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But Gilchrist was feared for him batting up the order which started the whole keeper that has to bat trend. Sure Sanath pushed the slogger mode but Gilchrist made it what it is. Also Bevan is way too high up the order. Should be 6 or 7 but it depends on depth. Also none of these bowlers are death bowler specialists or that can change the pace like umm an Allrounder Steve Waugh, Ian Botham, Chris Cairns, Starc or now with Faulkner.
Um....I have Wasim the greatest death bowler bowler. Changing pace is not the only req for a death over bowler. See my new lineup above.
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I agree. On second thoughts, the batting is a trifle weaker at the expense of more dynamism. As for McGrath before Lee, I just listed the bowlers. Not in the perfect batting order. Flintoff is a good choice. I also have an alternate version. The only reason I didn't pick Dhoni was because Dhoni hasn't performed in WCs barring the final. But if I were to be honest and consider Dhoni's whole career properly, he is on par if not better than Bevan as a finisher. Plus he can play anywhere in the XI. Bevan vs Dhoni is purely one's preference. Another version is this: SRT Gilly (WK and opener) Ponting Viv Dhoni Bevan Kapil or Lance Akram Warne Lee McGrath 2 solid openers. 2 solid middle order player. 2 ATG finishers who don't get out at all 1 No 7 slogger For bowling, I have 5 proper bowlers. Plus Viv and Bevan and even SRT to role their arms over in case its needed. 1. I feel having Sanath brings a new dimension to the lineup (both batting and bowling POV). Makes the lineup more dynamic at the cost of stability. 2. ABDV is actually a very good choice. Brings the perfect balance to the batting order and links top order with lower order. The only issue is that I am not sold on him as a pressure player in ODIs yet (in Tests, yeah he is). 3. Dhoni averages 55 at No 5 and can be called one of greatest pressure players along with Bevan.
Bevans stats were slightly skewed due to his not out %, but he was a great finisher and I think he deserves his spot, but not at 5, Dhoni has him for raw firepower though.
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Bevans stats were slightly skewed due to his not out %' date=' but he was a great finisher and I think he deserves his spot, but not at 5, Dhoni has him for raw firepower though.[/quote'] That's why I put Dhoni at 5 (avg 55 there) and Bevan at 6 (avg 56 there). There is NOTHING wrong in finishers having high not outs. Dhoni and Bevan have finished countless games by staying till the end. For a finisher with good runs sample set, being not out should be a compliment.
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I don't like Dhoni in that team personally especially that high if he is not keeping. For me what I've seen which crosses a few players out. 1. Gilchrist 2. Hayden It is about partnerships 3. Ponting 4. Tendulkar Two of the bests 5. Symonds - He can bowl, bat, field and can destroy oppositions 6. Bevan - Finisher Two great guys in ODIs 7. Chris Harris - Carins is a cheat, Kluenser wasn't as consistent, Razzaq has spinach poisoning. Faulkner has more cricket left in him to assess. Harris could do it all while being bald. Allrounder that is a good death bowler, great lower order slogger 8. Shaun Pollock - Depth, skill and a good death bowler that can bat very well 9. Wasim Akram - Swing and pace 10. Shane Warne - Pretty obvious 11. Glenn McGrath - Duh. Yes I didn't put the best but these guys I loved a team. Yes I know Tendulkar opened a lot but the combination of Hayden and Gilchrist was too good. Bowling wise I have Symonds to McGrath, so I can change a lot.

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I don't like Dhoni in that team personally especially that high if he is not keeping. For me what I've seen which crosses a few players out. 1. Gilchrist 2. Hayden It is about partnerships 3. Ponting 4. Tendulkar Two of the bests 5. Symonds - He can bowl, bat, field and can destroy oppositions 6. Bevan - Finisher Two great guys in ODIs 7. Chris Harris - Carins is a cheat, Kluenser wasn't as consistent, Razzaq has spinach poisoning. Faulkner has more cricket left in him to assess. Harris could do it all while being bald. Allrounder that is a good death bowler, great lower order slogger 8. Shaun Pollock - Depth, skill and a good death bowler that can bat very well 9. Wasim Akram - Swing and pace 10. Shane Warne - Pretty obvious 11. Glenn McGrath - Duh. Yes I didn't put the best but these guys I loved a team. Yes I know Tendulkar opened a lot but the combination of Hayden and Gilchrist was too good. Bowling wise I have Symonds to McGrath, so I can change a lot.
Australian XI, very much. Not a World XI. Chris Harris is a terrible choice for an all rounder in a World XI - batting strike of 66, bowling average of 38. He was decent bowler while bowling in NZ - outside home he averaged 40+ in nearly every country he bowled in. Doubt he would make a NZ XI.
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My personal XI: 1. Sachin Tendulkar 2. Adam Gilchrist 3. Ricky Ponting 4. Michael Hussey 5. MS Dhoni 6. Kapil Dev 7. Wasim Akram 8. Waqar Younis 9. Shane Warne 10. Saqlain Mushtaq 11. Glenn Mcgrath I was about to take Sanath Jayasuria instead of Gilchrist paaji, but felt paaji more consistent than Sanathji.

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Australian XI, very much. Not a World XI. Chris Harris is a terrible choice for an all rounder in a World XI - batting strike of 66, bowling average of 38. He was decent bowler while bowling in NZ - outside home he averaged 40+ in nearly every country he bowled in. Doubt he would make a NZ XI.
Eh I like him.
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I would rather trust a neutral 11 chosen by cricinfo rather than the bbc or bradman 11 nonsense chosen with rose tinted glasses.
IMO there is really no neutral XI. Every one has their bias. Cricinfo is not reliable either, because the list is ultimately made by individuals. Old timers tend to be biased by old players, new timers tend to be biased by new players. Indians tend to be overlooked by subcontinental fans and experts due to team rivalries. Pakistanis and SL always join hands when it comes to attacking India - this rivalry has become worse ever since the IPL began. The British and Aussies tend to have very high bias towards their players and often tend to show anti India bias. There is no doubt we are the biggest and the richest board, we have the most number of enemies.
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Was confused between Viv and Ponting' date=' but instinctively felt Ponting plays spin better than Viv. Again, purely self opinion.[/quote'] Please tell me you are not old enough to see Viv....... Viv made world class spin look like pie chuckers. This notion that Ponting was fantastic against spin is weird, he averaged about 10 in India!
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Please tell me you are not old enough to see Viv....... Viv made world class spin look like pie chuckers. This notion that Ponting was fantastic against spin is weird' date=' he averaged about 10 in India![/quote'] Spin was indeed Viv's weak suite. In the 167 matches he was dismissed, Viv averaged 25 against spinners and 38 against pacers. (He was not out in 20 games). Viv was particularly weak against left arm spin against whom he averaged a mere 23. He was strongest against right arm pacers against whom he averaged 40 in matches dismissed.
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