sandtest Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 i think Yousuf is from one woman...and irfan and the girl is from another... Then they can perform a Nikah!! provided the boy and girl are consenting and MALE witness is available. Mark the word male, Islam do not consider woman to be worthy over male as witness!! It's a fact under Sunnah! *ducks for cover from feminists*
SachDan Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 Zubin, there is a lot of influence of Islamic culture upon day today life of Dharmic people of India, due to our history. You given an example of South, let me point an example of North. In UP and Rajasthan -- from where Islamists invaded India, even today marraiges are performed in Night time!! Why? Reason is, during those time we North Indians were ruled by Islamists, and under Shariah law any prayer practice other than Islam is discouraged. Since Hindu marraige requires Havan, Yagna etc, to avoid, conflicts with Muslim rulers, our ancestors in north India started performing marraiges in night --- and from their on it took the form of culture. While in South hindus you can still see the marraiges in broad daylight! Why so now?...Isn't it a time for change? We SI are blessed in that regard.
zubinpepsi Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 Zubin, there is a lot of influence of Islamic culture upon day today life of Dharmic people of India, due to our history. You given an example of South, let me point an example of North. In UP and Rajasthan -- from where Islamists invaded India, even today marraiges are performed in Night time!! Why? Reason is, during those time we North Indians were ruled by Islamists, and under Shariah law any prayer practice other than Islam is discouraged. Since Hindu marraige requires Havan, Yagna etc, to avoid, conflicts with Muslim rulers, our ancestors in north India started performing marraiges in night --- and from their on it took the form of culture. While in South hindus you can still see the marraiges in broad daylight! vow.. thanks for the info..sandy... i Infact asked my housemate abt tht.. he saiid tht was the custom.. i was surprised to know tht marriages happen in the night.. but I have no idea.. how this custom of marriage within a family came about in tamilnadu n kerala (as danra confirmed it)..
sandtest Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 U know TGIB, I thought this is common for all hindus in India.. only 4 yrs ago i realized tht its common only in tamilnadu... one of my hsemate was frm delhi.. he was surprised when i said this thing.. and so was I.... Manu-Smriti strongly discourages incest marraiges! Even science has proved that marrying among close relation may lead to genetics related diseases after a generation.
Guest dada_rocks Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 Zubin, there is a lot of influence of Islamic culture upon day today life of Dharmic people of India, due to our history. You given an example of South, let me point an example of North. In UP and Rajasthan -- from where Islamists invaded India, even today marraiges are performed in Night time!! Why? Reason is, during those time we North Indians were ruled by Islamists, and under Shariah law any prayer practice other than Islam is discouraged. Since Hindu marraige requires Havan, Yagna etc, to avoid, conflicts with Muslim rulers, our ancestors in north India started performing marraiges in night --- and from their on it took the form of culture. While in South hindus you can still see the marraiges in broad daylight! That was some new information for me, this day and night stuff.. thanks for enlightening :two_thumbs_up: So many things used to be forced those days for instance no hindus can live in muslim locality..although these days bunch of p-seculars on tv screens would go on and on about it as if it were hindu's creation....
sandtest Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 Why so now?...Isn't it a time for change? We SI are blessed in that regard. Because we UP-Rajasthan were the first to be invaded by islamic raiders, in a way we acted as gateway for entrance of Islam and as a buffer state. South Indians got lucky due to geography!
zubinpepsi Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 Manu-Smriti strongly discourages incest marraiges! Even science has proved that marrying among close relation may lead to genetics related diseases after a generation. tht i agree n i have seen it.. infact well educated families dont do tht.. cuz they r aware of this.. i have seen many such cases in my village.. though its a custom in tamilnadu.. I really couldnt accept tht.. comeon.. how can u marry someon whom u know as a child n have played with them.. its bit awkward.. I infact got some proposals .. I promptly told my parents i cant do tht... but the biggest struggle i have now is convincing my parents for an inter-caste marriage... boy! tht seems ***in impossible....
FistOfFury Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 From what i've been told, Cousin marriage is very common in south India. In general it seems North Indian Hindus dont marry their cousins. However, if you look in the scripture you will find a few rare cases of cousin marriage amongst the Kshatriya Kings eg. Abhimanyu the son of Arjun married Subhadra, His First Cousin and the Sister of Lord Krishna. Also, Arjun's Grandson, Maharaj Pariksit also married his first cousin. But it seems these instances were quite rare and only done amongst royalty for political reasons. (while the muslims do this generation after generation....).
sandtest Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 That was some new information for me, this day and night stuff.. thanks for enlightening :two_thumbs_up: Actually DR, Last month I was in UP to attend my cousins marraige. There happen to be a Vedantic scholor from Allahabad University, who accompanied Seema Dwivedi, the ex-MLA of BJP in our area. This question I asked him, in presence of all. Even he admitted this thing and pointed that "Shubh Muhurtam" for marraige can easily happen in broad daylight. I still wonder, what is preventing our UP people to revert back to their original Vedic practices! At least take a leaf from South Indian Hindus.
Guest dada_rocks Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 From what i've been told, Cousin marriage is very common in south India. In general it seems North Indian Hindus dont marry their cousins. However, if you look in the scripture you will find a few rare cases of cousin marriage amongst the Kshatriya Kings eg. Abhimanyu the son of Arjun married Subhadra, His First Cousin and the Sister of Lord Krishna. Also, Arjun's Grandson, Maharaj Pariksit also married his first cousin. But it seems these instances were quite rare and only done amongst royalty for political reasons. (while the muslims do this generation after generation....). Man you need to revisit scriptures..... Abhimanyu is son of Subhadra and Arjun.......He was married to Uttara Virat king's daughter
sandtest Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 From what i've been told, Cousin marriage is very common in south India. In general it seems North Indian Hindus dont marry their cousins. However, if you look in the scripture you will find a few rare cases of cousin marriage amongst the Kshatriya Kings eg. Abhimanyu the son of Arjun married Subhadra, His First Cousin and the Sister of Lord Krishna. Also, Arjun's Grandson, Maharaj Pariksit also married his first cousin. But it seems these instances were quite rare and only done amongst royalty for political reasons. (while the muslims do this generation after generation....). Actually, you can find examples of Kings, marrying in relations!...But that cannot be considered as "DHARMIC" practice. Atharva Veda and Manu-Smriti in Hinduism are considered as source for Marriage rules. They both prohibit Incest marraige as "adharma".
Guest dada_rocks Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 Actually DR, Last month I was in UP to attend my cousins marraige. There happen to be a Vedantic scholor from Allahabad University, who accompanied Seema Dwivedi, the ex-MLA of BJP in our area. This question I asked him, in presence of all. Even he admitted this thing and pointed that "Shubh Muhurtam" for marraige can easily happen in broad daylight. I still wonder, what is preventing our UP people to revert back to their original Vedic practices! At least take a leaf from South Indian Hindus. I guess one reasoon could be that folks may not get opportunity to show ostentatious lighting whihc is such an essential part these days during day-time..
sandtest Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 So many things used to be forced those days for instance no hindus can live in muslim locality..although these days bunch of p-seculars on tv screens would go on and on about it as if it were hindu's creation.... Our history has strong Marxist influence. After independence, many history chapters were carefully re-written or wrapped under tha carpet by historian to deliberately suppress the Nationalism among Indians and disgusting that it was done in the name of generating "Social Harmony". have you ever wondered, why Marxist historians like Romilla Thapar and present day Ramchandra Guha are fecilitated with many awards and praises by West and Middle east?? because they did the greatest favor to them by suppressing the history of India -- the most impostant history on planet and thus inhibiting gung-ho Nationalism among Indians. There is a reason, why we should hate British and USA sometimes!
SachDan Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 tht i agree n i have seen it.. infact well educated families dont do tht.. cuz they r aware of this.. i have seen many such cases in my village.. though its a custom in tamilnadu.. I really couldnt accept tht.. comeon.. how can u marry someon whom u know as a child n have played with them.. its bit awkward.. I infact got some proposals .. I promptly told my parents i cant do tht... but the biggest struggle i have now is convincing my parents for an inter-caste marriage... boy! tht seems ***in impossible.... :nervous:
DomainK Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 Medically, its not advisable to marry a first or second cousin. In fact, you should stay away from family as much as possible. Many sects in Sanatan dharm do check for 'gotra' (origin of family) before marriage. If Gotra is the same, then the two people are descendants of the same origin and hence they should not marry. Medically its considered wrong because the possible gene conflict can result in complications in child birth and can result in a physically or mentally underdeveloped off spring. Cousin marriages are usually allowed to help a community grow...specifically when its in minority. I believe Islam and several other communities initially allowed this to help their community grow in countries where they are very low in number. If cousin marriages are not allowed, the minorities wont have a choice but marry outside. However, I believe its the parents' responsibility to avoid it as much as possible. I have a Muslim friend who fell in love and married his first maternal cousin. I learned at that time the reason why its more frequent than it should be. The conservative environment does not allow them much frequency with same religion females outside their family. The outsider females stay in veils and do not communicate much. Therefore a young boys and girls automatically get emotionally involved with where the exposure is: in the family. My friend apparantly did not have a friendship with any other female of his religion. His uncle used to frequently visit them and the cousins spent some time together. Both did not have much interaction with the opposite sex of the same religion. They naturally fell in love and got married. Their families were happy and so were they. Some Indian and Hindu communities also do the same. It was explained to me by a friend whose community does allow cousin marriages. They strictly dont do it anymore because they are now educated, advanced and understand the complications. But he was explaining why it is allowed- to allow the community to grow.
Guest dada_rocks Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 Oke majority of conservative background people from rural india do not interact with female members beyond their sibling/cousin.. I don't see them falling in love and indulging in incest..
DomainK Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 Because these people know that its not an option. They dont even think on those lines....they simply cant. But A Muslim grows up knowing that a cousin is a practical option.
King Tendulkar Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 Cousin marriages are usually allowed to help a community grow...specifically when its in minority. I believe Islam and several other communities initially allowed this to help their community grow in countries where they are very low in number. If cousin marriages are not allowed, the minorities wont have a choice but marry outside. However, I believe its the parents' responsibility to avoid it as much as possible. Also to keep wealth within the family
nospam Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 i am confused some what...how is this possible... Aamir Khan is launching his own sister's son in a movie.. this new kid happens to be the Grandson of Monsoor Khan..who is the brother of Aamir Khan's Father. so does this mean..Aamir khan's sister married her Father's Brother's Son???? Holy Crap.... they are brothers and sisters... Disgusting...how is this possible...? if i heard it right in the interview(indiafm), imran called mansoor mama, according to wikipedia mansoor khan is his maternal unlce thread closed ??
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