from someone else who spoke to someone who told him that certain players are involved?! Sampath Kumar himself is not part of the investigation and is also under investigation for taking money from bookies!!! Who exactly is the credible source here?! The media is like a rabid dog looking for any name they can drag through mud for an hours ratings?! Do we want people careers and lives destroyed because a selection of crooks have decided to name individuals whom they want to drag into their own mess. Even worse is the journalist who heard a voice and recognised it?! If he is not brave enough, hand over the recordings for the law to take its course. Or bloody well have the balls to do something. Bigger fish including high profile businessmen, mining lobby have been taken on by people. He is a journalist for christ's sake...have some guts, do something about it or just shut up!! If they are guilty lock them up forever or just hang them even!! Provided there is real evidence FIRST!! But its unfair to simply keep ranting names only on the basis of baseless allegations!! If some names were given in sealed enveloped to the supreme court, pretty sure there is some credible information behind it. This has nothing to do with the media, it is a fact that Mugdal did that the envelope was important enough to be given to the highest court in the land. the least that can be done is that this is investigated
Sidhoni Posted March 8, 2014 Posted March 8, 2014 You are loyal but you don't read what I say (many fall in to that category). I have never said he is guilty of match fixing, I don't know if he has fixed IPL matches, to be honest don't give a monkeys about IPL matches but of course if guilty of match fixing needs to go to to jail. But I do know he has screwed the indian cricket team. And is corrupt in that sense. As picks players based on other agendas and not what should be sole agenda which is for the indian teams benefit to win and be successful. Thus agenda of $$$$$$ What are those agendas? Well rhiti sports, basically confirmed by court probe, so players picked on that basis. Classic case was rhiti RP Singh which deep down we all know why he was flown(need a big plane as he was that fat) in like VIP to spear head test attack in England. $$$$$ Picking players based on CSK priorities and boosting CSK. Srini mamma employs dhoni not just for csk but indian cements Thus players picked simply cos csk, giving massive long ropes to csk players and csk players given every chance tacticallay and support cos csk. Example Raina sneaking in to test teams, Project Raina and Grade A Contract raina. At one point indian batting line up from 5 to 8 was csk. $$$$$$$$$$$ Personal agendas. Hates Yadav and some others like Mishra. Wont play or pick them or use them how they should be. Why? Either dumb or politics at play. Other agenda is that he is plane stupid skipper as well, with pants gut instinct. Angry you ask why? Cos indian team is emabarrassmnet at moment with ass rape and asssrape. We are touring England. As a fan do you want ass rape again? I don't, so want his head on a platter before that series so new skipper can be in and maybe just maybe make us competititve overseas and a skipper who unlike now will try his best to make indian team win. To be honest just want a skipper who tries his best to make indian team win. We don't have that at moment and that's a disgrace hence my anger. Is it too much to want a skipper who will do his best to make indian team win? Yeah right Rohit and Ishant are Rhiti-CSK. Ojha is Rhiti right? Then why isn't he in the team in all formats home or away?
King Tendulkar Posted March 8, 2014 Posted March 8, 2014 Yeah right Rohit and Ishant are Rhiti-CSK. Ojha is Rhiti right? Then why isn't he in the team in all formats home or away? So no conflict of interest then in in indian captain having player agency with loads of indian players signed up to it? Dhoni is honest so would not allow conflict of interest. O wait maybe not that honest as proven liar as he did to Probe on meyippan. At least you now acknowledge he has player agency. That's a start , as before you all denied he did and demanded proof. You are moving in the right direction, eyes slowly opening
CSK Fan Posted March 8, 2014 Posted March 8, 2014 Yeah right Rohit and Ishant are Rhiti-CSK. Ojha is Rhiti right? Then why isn't he in the team in all formats home or away? Because Dhoni is not such a fool to be that directly obvious. However, like RP, Ojha is also bound to get a chance again somewhere down the line
moniker Posted March 8, 2014 Posted March 8, 2014 To be investigated on what basis exactly?! Why should players names be dragged through mud when there is absolutely no real evidence?! You don't do an investigation after you have evidence, you do it to gather the evidence after someone makes an allegation! Of course it's fair enough to not reveal the names of the players' if it's just an allegation, but if there is an allegation it deserves to be investigated.
bharat297 Posted March 8, 2014 Posted March 8, 2014 After the Cronjie scandal, I don't think any cricketer is above suspicion. Obviously Dhoni is one of our greatest cricketers, a dual-World cup winning captain, a Champions Trophy winning captain and someone who helped take us to No.1 in the world (albiet for a brief period of time) and thus deserves the utmost respect from fans. However, a few things are a cause of concern: * Dhoni's controversial ties to Rhiti Sports Management have raised questions about where his interests lie outside of cricket * Dhoni initially said that Meiyappan was not involved in the CSK team, which was later disproven. * Dhoni was named in a CID report. The policeman who named Dhoni in that CID report was suspended. Now, there is not any concrete evidence so far. However, in my opinion there is enough suspicion to warrant an investigation. Given the way the BCCI, and the Indian political and judicial system works, whether that investigation will actually be thorough and most-importantly independent, is another question.
Sidhoni Posted March 8, 2014 Posted March 8, 2014 Because Dhoni is not such a fool to be that directly obvious. However' date=' like RP, Ojha is also bound to get a chance again somewhere down the line[/quote'] So he would give constant chances to Rohit and Ishant just because they can overshadow the CSK players(who are all deserving btw)? You can do better.
Yoda-esque Posted March 8, 2014 Posted March 8, 2014 After the Cronjie scandal, I don't think any cricketer is above suspicion. Obviously Dhoni is one of our greatest cricketers, a dual-World cup winning captain, a Champions Trophy winning captain and someone who helped take us to No.1 in the world (albiet for a brief period of time) and thus deserves the utmost respect from fans. However, a few things are a cause of concern: * Dhoni's controversial ties to Rhiti Sports Management have raised questions about where his interests lie outside of cricket * Dhoni initially said that Meiyappan was not involved in the CSK team, which was later disproven. * Dhoni was named in a CID report. The policeman who named Dhoni in that CID report was suspended. Now, there is not any concrete evidence so far. However, in my opinion there is enough suspicion to warrant an investigation. Given the way the BCCI, and the Indian political and judicial system works, whether that investigation will actually be thorough and most-importantly independent, is another question. The policeman was suspended for taking money
CG Posted March 8, 2014 Author Posted March 8, 2014 The policeman was suspended for taking money Proof? IPS officer Sampath Kumar, who had deposed before the Supreme Court committee probing the Indian Premier League match-fixing and betting scandal, has been suspended by the Tamil Nadu government. No reason has been given for this decision. http://sports.ndtv.com/indian-premier-league-2014/news/221408-ipl-scandal-ips-officer-g-sampath-kumar-who-named-ms-dhoni-suspended
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