Why did Ponting walk?

[Guest BossBhai]

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[Anakin]

ohh Bumps baba .... this is Tendulkar you are talking about without doubt the greatest player ever to have played the game (Except in your opinion ofcourse)... and the "Riding on the stardom" thingy that you are talking about was soundly thrashed last time we discussed ... where all sorts of hilarious logic was used wherein AK turned out to be the best player according to that logic and things like a string of low scoring games encountered by India were ridiculed. You also forget that duting that socalled riding the fame period he chose not to tour the WI even though he was declared fit and the decision to play was left to him by the selectors ... some way to ride the stardom. And hasnt RD been given the exact same leeway ... while he continues to crawl away and SCG and Gangs keep pulling the team out of the hole every time ?

Too much fact there BB, and you're a blind worshipper too, so forget about it.

[Bumper]

Do you at least admit that backing a class and proven player is worth it' date=' despite some failures because they have the ability to do something which the kabaddi brigade could not dream of.[/quote'] Am all for backing. But how long do you back them ? For every Tendulkar who was backed (tho for an unreasonable period of time) & succeeded, there is a Ganguly or Zaheer, who had to be dropped to rekindle their hunger. Tendulkar himself would admit that the world cup debacle & the resting of him in the following ODI series, shook him off his comfort zone. Why should any player be unconditionally backed ? Unlike what you believe, i dont give up on class players that easily. I still back Sehwag to come good (but many of you dont, which is another topic, entirely). But unlike you guys, i have a specific criteria the player has to hit, within a specific time period. Otherwise, backing players would only backfire!

[Bumper]

ohh Bumps baba .... this is Tendulkar you are talking about without doubt the greatest player ever to have played the game (Except in your opinion ofcourse)... and the "Riding on the stardom" thingy that you are talking about was soundly thrashed last time we discussed ... where all sorts of hilarious logic was used wherein AK turned out to be the best player according to that logic and things like a string of low scoring games encountered by India were ridiculed. You also forget that duting that socalled riding the fame period he chose not to tour the WI even though he was declared fit and the decision to play was left to him by the selectors ... some way to ride the stardom. And hasnt RD been given the exact same leeway ... while he continues to crawl away and SCG and Gangs keep pulling the team out of the hole every time ?

How did Ganguly become the batsman he is today ? How did Zaheer become the bowler he is today ? I never said Tendulkar should be tossed away for good. He should have been dropped and asked to play some domestic/county games to get his form back.

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[The Outsider]

Bumper, the problem with your criteria is that you want to give the same amount of time for a failure like Yuvraj and a proven performer like Tendulkar. It can't work work like it and has been proven in this series beyond any reasonable doubt.

[Bumper]

he did that remember he sat out for a long time after the Eng series and in that summer went and played some league cricket and despite doing well decided not to tour WI ... what else do you want him to do ? Before the SAF series he played in the Malayasia ODI series and scored a big 100 in his very first match .... you still wanted to drop him ? And how was RD's perf thebest player going into the SAF series ? Made lesser runs than SRT.

SRT did not play as much cricket as a Ganguly or a Zaheer. More than the cricket, it was the hunger factor that was missing in him. Where was the guy who hooked & pulled Wasim Akram at his pomp and where is the guy who is in a hurry to walk away, without nicking the ball from Akhtar ? Didnt he appear like a man finished, back then ? Irrespective of his failures, SRT's spot in either lineups was pretty much a given. How would a man have any drive to perform with that kinda celebrity treatment even when he is failing ? I was shattered, when SRT & Dravid plotted our downfall, handing SA the decisive test match, from a vantage position, when a greenhorn like DK, played with much better attitude.That was history waiting to be made. Will SRT or Dravid get another opportunity to correct that ? Great players must raise to occassions like that. Otherwise whats the use of backing such stars. Potential is one thing. Drive is entirely another thing. How many times do we see people around us, with great potential who no longer have the drive ?

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[Bumper]

Bumper' date=' the problem with your criteria is that you want to give the same amount of time for a failure like Yuvraj and a proven performer like Tendulkar. It can't work work like it and has been proven in this series beyond any reasonable doubt.[/quote'] Two years is too long for any out of form player. The reason why that kinda backing could not be justified was because it was just based on hope, with only history as its basis with no set expectations on whats expected in the upcoming series. Even now, he has regained his form alright, but can he help us compensate for the three marquee series in which he presided over our humiliations (Ind-Pak, Ind-Eng, Ind-SA) ? Can he help us win a test match in this series ? Wouldnt that be the right payback for the faith instilled in him ?

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[The Outsider]

Two years is too long for any out of form player. The reason why that kinda backing could not be justified was because it was just based on hope, with only history as its basis with no set expectations on whats expected in the upcoming series. Even now, he has regained his form alright, but can he help us compensate for the three marquee series in which he presided over our humiliations (Ind-Pak, Ind-Eng, Ind-SA) ? Can he help us win a test match in this series ? Wouldnt that be the right payback for the faith instilled in him ?

Batsmen don't win test matches, so it's a moot question.

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[Bumper]

But you gotta stop this vendetta against SRT using various theories which dont hold up on close scrutiny ... your own favourite player has now been performing very poorly and there is absolutely no talk about him losing his place in the test side in the near future and the "yengsters" well lol .... 30 runs in 6 inngs between them.

Says who ? If Yuvraj doesnt get a couple of 50s in this series (assuming he gets to bat in 4 more innings), i wouldnt be ar$ed with him anymore. That would be a fair run for Yuvraj. No one can complain that his test potential was wasted when he was in good form in ODIs. Ditto with Sehwag, he gets one more series to prove that he can bounce back. No backing of players for a dozen years, citing class & star power.

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[Bumper]

Dont you think we would have been well on our way to victory had Bucknor not screwed up ? You also firget the royal screwing we got from Rauf and that other umpire in SAF and then the retarded decision to bat second at Mumbai. And I keep asking you ... what is your definition of a match winning knock ? (aFAIK according to you every one else needs to have rocket up their ass and then SRT needs to single handedly score runs from there what sort of logic is this ? )

India more often than not wins test matches these days, because of our renewed bowling attack. If SRT keeps playing well, he will have an opportunity to end up with a big and memorable innings in a winning test match.

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[Bumper]

BTW SRT made about 30 runs less than SCG in that SAF series ... and when I mentioned it last time .... you made some unbeleivable remark that it was still less than what SCG made ... or some such peurile thing ...

Ganguly was coming in after a looong time & top scored in the series. It was by no means extraordinary (as his avg was in the 30s), but nevertheless an admirable performance, considering how well he came back. SRT, OTOH, had been failure before that series, for the preceding 3-4 series. And ending up with an avg of 33 was nothing spectacular. Anyways, we have done & dusted this topic many times before. Its a yawn-er now.

[The Outsider]

Its a yawn-er now.

Because he has proved all your doomsday predictions wrong.:hysterical:

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