News 8th Jan: Team may not play Canberra, Bucknor out, Madugalle in as "co-referee"

[The Outsider]

OMFG!!! Reporter interviewing Borde and asking what do you think of his removal. Borde, " Err....who was removed....err who was removed along with him". A bit later, "A lot of people tell me he has lost his eyesight". Thank God this guy was never an umpire!!!

[theguyinallblue]

what about Benson....he seems to get scot free form his blunder... we must not lose focus...Bhajji was going to get clean chit..anyhow...after the appeal... we must concentrate was what was our undoing..and it was horrendous umpiring... BCCI and other like minded boards..should try get the referral system in place ASAP..

[theguyinallblue]

Just now Rajiv Shukla is giving a press conf....and i am glad that he favours that both teams should get the right to refer decisions to third umpire... i just hope they stick to this stand..its very very important for India..

[The Outsider]

Ratnakar Shetty is saying that as of now team will stay in Sydney till they hear something concrete on the Harbhajan incident from the ICC.

[suraj]

Ranjan Madugulle has been appointed to mediate between Kumble and Ponting. BCCI (Ratnakar Shetty) says Bhajji is the main issue; we will wait for ICC to act on that. ICC says appeals commissioner to be appointed in 24 hours

[sandtest]

Please Update News about Bhajji "ban" as well. damn...no access to TV at work :D

[aussiefan]

billy bowden as replacement.....he's had good and bad days....ie australia lost ashes on decision in 2005 on kaspra getting caught behind when it wasn't but i have also seen him make some excellent decisions too. he's from new zealand so you can't call him pro aussie, they hate living in our shadow and are super competitive with us in all sports..

[Zap_Brannigan]

billy bowden as replacement.....he's had good and bad days....ie australia lost ashes on decision in 2005 on kaspra getting caught behind when it wasn't but i have also seen him make some excellent decisions too. he's from new zealand so you can't call him pro aussie, they hate living in our shadow and are super competitive with us in all sports..

Benson hails from England, your bitter rivals and we all saw how that turned out to be....Ofcourse he was overruled by the 4th umpire but still. Anywho, it doesn't matter who gets appointed, as long as technology is kept out of the umpires, everyone will make mistakes.

[Chandan]

billy bowden as replacement.....he's had good and bad days....ie australia lost ashes on decision in 2005 on kaspra getting caught behind when it wasn't but i have also seen him make some excellent decisions too. he's from new zealand so you can't call him pro aussie, they hate living in our shadow and are super competitive with us in all sports..

That way even Benson could not be called pro-Aussie. Don't the Englishmen love to see Australia being defeated? Yet not only his competence but his intentions too were hugely questionable in this match.

[fineleg]

Benson hails from England, your bitter rivals and we all saw how that turned out to be....Ofcourse he was overruled by the 4th umpire but still. Anywho, it doesn't matter who gets appointed, as long as technology is kept out of the umpires, everyone will make mistakes.

Athe, athe. Egjacktly. All these buffoons will make mistakes, you gotta have technology playing a big part.

[The Outsider]

Changing the title of the thread. Latest Shukla conference says India might still go to Canberra.

[The Outsider]

Madugalle match referee for Perth test.

[suraj]

Steve Waugh weighs in: A case of cultural differences The Sydney Test will be remembered for a tremendous climax. Unfortunately it will also be remembered for all the controversy, acrimony and bad blood that the game witnessed through the five days. The win marks the equalling of our earlier streak of 16 Tests, but instead of feting the Australians for this truly tremendous achievement, the cricket world and the administrators are grappling with all that happened during these last five days. At the end of the day’s play, Anil Kumble said that only one team was playing the game in the true spirit. While he might have said it at the spur of the moment, one can understand where it’s coming from. I don’t know what was agreed upon between the two captains before the series, but I guess he had an issue with Michael Clarke, who first chose not to walk for a clear caught behind, and was later asked by the umpire about the Sourav Ganguly catch. Whatever the agreement between the teams, the umpires have to make their decisions without the assistance of the players. The umpires had a really tough game, and the mistakes they made have once again sparked the technology debate. Some questions are also being asked about whether Adam Gilchrist, who famously walks when he is out, should have appealed for the Rahul Dravid catch. Adam has clarified that if he is not fully sure, he does appeal, and yesterday he claims that he was not sure about whether or not Rahul had nicked it. Raw nerves Right through the Test and particularly on the last day, nerves were raw, and it’s sad to see the battle lines so clearly drawn between two teams that have always shared cordial relations. By the end of the day, Harbhajan Singh’s hearing was conducted and the verdict, a three-Test ban would have only upset the aggrieved Indian fans even more. I don’t think it was necessary to drag out the incident and keep it in abeyance till the end of the Test. It could have been sorted out on the field or at best at the end of the day. I don’t know if it was necessary to register a complaint with the umpires and make such a big deal out of it. At the end of the day, much of what is happening between the teams springs from an inability to understand each other’s culture. For an Indian, calling someone a monkey is not a terrible insult, and certainly not a racist one. I saw the footage of what had happened involving Andrew Symonds when the Australians were in India. Most of the spectators were just having some light-hearted banter, and there was no malice in most cases. Similarly, Indians too would be finding Australia’s aggression and desperation on the field way beyond what’s acceptable. But we play hard from the time we are youngsters in the backyard, and even our politicians go hammer and tongs at each other on television! Part of the joy of playing at the international level is trying to bridge these differences and not widening the cultural gap. Such maturity sadly comes after retirement, so while I might have done things differently from Ricky Ponting, I would not brand him as unsporting. Transparency required I doubt we have heard the last on this Harbhajan-Symonds run-in. The ICC should be a little more transparent as to what was said on the field so that there is some clarity on the issue. If Harbhajan used ‘monkey’, he was asking for trouble especially after what had happened in India. However, we don’t know what he reacted to, but the Australians always feel that he is the one Indian who is pretty easy to get a response from. I expect some protest from the Indians and would not be surprised if the ban is stayed till the end of the series. Finally I did not ever say that the Australians will win 30 Tests if they get past this one. They might do that, but as we saw yesterday, winning a Test match is hard work, and 30 Tests is a very, very large number

[sandtest]

Transcript of Bhajji hearing::D Procter: Did you call Symonds as Monkey? Bhajji: No,I called a monkey as Symonds. Procter:So you did Bhajji : (Silence) Procter : How dare,you insulted a monkey.You are banned for 3 matches. Bhajji : Sad Ponting& Co : !!??? Ponting : hey,Symonds.What he said? Symonds : What ever,he is banned.You can bat well next game. Ponting : No,Anil is also there,ask him whether he can ban him also. Symonds : We'll see in next match,if he takes your wicket,we'll complain. Ponting: Then ok. Come.

[mhr123]

Transcript of Bhajji hearing::D Procter: Did you call Symonds as Monkey? Bhajji: No,I called a monkey as Symonds. Procter:So you did Bhajji : (Silence) Procter : How dare,you insulted a monkey.You are banned for 3 matches. Bhajji : Sad Ponting& Co : !!??? Ponting : hey,Symonds.What he said? Symonds : What ever,he is banned.You can bat well next game. Ponting : No,Anil is also there,ask him whether he can ban him also. Symonds : We'll see in next match,if he takes your wicket,we'll complain. Ponting: Then ok. Come.

:haha::hysterical:

[The Outsider]

CNN-IBN making a fool out of me. Madugalle not flown in as a replacement for Proctor but as a mediator and "potential replacement".

[suraj]

CNN-IBN making a fool out of me. Madugalle not flown in as a replacement for Proctor but as a mediator and "potential replacement".

Bhaijji my sources way ahead of you or IBN see post # 45

[Zap_Brannigan]

Damn, so everything fizzled out....Too bad. It was a perfect reason to bring in more technology but the ICC,BCCI are full of dimwits. So this is exactly as i predicted before "This is what worries me. Lets say ICC postpones the hearing and let Bhajji play as well as get replacement umpires for the rest of the series and stop at that. Bhajji may or maynot get suspended later, it wont affect the ICC or CA in any way, so they go unpunished. Both the cocksucking bastards in white coat will get away too (most probably both will be removed with no penalty to either of them). Ponting and the other *******s go scott free with no inquiry into bump ball catch or hogg and not to mention the scoreline still reads 2-0."

[The Outsider]

^ Zap, they are still adamant on Harbhajan's incident come to a final conclusion before playing.

[Rajan]

I am not sure how independently Madugalle would handle the appeals. Malcolm Speed criticised Procter for letting off Yuvraj singh for staying longer at crease after adjudged out. In my opinion, that would have been a very strong influence on Procter in banning Bhajji. I read somewhere that the Lawyer who was drafted in, to assist Procter, finally took in to account -THE MAJORITY -that is Hayden, Clarke and Symonds numbers over SRT and Bhajji who are minority, 3-2,and decided that Bhajji was guilty! when the team is batting, there will be eleven fielders and only 2 batsmen, does it mean, what ever the majority tells is truth??? In my opinion,Madugalle would not overrule Procter's ban completely, may just try the compromise- "if symonds thought that i had hurt him, i apologise-from Bhajji then Ponting and Symonds forgetting and forgiving Bhajji" line in the meeting between Kumble and Ponting. I think he could not be seen letting down a fellow ICC referee, especially, with Malcolm Speed watching his act!