Is IPL hurting Indian cricket?

[Sachinism]

You really think so that is the whole purpose of IPL?:hysterical::hysterical:

I know what the real purpose of the IPL is. I'm stating what the purpose of domestic cricket is and asking if IPL does that

[The Outsider]

Wasn't IPL supposed to unearth talent? Which players has IPL unearthed for Indian cricket in T20s, forget about any other format? Wasn't IPL supposed to help our young players get used to playing under pressure situations so they could replicate it in international matches? Wasn't IPL supposed to lift the general standards of the players by having them rub shoulders with international stars? How many players' game has improved significantly after playing in the IPL? Heck, Pakistan, won the trophy last year and are in the semis this time round 2 games away from another title without playing a single IPL match! Here is what IPL has done : 1. Put players into comfort zones financially at a very early stage of their careers. 2. Given false sense of achievement by smacking around domestic trundlers and getting a clutch of wickets. 3. Undeniable wear and tear on the body in an already packed international calendar. and much more, but am too lazy type all of it down.

[kabira]

Wasn't IPL supposed to unearth talent? Which players has IPL unearthed for Indian cricket in T20s, forget about any other format? Wasn't IPL supposed to help our young players get used to playing under pressure situations so they could replicate it in international matches? Wasn't IPL supposed to lift the general standards of the players by having them rub shoulders with international stars? How many players' game has improved significantly after playing in the IPL? Heck, Pakistan, won the trophy last year and are in the semis this time round 2 games away from another title without playing a single IPL match! Here is what IPL has done : 1. Put players into comfort zones financially at a very early stage of their careers. 2. Given false sense of achievement by smacking around domestic trundlers and getting a clutch of wickets. 3. Undeniable wear and tear on the body in an already packed international calendar. and much more, but am too lazy type all of it down.

Again, IPL is 20-20 league, you cannot unearth talent in T20 format. Unless he is tear away fast bowler. You are trying to say that since our players play IPL they will become world beaters. LOL at that. If that was the case, England would have ruled the Test and ODI since 20 years they have been playing foreigners in their county championship to make sure their players learn from stars. But they are yet to produce great test team. LOL at Shwetabh for asking too much from IPL.

[The Outsider]

Again, IPL is 20-20 league, you cannot unearth talent in T20 format. Unless he is tear away fast bowler. You are trying to say that since our players play IPL they will become world beaters. LOL at that. If that was the case, England would have ruled the Test and ODI since 20 years they have been playing foreigners in their county championship to make sure their players learn from stars. But they are yet to produce great test team. LOL at Shwetabh for asking too much from IPL.

Weren't all these things told to us non believers of IPL when the league was formed? I am not expecting them to be world beaters - that's just you putting words into my mouth. So all IPL is good for is getting our players injured and knackered for the big international matches according to you? In that case, you and I agree that IPL adds nothing to Indian cricket from a purely cricketing perspective except causes fatigue, injuries, and a false sense of complacency. Glad we agree that IPL is crap from a cricketing perspective. If it's supposed to do anything more then we should have gone into semi finals once.

[kabira]

^why does it not injure foreign players?? Dirk Nannes, Warner, Gayle, Jayawardane, Malingas?? can you answer that? If it tires our players and makes them fit, its not IPLs fault its their fault.

[amar1212]

Let me tell u whats hurting Indian cricket 1)bollywood--sharukh khan, Priety Zinta etc.. 2)Clubs-late night parties 3)Media---extremely over hyping the-players and then expecting them to be the best of the best 5)Media again--after India loses, then tv channels extremely over-embarrass the team, therefore putting even more pressure on the players to do well... 4)Indian People--for believing in the media, and losing faith after every loss 5)Modi--giving away $$$ to the players 6)IPL--indian players playing for money/instead of representing country.

[Manny_Pacquiao]

IPL is only good for 1 thing: bringing a bit of recognition to indian cricketers who have no chance of making the national team and raising their standard of living. someone like umesh yadav is the son of a miner, and after just 1 season of the ipl his life will be a lot better because of the money he earned in those 3 weeks. but apart from that, IPL is useless. most direct consequence is seen in india's performances in t20 world cup, held right after 4 weeks of nonstop cricket. more indrect consequences: - setting bad example for kids who will think of t20 style cricket as quickest way to make money and deter them from learning proper cricket - turning a generation of indian batsmen into front foot sloggers - spawning generation of useless bowlers who don't try to take wickets but just avoid getting hit in their 3/4 overs - lots of worthless glitz and glamour from sh/t-faced ballywood hijdas which make cricketers complacent and less professional in preparation but despite all this IPL will continue to survive because it makes loads of money and the gand00s in the indian public keep supporting it by packing stadiums

[SRT195]

more than the IPL i think the quality of pitches in India that is hurting Indian cricket ... with low slow wicket/flat tracks any tom dick & harry can score runs ... the problem comes when they go abroad & play on quality pitches

[The Outsider]

I give up. IPL causes no fatigue and injury. It's all great for Indian cricket. Just wait and watch till it takes us to new heights in around 100 years for that's how long it took Ranji Trophy to take us to number 1. Enjoy, have fun, adios! :bye:

[Mr. Wicket]

I give up. IPL causes no fatigue and injury. It's all great for Indian cricket. Just wait and watch till it takes us to new heights in around 100 years for that's how long it took Ranji Trophy to take us to number 1.

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[Guest BossBhai]

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[mastana]

People still loving IPL? F*** IPL. Can't you see what its doing to our players? For me India and Indian team comes first. And i am very disappointed that we are sending our second string team to Zim tri series. Don't forget Sri Lanka is also there. We should try to win every international match but here our senior players wants to take rest because they appeared in IPL and IPL night parties(which was actually longer than an IPL match). Because of some bhaands from bollywood who are just there to promote themselves and their films this IPL looks cheap. Players like Ishant Sharma are getting easy money they should be made to work hard to earn money. :wall:

[The Outsider]

Just to add on to my previous post, most players work on their technical shortcomings and flaws that have crept into their game during the off season. IPL has been slotted smack in that off season. When are guys like Raina and Gambhir supposed to rectify their shortcomings against the short ball? When is Yuvraj supposed to recuperate and get fit from the lingering injuries? Dhoni is a walking disaster waiting to happen with his workload. The road to county cricket has also been shut off for our cricketers because all that's important is the IPL! And if these players are not fatigued and do not need rest why have they not been selected for the tri series against SL and Zimbabwe?

[kabira]

^you are saying that if there was no IPL, indian team would have rested? Lulzer. You know BCCI don't you. There would have been tri series here, bilateral there etc. In Todays calendar, there is no time to work on you weakness, does not matter if you are Indian or Australia, thats why ponting has been mediore, The sucker did not rest in single game. Ok IPL is issue, but its issue for all, not only indian, every teams core should be affected.

[Precambrian]

Just to add on to my previous post, most players work on their technical shortcomings and flaws that have crept into their game during the off season. IPL has been slotted smack in that off season. When are guys like Raina and Gambhir supposed to rectify their shortcomings against the short ball? When is Yuvraj supposed to recuperate and get fit from the lingering injuries? Dhoni is a walking disaster waiting to happen with his workload. The road to county cricket has also been shut off for our cricketers because all that's important is the IPL! And if these players are not fatigued and do not need rest why have they not been selected for the tri series against SL and Zimbabwe?

Ha ha, you expect BCCI to let 2 months go without any cricket just because they care about India's chances in a mickey mouse tournament? Keep dreaming. Now coming to rest factor. India always had their off season in June and sometimes July. Never in April or May. Remember all those summer vacation tournaments in Sharjah during the 90s? By June July it starts raining, and it becomes impossible to schedule matches and is the right time to give our key players rest. Now, do they deserve the rest? I'd say Dhoni, and Raina most certainly deserve rest as they're the ones who have been taking most effort in the last 7 months as demonstrated by our list above. Zaheer needs rest because he is well past 30, is our strike bowler and is a fast bowler. So there is nothing for him to achieve by playing in an out of FTP tournament. Same applies for Bhajji, etc. But I can't understand logic of resting Yuvraj. He has been out of form, hasn't really played that much to be on crutches and need such matches to get back into form. He is already overweight and you don't gain weigt when you're fatigued.

[Params7]

Good point about Yuvi. His biggest issue is being overweight, and guess what is the best way to lose weight? The man can't play enough cricket even if he plays a match everyday. Once he gets back in shape, he can worry about getting back in form.

[thevortex]

Two things caught my eye in this recent discussion between Outsider and Precambrian. Dhoni is a disaster waiting to happen (injury because of workload). When will Gambhir sort his problems out with the short ball? The first one is self explanatory. The captain has too much on his shoulders and this cannot carry on. For those who are observant it would be easy to see that Dhoni has nary a hair which is black on his head or his beard for that matter. Such are the stress levels the man is going through. Just about 2-3 years back the man had almost no grey hairs (at least ones that were visible on TV). Dhoni is obviously not going to have as long a career as some of the top batsmen because he also keeps. But he has done very well till now. How long he can carry on doing this is something the selectors have to take a call on? They also have to take a call on whether they respect Dhoni's batting enough to ask somebody like Karthik don the gloves and ask Dhoni to play as a specialist batsman. The second one is something I have been maintaining for a long time. That Gambhir is neither the greatest of players against spin bowling or of short pitched bowling. I remember when I once criticized Gambhir on this forum, it was pointed out to me that he was the top scorer of the season or something. Fallibilities just sit there waiting to be utilized. So a Raina could be the top scorer for a season until somebody makes use of his fallibilities. Thats the way it works. Gambhir looks good against spinners when he attacks them. But that cannot always be the case. He is very poor against spinners in defense. He is not abysmal against the short delivery. But he is nowhere near as good as how Ravi Shastri makes him out to be either! How many here would have included Gambhir as being vulnerable to short pitched bowling before the T20 world cup? How many here would have criticized Dhoni's captaincy before the T20 world cup? Therein lies a lot of answers. We dont like to be criticized or to learn lessons when we are winning. If that is the case, then the fall is always going to be longer and harder.

[thevortex]

I don't care much about his weight problem, what the fock happened to his six hitting abilities ? in the decisive match against Lankans, he just hit a casual shot and got out ( action replay of typical IPL3 umpteen times ) in reply, Lankans hammered sixes in the last overs to win the match. infact M, Yusuf are also culprits for not hitting big shots in a decider with so many wickets in hand.

Do you happen to believe that his weight problems have no connection with his batting failures?

[The Outsider]

^you are saying that if there was no IPL, indian team would have rested? Lulzer. You know BCCI don't you. There would have been tri series here, bilateral there etc. In Todays calendar, there is no time to work on you weakness, does not matter if you are Indian or Australia, thats why ponting has been mediore, The sucker did not rest in single game. Ok IPL is issue, but its issue for all, not only indian, every teams core should be affected.

You can look up the schedules of the Indian team before the IPL and after IPL to confirm for yourself about players getting an extra 1-2 months window. Just throwing around words is of little relevance. There is actual data you can look at.

Raina shortcomings were found out during IPL 2 and T20 WC last year. You mean to say that 1 year is not enough to work on his shortcomings? He was part of the squad with all the resources available and plenty of International cricket to work on it. He just got better at leaving the short balls alone.

Well, at least he has got better at leaving short balls alone by your own admission. These kind of things cannot be corrected overnight, they take time. He can improve against the short ball by playing county cricket, so can the likes of Ishant and Mishra. Both of them have been denied permission to play county cricket thanks to IPL.

[The Outsider]

Ha ha, you expect BCCI to let 2 months go without any cricket just because they care about India's chances in a mickey mouse tournament? Keep dreaming. Now coming to rest factor. India always had their off season in June and sometimes July. Never in April or May. Remember all those summer vacation tournaments in Sharjah during the 90s? By June July it starts raining, and it becomes impossible to schedule matches and is the right time to give our key players rest.

I don't have to dream. You can look up the Indian team's workload pre and post IPL to confirm for yourself. As I said to another poster, no need to throw around rhetoric, when you have actual data to look up to.

Now, do they deserve the rest? I'd say Dhoni, and Raina most certainly deserve rest as they're the ones who have been taking most effort in the last 7 months as demonstrated by our list above. Zaheer needs rest because he is well past 30, is our strike bowler and is a fast bowler. So there is nothing for him to achieve by playing in an out of FTP tournament. Same applies for Bhajji, etc. But I can't understand logic of resting Yuvraj. He has been out of form, hasn't really played that much to be on crutches and need such matches to get back into form. He is already overweight and you don't gain weigt when you're fatigued.

Good that you agree that the majority of the players need rest. We can discuss the Yuvraj issue separately. He is overweight and unfit. His knee is wobbly and has been putting off surgery. Now, I am no doctor and it might turn out that the knee does not need surgery, but at the very least it needs a long term fix. Till 1-2 years back, with Yuvraj and Dhoni in the middle order any ODI/T20 target was achievable by this side. Yuvraj is a huge blow to the team. I am not sure how constantly playing T20s day in and out helps him. Why has the BCCI not selected a full squad for our international commitments next month in Zimbabwe? Why has the BCCI stopped players from featuring in county cricket which can benefit their game? If you can answer these two questions without naming the three lettered acronym, I'll hand it to you.