Bumper Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 KKD's honeymoon may have been over. Am sure the Aussies were watching his two dismissals in consecutive innings with interest. Have never seen Shoaib bowl with that confidence when he was bowling to Veeru. Hope Dungsucker took note of this & brings veeru back. Link to comment
Ram Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 Yes , keep hoping. Sehwag has done NOTHING since his comeback to show that he can re-create the sort of magic he was known for before. Link to comment
bharat297 Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 Even if Sehwag is picked I really hope we dont discard KKD forever ... the man is a gutsy player and IMO we would be stupid not to take Karthik on the squad to Australia Link to comment
Predator_05 Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 Sehwag would have been killed by Shoaib. When Shoaib bowls like this, he is almost unplayable. Karthik was done in by some very good bowling. Link to comment
Guest dada_rocks Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 sehwag never went out of magic in test cricket in first place.. Link to comment
Ram Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 Karthik is a fighter. I have full faith in him. He was done in badly by Sidebottom in the first test in the english tour , but came back strongly. He will deliver in the second test. Link to comment
Guest dada_rocks Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 As far as batting is concerned parthiv patel >>>>>>>>> Karthik Link to comment
Bumper Posted November 25, 2007 Author Share Posted November 25, 2007 Yes ' date=' keep hoping. Sehwag has done NOTHING since his comeback to show that he can re-create the sort of magic he was known for before.[/quote'] Funny u talk about performance, all of a sudden, when we talk about some players:haha: Have u ever seen Akhtar bowl with such confidence to an Indian top order ? The last few times we chased low totals veeru led the way. Remember how he started against McGrath & Gillespie in Chennai, when we had to chase 230 ? Or the test vs Eng when he scored 76* (chasing 150) or the Adelaide test (chasing 230) when he scored a useful 46 ? We need an attacking opener, cant have two conservative openers against Australia. Link to comment
Bumper Posted November 25, 2007 Author Share Posted November 25, 2007 Akhtar bowled well, am not denying that, but KKD was too loose outside the off stump. Why would u poke at a 95 mph delivery ? Its a retarded stroke for the 2nd successive time. Jaffar seemed to have a lot more time to play Shoaib. Link to comment
Ram Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 Funny u talk about performance, all of a sudden, when we talk about some players:haha: Have u ever seen Akhtar bowl with confidence to an Indian top order ? The last few times we chased low totals veeru led the way. Remember how he started against McGrath & Gillespie in Chennai, when we had to chase 230 ? Or the test vs Eng when he scored 76* (chasing 150) or the Adelaide test (chasing 230) when he scored a useful 46 ? We need an attacking opener, cant have two conservative openers against Australia. You forget one fundamental point. The "veeru" you are talking about, was a a player who played for India magically between 2003 and 2005. The Virender Sehwag we are talking about now , is the guy who hardly done anything off worth off late, that he couldnt even find a place in a squad against a team that he averages 90 against in test cricket. See the difference ? I keep telling ya , you can flog a dead-horse as much as you want , it aint gonna make any difference. And KKD is as attacking an opener as they come. Have you already forgotten his incisive innings' in England ? Talk about having a short memory ! Link to comment
Guest dada_rocks Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 any basis for that judgement because the penultimate series before he was dropped he nearly hit century before lunch... Veeru is still the same veeru.. Link to comment
Chaos Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 why not try parthiv patel? that kid has been in terrific batting form. Link to comment
Predator_05 Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 Sehwag is sh it. End of story. It's pointless to mention innings from 2004 - he isn't that same player anymore. Anyone who has watched him can tell that his hand-eye coordination had begun to deteriorate with age. In his final season he was getting out to deliveries that he would hit for fours at the beginning of his career. If he was scoring big runs for Delhi or for India in ODI's, recalling him would make sense but he isn't even doing that. Link to comment
Bumper Posted November 25, 2007 Author Share Posted November 25, 2007 Marirs, we are not Australia. If you come across an opener like that, you have to back him (we always knew he was gonna have an off series or year). IMO we gave up too soon on India's most successful opener since Gavaskar. Dont be fooled by what KKD & Jaffar did, vs a second string English attack. I've seen KKD & Sehwag play Akhtar with my own eyes. Sehwag at his worst, cant do any worse than this. When we go to Australia, there is no let up for KKD & Jaffar. They will have to face atleast 3 bowlers of Akhtar's quality, for sustained periods of time. They wont cut it. Link to comment
Chaos Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 sehwag is a must, i dont care much if jaffer is our other opener cuz it will be very good combo Link to comment
Ram Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 Sehwag is sh it. End of story. It's pointless to mention innings from 2004 - he isn't that same player anymore. Anyone who has watched him can tell that his hand-eye coordination had begun to deteriorate with age. In his final season he was getting out to deliveries that he would hit for fours at the beginning of his career. If he was scoring big runs for Delhi or for India in ODI's' date=' recalling him would make sense but he isn't even doing that.[/quote'] Couldnt agree with you more. Here is a guy who hasnt played a SINGLE worthwhile innings in international cricket in the whole of 2007 and they want him to selected ahead of India's leading run-scorer in tests in 2007 ! Wow ! Link to comment
Guest Hiten. Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 Yes ' date=' keep hoping. Sehwag has done NOTHING since his comeback to show that he can re-create the sort of magic he was known for before.[/quote'] exactly my thoughts. injecting him in playing XI for his past record would be nothing but foolishness Link to comment
Predator_05 Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 Marirs' date=' we are not Australia. If you come across an opener like that, you have to back him (we always knew he was gonna have an off series or year). IMO we gave up too soon on India's most successful opener since Gavaskar.[/quote'] That is more or less the same argument used by Tendulkar worshippers here. "How can you drop India's best ever batsman, he should be backed, blah blah". All this while ignoring the fact that the player hasn't been scoring anywhere near as often as he should be. Bottom line - you DON'T pick your players on reputation. Teams should pick the players in form, it's as simple as that. Karthik has been a run machine since that Cape Town test and calling for his ouster after ONE failure is stupid Link to comment
Bumper Posted November 25, 2007 Author Share Posted November 25, 2007 Sehwag is sh it. End of story. It's pointless to mention innings from 2004 - he isn't that same player anymore. Anyone who has watched him can tell that his hand-eye coordination had begun to deteriorate with age. In his final season he was getting out to deliveries that he would hit for fours at the beginning of his career. If he was scoring big runs for Delhi or for India in ODI's' date=' recalling him would make sense but he isn't even doing that.[/quote'] It happens to all players who depend on hand-eye coordination. Sehwag is very low on confidence at the moment. Players like him dont surface too often, esp in our part of the world. We must take chances with him, even if it means a series failure or two. (We've taken chances with numerous players purely based on reputation -- we brought back Ganguly from his wilderness, continue to back Tendulkar, Dravid may be the next on the list) The alternatives to Sehwag arent good enough against quality attacks. So the loss is not gonna be as big IMO. Link to comment
Ram Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 Marirs, we are not Australia. If you come across an opener like that, you have to back him (we always knew he was gonna have an off series or year). IMO we gave up too soon on India's most successful opener since Gavaskar. Dont be fooled by what KKD & Jaffar did, vs a second string English attack. I've seen KKD & Sehwag play Akhtar with my own eyes. Sehwag at his worst, cant do any worse than this. When we go to Australia, there is no let up for KKD & Jaffar. They will have to face atleast 3 bowlers of Akhtar's quality, for sustained periods of time. They wont cut it. So essentially made up your mind on Karthik by watching him face what , maybe 20 balls against Akhtar , that he isnt capable of handling him or other genuine quicks ? Just ridiculously amazing how quickly you have jumped to conclusions. And all your " Sehwag couldnt do any worse" is just mere wishful thinking at best and hopeless speculation at worst. Karthik has done enough to deserve an extended run at the top and he should get it. I like what i see in Karthik , a commited cricketer , a fighter. I hate to lose him for some over-weight opener who is essentially over the hill as far as his record is concerned. Link to comment
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