Hogg's 'bastard' defence; India withdraw complaint on Hogg

[DesiChap]

By Iain Payten January 11, 2008 12:00am AUSTRALIA will argue the term bastard does not insult a persons descent in a bid to have Brad Hogg escape suspension and be available for the third Test. India have laid a charge against Hogg under section 3.3 of the ICCs code of conduct after alleging the spinner used the word to captain Anil Kumble and Mahendra Dhoni in Sydney. Hogg is believed to have said: I cant wait to run through you bastards, which is claimed to have offended the Indian pair due to the fact a bastard is of low social standing in their home country. Under section 3.3 the same section under which Harbhajan Singh was suspended - it is illegal to offend of vilify another player on the basis of race, religion, gender, colour, descent or national or ethnic origin. But Australia believe the sticking point is whether bastard fits in this section believing it to be relevant to someones lineage, and not their descent. If Hogg was found guilty of a lesser abusive language charge hed be available to play in Perth. If not, he'd face a 2-4 Test ban. After speculation emerged the Indian camp would drop the charge on Wednesday, Kumble later confirmed the allegation would stand but refused to rule out a late change of tactics at the hearing before ICC match referee Mike Proctor on January 14. "We will wait until the hearing, and whatever stand we take we will let you know,`` Kumble said. http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,23034608-5006069,00.html

[yoda]

But Australia believe the sticking point is whether bastard fits in this section believing it to be relevant to someones lineage, and not their descent.

lineage vs descent :giggle:

[DesiChap]

Yeah humiliating someone's lineage is perfectly Australian

[Anakin]

Bhajji has evolution on his side, Hoggy doesn't have anything other than their fooked up mentality.

[Guest dada_rocks]

HE used the phrase "you bastards" The letter 's' there means he addreesed indians as bastard in general..... That is racism

[msb1991]

I just wanted to clarify that in England (and likely Australia), bastard is a very unoffensive word. I believe that this is a misunderstanding between different countries.

[aussiefan]

which bastard called all of you bastards a bastard?

[gs]

which bastard called all of you bastards a bastard?

that Monkey Hogg!:D

[Guest HariSampath]

In India "monkey" is not considered offensive as there are plenty of monkeys in our country, I guess thats why "bastard" is not considered offensive in Australia

[DesiChap]

In India "monkey" is not considered offensive as there are plenty of monkeys in our country' date=' I guess thats why "bastard" is not considered offensive in Australia[/quote']:D

[Andrew]

In Australia: Offensive: You are a Bastard! Not offensive/jovial affection (eg: a group plays a prank on someone): You're all a bunch of baarrrsteds I think India should go through with the case though. In Australia, as mates we call each other anything. Actually the better mates you are the worse the language: eg: great mates would call eachother f******* baarrsteds. So from a 'laws of the game' perspective it is a bit hypocritical of Australian's to tolerate no ambiguity around the word 'monkey' but then request leniency and flexibility around words like bastard because it is just said in 'mateship'?

[gs]

In India "monkey" is not considered offensive as there are plenty of monkeys in our country' date=' I guess thats why "bastard" is not considered offensive in Australia[/quote'] Totally below the belt :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:

[Bumper]

In India "monkey" is not considered offensive as there are plenty of monkeys in our country' date=' I guess thats why "bastard" is not considered offensive in Australia[/quote'] :haha:, is that true with 'Farking homo' too ?

[Andrew]

:haha:' date=' is that true with 'Farking homo' too ?[/quote'] You could call a good mate that. But you would probably call them a "dirty big poof". It is a very nuanced culture in those respects.

[Ram]

If a team is going to report an opposition player everytime he is going to utter words like "Bastard" then EVERY player in international cricket is going to be banned at some point or the other. Keeping in mind how Kumble told that Ponting had turned down his request for not reporting Bhajji, i think this is purely a retaliatory move on part of the Ind team. Unfortunately, Hogg happened to be at the receiving end of it.

[Rajan]

In India "monkey" is not considered offensive as there are plenty of monkeys in our country' date=' I guess thats why "bastard" is not considered offensive in Australia[/quote'] classic! Hari u r banned. Procter is visiting the site. that lawyer is also logging in! U r gone!

[Bumper]

You could call a good mate that. But you would probably call them a "dirty big poof". It is a very nuanced culture in those respects.

Am sure neither Hoggy nor Symmo considered any of the Indians their good mates. However in India, we use the word monkey to describe somebody naughty & mischievous. Infact we even worship Hanuman (monkey god).

[Guest HariSampath]

You could call a good mate that. But you would probably call them a "dirty big poof". It is a very nuanced culture in those respects.

dirty big poof

[Andrew]

Am sure neither Hoggy nor Symmo considered any of the Indians their good mates. However in India' date=' we use the word monkey to describe somebody naughty & mischievous. Infact we even worship Hanuman (monkey god).[/quote'] So do we. We use it ALL the time. We also say: You monkey: our meaning is more of a clown than naughty and mischievous. You goose: someone who is hopeless. You donkey: someone who should stop trying. You chicken: someone who is weak. But you would have to have a comfortable relationship with people to call them these. If you called a stranger these things you would get punched in the face.

[Guest HariSampath]

So if Symmo had said to Bhajji after he tapped Brett Lee's bottom " don't monkey around with another monkey's monkey"...what would that have been ?