Pakistani villagers confirm it's the home of Mumbai killer

[vroomfondel]

paaji' date=' tusi taan dasson na, tuhanu kiway aandi aan shahmukhi[/quote'] zara tehzeeb se pesh aaiye janaab :winky:

[vroomfondel]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/3628614/Mumbai-attacks-police-admit-there-were-more-than-ten-attackers.html Cross post from bharat rakshas :)

The lone surviving gunman, Azam Amir Qasab, appears to have been trained in five separate LeT camps across Pakistan over an 18 month period. This instruction covered close combat, hostage taking and urban warfare. Indian officials say that Qasab's account includes descriptions of uniformed Pakistani army officers, complete with official name badges, being present in these training facilities.

Computer-generated photographs of two suspects, who are believed to be on the run, were circulated to Mumbai's police stations. Until this development, the number of gunmen was officially placed at 10 - with nine killed in the fighting and another captured alive. But the orders for police to hunt two suspects indicates that at least 12 terrorists raided prominent targets cross the city. Eleven days after the attacks, the definitive number of gunmen is still unknown, with some estimates ranging as high as 24.

[ludhianvi]

zara tehzeeb se pesh aaiye janaab :winky:

kar lo gall, inney vadhiya taan aakhya si

[seedhi]

Hindi article mein jyaada dam nahin hai :(( It mentions that people in the village are nervous, the village is crowded with security people etc etc, but stops shorts of villagers suggesting the piglet is from there. The closest version is that of the Maulavi Saheb who says there is a chap named Ajmal or Aazam. In a nutshell it does sound promising but not conclusive. :((:(( Thanks for sharing PK.

There are FBI agents on the ground in pakistan and have almost surely confirmed that the terrorist hails from that place. I read somewhere that India has provided the DNA sample of Ajmal to the FBI and they might have used that also. Point is that there is so much overwhelming evidence that pakistan is soon going to be humiliated internationally for its initial denials. The FBI is obligated to file a report since US citizens have been killed and it will make everything clear to the world. If pakistan doesnt put an end to LeT etc then India should get it declared a state sponsor of terrorism.

[vroomfondel]

US and some in India do not want humiliation of pakistan if it is unnecessary. this is what will allow the machismo types in the army to take over. waisay bhi there is serious insecurity towards india. notice that they will let US overfly their airspace and bomb their own ****ign people without saying anything. but if an indian so much as farts in their direction they are all up in arms. it is probably not in India's interests to humiliate, as much as we would like to.

[Mr. Wicket]

Are you sure the villagers were Pakistani? What colour wristbands, socks and underwear were they wearing?

[Desi Cartman]

Pak agrees to 48-hr deadline to act against LeT: Report Press Trust of India Saturday, December 06, 2008 10:57 PM (Washington) Pakistan has agreed to a 48-hour timetable set by India and the United States to formulate a plan to take action against Lashker-e-Toiba (LeT) and to arrest at least three Pakistanis who Indian authorities say are linked to the multiple attacks in Mumbai, a top US daily reported citing a top Pakistani official. The official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of diplomatic sensitivities, said India has also asked Pakistan to arrest and hand over LeT commander Zaki ur-Rehman Lakhwi and former chief of Pakistan's spy agency Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), Hamid Gul in connection with the probe into Mumbai carnage, which killed nearly 200 people, the Washington Post reported on Saturday. Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari, who has expressed his country's solidarity with India, is expected to review plans by his nation's top military and intelligence officials and follow through on India's demands, the official said. "The next 48 hours are critical," the official was quoted as saying by the influential US daily. A week after the terrorist assault in Mumbai, Indian officials have stepped up their efforts to make a clear case of link between the carnage and Pakistani elements. According to the Post, a high-level source in the Indian government, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said India has "clear and incontrovertible proof" that LeT an carries out the attacks and that the group's leaders were trained and supported by Pakistan's ISI. "We have the names of the handlers. And we know that there is a close relationship between the Lashkar and the ISI," the source said. Indian and US investigators have identified Yusuf Muzammil, a Let leader, as the mastermind behind the attacks, and US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has asked Pakistan to hand him and other suspects over, the report said.

link do u think that pak will hand over these guys ... I dont think so :hmmmm2:

[Sachinism]

those are rss members in that town they must have took it over without anyone knowing

[seedhi]

The Guardian is also carrying the story. Revealed: home of Mumbai's gunman in Pakistan village Since the terrorist attacks in Mumbai 10 days ago, speculation has been rife about the birthplace of the lone surviving gunman, Ajmal Amir Kasab. India and Pakistan have clashed over reports that he came from the Punjab. Saeed Shah, after spending days travelling throughout the region, tracked down the killer's home - and his grandfather - and found conclusive proof of his identity The little house was certainly that of a poor family, with a courtyard to one side and a small cart propped up in one corner. The old man and middle-aged woman who answered the door were not the owners. No, they insisted, the owners were away. 'They've gone to a wedding,' said the old man, identifying himself as Sultan. He was, he said, Amir's father-in-law. So, that would make him Ajmal's grandfather? At last, it seemed, this was the right place. It had taken days to get to Faridkot, a small, dirt-poor village in Pakistan's Punjab province. More than a week after the arrest of the only Lashkar-e-Taiba terrorist taken alive during the terror strike on Mumbai, so little was still known about him. His name, for instance. Was he Mohammed Amin Kasab, Azam Amir Kasav? Or was he Mohammed Ajmal Amir? The name Kasai in fact means he would hail from a butcher community - that would be his caste. But it was recorded as Kasav, then later Kasab. The discrepancies reportedly stemmed from the fact that the Mumbai police officers who first questioned him were Marathi speakers and unable to communicate with the south Punjab resident in anything other than Hindi patois. And where exactly was he from? Faridkot is what he told his interrogators, but this is a common village name. There were four candidates in the Punjab region. Days of trying to establish which was the right one had led to a Faridkot near the Indian border, outside a town called Depalpur. The nearest city was Okara. It seemed to fit. And it was at this Faridkot that Ajmal's father was believed to live. Initially villagers were unhelpful. No, said those approached, there was no one known here of that name. Even shown a photograph of Ajmal taken during the Mumbai siege, all swore they did not recognise him. The mayor was clear. 'There is a man who came to see me called Amir Kasab, who was worried,' said Ghulam Mustafa Wattoo. 'He told me that the Ajmal on the news was not his boy. That boy's gone away to work. There's no extremist network here.' Was this another dead end? As the villagers were questioned, the confusions appeared to multiply. Finally the name Mohammed Ajmal Amir, son of Mohammed Amir Iman, who ran a food stall, emerged. At other Faridkots, including one near the town of Khanewal, villagers had been friendly and helpful, proffering tea as they shook their heads. 'No. Not from here,' they said. For a while, it appeared that this Faridkot would also prove a wasted journey. The mayor said there had been no local police investigation, suggesting that the authorities did not view this place with suspicion. But, over time, inconsistencies in the villagers' accounts heightened suspicion that this was the place. 'He [Amir] has lived here for a few years,' said one villager, Mohammad Taj. 'He has three sons and three daughters.' Noor Ahmed, a local farmer, said: 'Amir had a stall he pushed around, sometimes here, sometimes elsewhere. He was a meek man, he wasn't particularly religious. He just made ends meet and didn't quarrel with anyone.' Still the picture was confusing. While sometimes confirming that Amir did live in the village, and had a son called Ajmal, on other occasions locals claimed to know nothing. Finally one villager confirmed what was going on: 'You're being given misinformation. We've all known from the first day [of the news of the terrorist attack] that it was him, Ajmal Amir Kasab. His mother started crying when she saw his picture on the television.' Attempts to meet Amir, the father, however, were not to be successful. Villagers eventually told us that he and his wife, Noor, had been mysteriously spirited away earlier in the week. 'Ajmal used to go to Lahore for work, as a labourer,' continued the villager who feared being named. 'He's been away for maybe four years. When he came back once a year, he would say things like, "We are going to free Kashmir."' Wresting the whole of Kashmir from Indian rule is Lashkar-e-Taiba's aim. Ajmal had little education, according to locals. But it is still unclear whether he was radicalised in the village or once he had left to work elsewhere. It is said that from the age of 13 he was shuttled between his parents' house and that of a brother in Lahore. If he did indeed speak fluent English, as claimed in Indian press reports, he would have had to have learnt that after he left the village. But the villager who turned whistleblower said that local religious clerics were brainwashing youths in the area and that Lashkar-e-Taiba's founder, Hafiz Sayeed, had visited nearby Depalpur, where there were 'hundreds' of supporters. There was a Lashkar-e-Taiba office in Depalpur, but that had been hurriedly closed in the past few days. The Lashkar-e-Taiba newspaper is distributed in Depalpur and Faridkot. Depalpur lies in the south of Punjab province, an economically backward area long known for producing jihadists. Shown a picture of Ajmal, the villager confirmed that he was the former Faridkot resident, who had last visited the village a couple of months ago at the last festival of Eid. Some locals have claimed that this Faridkot, and another poor village nearby called Tara Singh, are a recruitment hotbed for Lashkar-e-Taiba, the militant group accused of carrying out the Mumbai attack. On the side of a building, just outside Faridkot, is graffiti that says: 'Go for jihad. Go for jihad. Markaz Dawat ul-Irshad.' MDI is the parent organisation of Lashkar-e-Taiba. In Depalpur, a banner on the side of the main street asks people to devote goatskins to Jamaat ud Dawa, another MDI offshoot. Tara Singh is home to a radical madrasa - Islamic school - and there is another hardline seminary in nearby Depalpur. The nazim (mayor) of Tara Singh, Rao Zaeem Haider, said: 'There is a religious trend here. Some go for jihad, but not too many.' Some reports emerging in India suggest that Ajmal may have joined Lashkar -e-Taiba less because of his Islamist convictions but in the hope that the jihad training he would receive would help to further the life of crime upon which he had already embarked. But once inside Lashkar's base, his world-view began to change. Here, films on India's purported atrocities in Kashmir and heated lectures by fiery preachers led him to believe in Lashkar's cause. It has also been said that, when he was chosen for the Lashkar basic combat training, he performed so well that he was among a group of 32 men selected to undergo advanced training at a camp near Manshera, a course the organisation calls the Duara Khaas. And finally, it seems, he was among an even smaller group selected for specialised commando and navigation training given to the fedayeen unit selected to attack Mumbai. The authorities may now attempt to deny that Ajmal's parents live in Faridkot, but, according to some locals, they have been there for some 20 years. But by the end of our visit, a crucial piece of evidence had been gained. The Observer has managed to obtain an electoral roll for Faridkot, which falls under union council number 5, tehsil (area) Depalpur, district Okara. The list of 478 registered voters shows a 'Mohammed Amir', married to Noor Elahi, living in Faridkot. Amir's national identity card number is given as 3530121767339, and Noor's is 3530157035058. That appears to be the last piece of the jigsaw. A man called Amir and his wife, Noor, do live in Faridkot, official records show. They have a son called Ajmal. Following our last visit to Faridkot, the mayor, Wattoo, announced via the loudspeaker at the mosque that no one was to speak to any outsiders. By yesterday, Pakistani intelligence officials had descended in force on Faridkot. Locals, speaking by telephone, said a Pakistani TV crew and an American journalist had been roughed up and run out of town. It appeared that the backlash had begun. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/07/mumbai-terrorism-india-pakistan

[seedhi]

I am sure the pakistanis question their mothers about their parentage with the same rigor.. shameless morons

[Guest dada_rocks]

Quite simply the best site that is out therein discussing and analyzing political events ... :hatsoff: the shwetabhs and lurkers should try to peddle their unadulterated PC BS over there .... will be quite difficult to do without either moral support from powers that be or their favourite debating technique : throw some insults when in a pickle.

When in doubt I visit that site.. BTW pakistanis are latching on to the news that since sim card was procured by some indian muslim named mukhtar ahmed presumably an ex-terrorist repaitriated as police officer hene pakistan has nothgin to do wiht it.. Someone tell these morons no freaking boyd denied since day one that without some level fo local logistical support these ba$tard could not have pulled off evvents of this proportion.. Indian media rightly downplays the idenity of the local support lest it might trigger some comunal problme wihtin india.. So paki brothers no... sadly it still remains a pakistani show out and out... FBI is convinced and if news media is to be believed USA has put pakistan on 48 hours notice to act in the face of irrefutable evidence..

[seedhi]

BTW pakistanis are latching on to the news that since sim card was procured by some indian muslim named mukhtar ahmed presumably an ex-terrorist repaitriated as police officer hene pakistan has nothgin to do wiht it..

What? Even after all this evidence they are still denying?! :wall: By the way, it seems that there is some confusion. The JK policeman arrested was apparently an undercover agent trying to sneak into LeT. http://www.indianexpress.com/news/arrested-cop-was-deputed-to-sneak-into-lashkar/395197/

[Sachinism]

^^ Just attack them anyway, the people there are thick and will never accept all those facts

[King Tendulkar]

Well reports that the 10 gunmen were one of 500 trained like this in elite training from pakistan. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article5298993.ece Note ex ISI leading officer Khawaja sying that, while he did not approve of the Mumbai killings, “the Bombay attack should be seen as a good lesson to the world, to the Indians, the Americans, that if 10 committed people can do this, they’re igniting millions of youngsters, that they can do anything”. Sums up the militant attitude of pask army and intelligence service. No doubt they are fuuly involved in this

[Lurker]

US and some in India do not want humiliation of pakistan if it is unnecessary. this is what will allow the machismo types in the army to take over. waisay bhi there is serious insecurity towards india. notice that they will let US overfly their airspace and bomb their own ****ign people without saying anything. but if an indian so much as farts in their direction they are all up in arms. it is probably not in India's interests to humiliate, as much as we would like to.

That is indeed very correct. What India needs is a stable Pakistan with the ultra right Muslim brigade severely reigned in. The moment we humiliate Pakistan we essentially galvanize this exact same lot whose number is increasing by the day.

[Guest dada_rocks]

Humiliation tab hoga jhab ham marenge wo khud karen dand LET ko phir ka humiliation.. waise baat mein dam hai every day some pakistani is sent to gunatanmo for some extra cash without any due process when ti comes to india even clowns like dawood overnite become precious...... If tomorrow usa seeks dawood wihtin second he will packed to guantanamo.. Pakistan is basically mercenary nation does all this for some money and in turn they go around claiming their economy has turned a new page only dto declare bankrupcy every five year or so.. shamelessness ki had hoti ha.. You won't belive but mullah in pakistan talk onlines jab india katora leke nahin ghumata hai phir ham kyun ghum rahe hain.. mullah has a point koi respect naam ki chij nahin hai in logon ko west se bhikh mangane ki baat hot hai to everytime the same blackmail line they use.. help us out otherwise pakistan will become failed state and nuclear weapon will go to taliban

[Lurker]

everytime the same blackmail line they use.. help us out otherwise pakistan will become failed state and nuclear weapon will go to taliban

Lekin bhaiya usmein nayi baat kya hai? Isnt this what General Zia Ul Haq used to do? Give us money or we are going to get screwed royally by Russia and India? America did not send its Naval Force in Indian Ocean merely to do war-practise with Maldive Defence surely. Pakistani hukumraan learnt that they could sway USA by fear mongering.

[veer]

damn.. who deleted my line??

[Lurker]

damn.. who deleted my line??

Hahaha that must be a first!! Never saw Veer ka post bhi edit hoga. Kya likh diya bhai?? Sau baar kaha ke gaali mat likha karo :hysterical::hysterical:

[veer]

hahaha... i have never given gaalis in my life.. neither on MB nor in real.. (i so wanted to in past 2 weeks.. ) btw, who are the mods here??