First time u heard about politics and actually took interest

[Guest HariSampath]

There is of course religious bashing here. You want to debate on Indian Muslims, stick to Indian Muslims. Any reference to Religion of Peace or some cr@p that happens outside of Indian borders is irrelevant to this thread and an attack on Muslims in general...none of which falls within context. xxx

You are the one who posted ageold cr@p about some "sacrifice" by the prophet's grandson to win some territory from his relatives as a proof that Hindus in India don't know about Islam. Thats not even Indian history and Indian muslims have nothing to do with it. how is that in the current discussion's topic ?

[The Outsider]

Tell me how many muslims in the army have won param vir cakra in combat or having performed the supreme sacrifice in combat against pakistan in 4 wars ?

Exact figures are not available for the percentage of Muslims in the Indian army, but estimates I read in an article are 3%. One Muslim has one a Param Veer Chakra, out of the 20 awarded which comes to 5% There is also a list of Kargil martyrs available here : http://www.angelfire.com/in2/kargil/ I eyeballed Muslim names and found 8 names in a list of around 150 names, which is again 5%. Both figures around twice as much as their representation in the army.

[Guest HariSampath]

What about the fact that an openly terrorist/jihadi organization like SIMI was allowed to function officially in India even after their 1986 conference where they passed a resolution " Liberating India through Islam" ? SIMI , Students Islamic movement of INDIA is first and foremost ANTI INDIA and ANTI anything unislamic...LK Advani was the first Home Minister to ban the SIMI in September 2001. With over 50,000 members all over India committed to performing acts of violence against all Indian interests inside India, this is a powerful example of how much poison India has been tolerating within herself.

[The Outsider]

What about the fact that an openly terrorist/jihadi organization like SIMI was allowed to function officially in India even after their 1986 conference where they passed a resolution " Liberating India through Islam" ? SIMI ' date=' Students Islamic movement of INDIA is first and foremost ANTI INDIA and ANTI anything unislamic...LK Advani was the first Home Minister to ban the SIMI in September 2001. With over 50,000 members all over India committed to performing acts of violence against all Indian interests inside India, this is a powerful example of how much poison India has been tolerating within herself.[/quote'] I thought you were a bit more logical person to talk about things with but if your above response is with regards to my post detailing Muslim martyrs in the Indian army, then adios!!!

[Guest HariSampath]

SIMI today is just an example of the principle based on which Islam came to India. In the context of Indian history, Islam was never an Indian religion , but was brought here by the invaders from Persia and Afghanistan and later forced upon people by the Muslim kings who destroyed countless temples , raped Indian women, occupied land, looted this country , and established administrative laws based on Islam. ALL of this is recorded history and indisputable facts. That same thought is now being perpetrated into action by a section of anti national Islamic elements inside India... this too is an openly known fact

[Guest HariSampath]

I thought you were a bit more logical person to talk about things with but if your above response is with regards to my post detailing Muslim martyrs in the Indian army' date=' then adios!!![/quote'] no that was NOT in response to your PVC stats, but a general post outlining how much organised Islamic and anti national movements had come to be legitimised for years despite openly stating they are against India as we know it

[Guest HariSampath]

A small joke : Some time back during the India Pakistan series, I was posting on some Pakistan forum, and in one post I had written that Pakistan should probably encourage some of their U-19 players, and I even mentioned a couple of names. One Pak member responded with a one word post "Alhamdullilah" . I searched on cricinfo for his stats and unable to come up with any, I replied to the post asking who he was as I couldn't find any record for Alhamdullilah...and I was immediately banned :D Later I was informed that it was some form of praise....and I was accused of defiling their religion

[kumble_rocks]

SIMI today is just an example of the principle based on which Islam came to India. In the context of Indian history' date=' [b']Islam was never an Indian religion , but was brought here by the invaders from Persia and Afghanistan and later forced upon people by the Muslim kings who destroyed countless temples , raped Indian women, occupied land, looted this country , and established administrative laws based on Islam. ALL of this is recorded history and indisputable facts. That same thought is now being perpetrated into action by a section of anti national Islamic elements inside India... this too is an openly known fact

Thanks for enlightening us Hari . I never know that Islam was never an Indian religion ..... BTW , are you fan of Amitabh like DR ...apparently he thinks it's okay to hobnob with Amar singh and Mulayam singh yadav .. known SIMI supporters...

[Guest HariSampath]

Thanks for enlightening us Hari . I never know that Islam was never an Indian religion .....

But the founding principle and fundamental belief in Islam had always been an Indian thought even millenia before the Quran was received by the prophet. The idea that God is a supreme formless Almighty who alone should be worshipped and to whose will alone all should subject themselves ; was always one of the key concepts in Indian spiritual thought...for thousands of years

[Guest dada_rocks]

Thanks for enlightening us Hari . I never know that Islam was never an Indian religion ..... BTW , are you fan of Amitabh like DR ...apparently he thinks it's okay to hobnob with Amar singh and Mulayam singh yadav .. known SIMI supporters...

KR you might find urself in legal tangle for these words.. Have no idea what kind of accusations u are throwing, it's punishable offence in IPC.. And yes your congressi are SIMI sympathiser no doubt about it.. IN fact other than BJP/Shiv-Sena etc all are symathisers.. Word is sympathiser not supporter... Yes if sympathiser cud become PM of country an ordinary person is allowed to have family relation with such individuals..

[Guest dada_rocks]

A small joke : Some time back during the India Pakistan series' date=' I was posting on some Pakistan forum, and in one post I had written that Pakistan should probably encourage some of their U-19 players, and I even mentioned a couple of names. One Pak member responded with a one word post "Alhamdullilah" . I searched on cricinfo for his stats and unable to come up with any, I replied to the post asking who he was as I couldn't find any record for Alhamdullilah...and I was immediately banned :D Later I was informed that it was some form of praise....and I was accused of defiling their religion[/quote'] :hysterical::haha::hysterical::haha::hysterical::haha::hysterical::haha::hysterical::haha:

[kumble_rocks]

KR you might find urself in legal tangle for these words.. Have no idea what kind of accusations u are throwing, it's punishable offence in IPC.. And yes your congressi are SIMI sympathiser no doubt about it.. IN fact other than BJP/Shiv-Sena etc all are symathisers.. Word is sympathiser not supporter... Yes if sympathiser cud become PM of country an ordinary person is allowed to have family relation with such individuals..

When did I say Amitabh supported SIMI. Let's do this exercise one more time 1. SIMI is a banned terrorist organization 2. Mulayam singh Yadav and his cohorts like Amar Singh from Samajwadi Party have soft corner for SIMI and have spoken in their defense even after the Ayodhya and Varanasi incidents completely negating their involvement in them. On the suspected involvement of SIMI in the Mumbai blasts, he said it was a matter for investigation but had his reservations . This was just to appease Muslims votes in UP. 3. Amitabh bachchan being a Mumbai resident still hobnobs with Amar Singh and Mulayam Singh Yadav. What part of my post do you read as Amitabh supporting SIMI . And keep in mind , even you can run into legal issues for accusing King Khan of having ties with underworld without proof. Remember your phrase "Mafia Khan" to describe him. Heck , forget my legal tangle , you have said far damning things about muslims without proof.. it is punishable by any number of penal codes ..

[Guest dada_rocks]

U are accusing Amar Singh is supporter and that's crime punishable under IPC. 1. check 2. check but u are again missing ur beloved party congress is as much a sympathiser as mulayam and we have one such person serving as prime minister 3.Bachchan has family relation with him he has nothign to do with amar singh's political persuasion. as i said u have PM who u love a SIMI sympathiser despite SIMI making it clear what it wants it took a NDA govt to ban them so u can be rest assured ur congressi are SIMI sympathisers .

[kumble_rocks]

1. You have accused King Khan of being Mafia Khan --- check 2. You have accused king khan of having Dawood connections without proof ... again check 3. Is this crime punishable under Indian Penal Code ... again check and yes you can replace supporter with sympathizer if it makes you happy ... boy , I thought you didn't like pedantry .. BTW, your party BJP also accuses Amar singh as SIMI sympathizer .. can they be charged under IPC ?

[Guest dada_rocks]

I have accused him for hobnobbing with mafia indirectly and denigrading Kargil heros and both facts are in public domain. NO this is not punishable otherwise all media-house wud have bene behind bars everyday bollywood heros are alleged of having mafia connection .. Sympathiser is the word there is big difference.. Once again u missed ur favourtite party's SIMI sympathy congressi are SIMI sypathiser they tolerated these uguys saved them from ban as long as they could.. Expectign some kind words for these morons from u.. U are fixated with Amar Singh who is a noboyd his sympathy hardly means much hamr but sardarrji's SIMI sympathy is dangerous

[kumble_rocks]

I have accused him for hobnobbing with mafia indirectly and denigrading Kargil heros and both facts are in public domain. NO this is not punishable otherwise all media-house wud have bene behind bars everyday bollywood heros are alleged of having mafia connection .. Sympathiser is the word there is big difference.. Once again u missed ur favourtite party's SIMI sympathy congressi are SIMI sypathiser they tolerated these uguys saved them from ban as long as they could.. Expectign some kind words for these morons from u.. U are fixated with Amar Singh who is a noboyd his sympathy hardly means much hamr but sardarrji's SIMI sympathy is dangerous

So now you are gonna be the judge jury and the prosecutor, anyways ... thanks for the free legal advice ... and practice what you preach ... don't pigeon hole muslim community or curse Mo in public forums.. you could save yourself some legal trouble .. you know what I mean .. at least the mods do and hence a ban on all religious discussions...

[Guest dada_rocks]

They are direct SIMI sympathisers; AB can't be expected to break his family ties just because someone follows psec politics....... 75% indian population is guilty of votig for these SIMI sympathiser too.. hobnobbing may not mean support politicaly but voting for these SIMI sympathisers certainly means political congruence with them.. so what do u say should we go ahead and do that.. I guess I will start with KR. which jail wud u like to go to KR

[Guest dada_rocks]

So now you are gonna be the judge jury and the prosecutor' date=' anyways ... thanks for the free legal advice ... and practice what you preach ... don't pigeon hole muslim community or curse Mo in public forums.. you could save yourself some legal trouble .. you know what I mean .. at least the mods do and hence a ban on all religious discussions...[/quote'] I have been doig it for long if quoting their text is offence then I wud like that case to be registered..... Not judge/jury just telling u the fact if u accuse someone to be supporter of some banned terrorist organisation u are playing with fire.... That's not legal tangle..... that's another dhimmi atittude and mushrooming psec influence.. Quoting somoeone's religious book is never a crime ..

[kumble_rocks]

right after you take your own advice with regards to Hindutva' date='RSS, Modi etc etc etc ... :two_thumbs_up:[/quote'] I understand you suffer from attention deficit syndrome ... pay attention one more time .. I am not interested in engaging you in any debates what so ever .. being a "Part owner" you work with the luxury of knowing that you will not be banned .. I don't .. the playing field is not even .. keep that in mind...

[Guest dada_rocks]

Hey i am not owner and I am not popular either as long as u don't lose ur marble and start abusing people's mother wife in CC style u have nothign to fear..