THX_1138 Posted February 23, 2009 Posted February 23, 2009 Issue is who is going to bail the psec-pest lobby opf India who lied about Col Pandit.. Yes the pawn of that episoide Karkare is dead but his boss Sonia Maino and Sharad Pawar who were at the centre of that nonsense who is going to bail these criminals.. no body lied, they reported on the progress of the investigation which unfortunately pointed at col purohit first. keep in mind that this current allegation does not clear purohit any more than it finds this new character guilty. american intelligence has failed before. it would much rather see a pakistani involvement in this matter as the idea of a hindu terrorist is revolting if not contradictory to hindu philosophy.
THX_1138 Posted February 23, 2009 Posted February 23, 2009 Karkare was a good bloke and very fair too....sad that he died. yep! now hand over the mugs who were responsible for his death.
THX_1138 Posted February 23, 2009 Posted February 23, 2009 How did you coem to know Are you on hotline with allah:--D dont know about him, but you sure have a hotline with whoever you believe is up there... tone done the rhetoric mate, youre already a nuisance, in mortal danger of becoming a joke.
THX_1138 Posted February 24, 2009 Posted February 24, 2009 Hand over who exactly mate? the leaders of jamat ul dawa. in exchange we will hand over the RSS goons responsible for the gujrat masaccre and to make the deal more attractive, we will throw in bal thackeray, raj thackeray and Dada Rocks (though i think the last of the previous three might just take you all down with his bihari phatka).
hassan_113 Posted March 1, 2009 Posted March 1, 2009 Why would Pakistan want the guys responsible for Gujarat when it's in India? P.S. they'd rather L.K. Advani...I remember when Pak asked for him lol :P dada rocks...full of wind, nothing else. There's no substance behind his views.
seedhi Posted March 1, 2009 Author Posted March 1, 2009 P.S. they'd rather L.K. Advani...I remember when Pak asked for him lol :PThen you remember wrong, because LK Advani visited pakistan in 2005, and he wasnt arrested by anyone.
hassan_113 Posted March 1, 2009 Posted March 1, 2009 I know seedhi- the time they asked for him was a while before that...didn't he visit his Karachi home when he went back to Sindh? :D
seedhi Posted March 1, 2009 Author Posted March 1, 2009 I know seedhi- the time they asked for him was a while before that...didn't he visit his Karachi home when he went back to Sindh? :DHow does that change anything. If LK Advani is wanted in pakistan why did they not arrest him? Infact he is "supposed to be" wanted in a case involving a plot to assassinate MA Jinnah and yet in 2005 he was allowed to visit Jinnah's mausoleum. Why pakistanis want to make a mockery of themselves and their government by raising the LK Advani bogey is beyond me.
hassan_113 Posted March 2, 2009 Posted March 2, 2009 I think it was when India wanted somebody- might even have been Sheikh Rashid Ahmed, can't remember- so Pak fired back by asking for LK Advani :P
seedhi Posted March 2, 2009 Author Posted March 2, 2009 I think it was when India wanted somebody- might even have been Sheikh Rashid Ahmed' date=' can't remember- so Pak fired back by asking for LK Advani :P[/quote']Why dont you post a newspaper article showing whether any such formal demand was made by pakistan, and I dont mean some moron mouthing off about Advani. Otherwise you are just making a fool of yourself and your country, considering Advani visited pakistan in 2005.
hassan_113 Posted March 3, 2009 Posted March 3, 2009 Why dont you post a newspaper article showing whether any such formal demand was made by pakistan' date=' and I dont mean some moron mouthing off about Advani. Otherwise you are just making a fool of yourself and your country, considering Advani visited pakistan in 2005.[/quote'] Chill man!! Considering the number of :P symbols, don't you realise it's tongue in cheek. I'm on a break at hospital, haven't got time to search!
Holysmoke Posted March 4, 2009 Posted March 4, 2009 Chill man!! Considering the number of :P symbols, don't you realise it's tongue in cheek. I'm on a break at hospital, haven't got time to search! Then stop posting nonsense. If you want to chill, go to the jokes section. Dont post fabricated stuff without a source.
Holysmoke Posted March 6, 2009 Posted March 6, 2009 I'll try find it when I have the time :P Then dont post nonsense until you do.
hassan_113 Posted March 6, 2009 Posted March 6, 2009 It wasn't nonsense because Pakistan cheekily did ask for him!
Holysmoke Posted March 7, 2009 Posted March 7, 2009 It wasn't nonsense because Pakistan cheekily did ask for him! Prove it. Or STFU. PS - It is nonsense.
cochise Posted March 7, 2009 Posted March 7, 2009 Hassan...*edited as requested* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Bangladesh_atrocities
fineleg Posted March 7, 2009 Posted March 7, 2009 cochise, What kind of langauage is this man? Debate him, dont indulge in such vulgar attacks pls. The rule posted here - No profanity - so I hope u edit ur post. Not just for the "rule", but also to maintain the decency.
hassan_113 Posted March 9, 2009 Posted March 9, 2009 Indian Terrorist Number One: L. K. Advani AdvaniMr. L. K. Advani is wanted in Pakistan in a criminal case in FIR No. 4/1948 registered at a police station in the Pakistani city Hyderabad. Fifteen persons were arrested and tried and convicted by a special court. Exchange of prisoner was made under Transfer of Prisoners Act, 1949. Mr. Advani, a supposed commander of RSS, is listed as absconder. There were 38 accused persons listed in the charge sheet. In a tit-for-tat response to the Indian demand of handing over 20 'suspects', Pakistan has reportedly compiled a list of 35 persons wanted to Islamabad for their alleged involvement in various terrorism acts on Pakistani soil. Pakistan to demand India to hand over 35 wanted persons Islamabad has prepared a list of some 35 top terrorists, involved in a number of terror activities in Pakistan and is set to hand over the names to Delhi seeking an early arrest and handing over of the accused to Pakistan, the British daily The ‘Daily Mail’ reported on Wednesday. According to well-placed sources, the list has been prepared by the Pakistan Foreign Office and the Ministry of Interior, with the assistance of police and intelligence authorities, in the backdrop of the investigations of different incidents of terrorism and sabotage in different parts of the country. The list was actually prepared many weeks ago but was not given to India with the intentions of gearing up peace process. But, the sources said, now, after India failed to handle the situation sensibly and has instead started asking Pakistan to hand over 20 so called Pakistanis, who it says are involved in numerous terror activities in India. Pakistan has decided to come up with a matching response and has decided to ask India to hand over at least 35 leading terrorists, who were found to be directly or indirectly involved in a number of terrorist activities in Pakistan. It is learnt that Islamabad is also sending a copy of this list to Washington to bring it to the notice of US authorities and to clarify the actual state of affairs in the backdrop of the Indian allegations in this regard while it is also under consideration to release a detailed report in this direction for the consumption of anti-terror war allies. According to the sources, list has been prepared after going through the reports of provincial CID departments; police records and intelligence reports and out comes of the investigations and interrogations, carried out by Police and Intelligence agencies. These reports suggest the persons nominated in the list of most wanted Indian are constantly engaged in different forms of terrorism against Pakistan and Pakistani nationals and unless these are handed over to Pakistan for trial in Pakistani courts. South Asian peace cannot be ensured. Indians accused of direct or indirect involvement in terrorist activities against Pakistan, in said list are, (1) Ajay Verma, a Karnatika resident and directly involved in bomb blast at Sialkot in which 7 people were killed, (2) Manoj Shastri alias Javed Khan, resident of Mumbai, wanted for killing of 14 Namazees at a Karachi Mosque, (3) Raju Mukherjee, resident of Calcutta, wanted for bomb blast in Lahore in which 9 people were killed, (4) Mr. Bal Thackeray, resident of Bombay, Chief of Shiv Sena, wanted for organizing at least three major massacres in Pakistan in which some 33 people were killed and a highly active in organizing ethnic and sectarian clashes in different parts of Pakistan, (5) Vivek Khattri alias Kaala Pathaan, resident of Maharashtra, wanted for at least four bomb blasts in which over seventeen people were killed, (6) Ashok Vidyarthi alias Aslam resident of Ajmair Sharif, wanted for sniper shooting at an Imam baargah in Karachi, killing some 14 Shias, (7) Rajan Nikhalje alias Chhota Rajan, wanted for a number of terrorist attacks in different cities of Pakistan including a bomb blast in Sabzi Mandi Islamabad and a bomb blast in Quetta. Chhota Rajan is now launching terrorist operations in Pakistan from Indian Missions in Kandahar and Jalalabad (Afghanistan) and is head of RAW’s organized Crimes Wing or Special Operations Division (SOD), he is also wanted for killing of Chinese Engineers in Baluchistan and organizing the murder of some Chinese workers near Peshawar (8) Asotosh Srivastava alias Maulvi Nazir alias Mulla, resident of Alahabad, wanted for firing on an imambargah in which 9 people were killed, (9) Ashok Dube alias Shah Jee, resident of Gandhi Nagar (New Delhi), wanted for killing some 11 Namazees in a Lahore Mosque, (10) Sanjive Joshi, resident of Bombay, wanted for comprehensive assistance in terror attack on a Christian Mission School near Murree, (11) Ramparkash alias Ranu alias Ali, resident of Hyderabad Daccan, wanted for terror attack on a Christian Hospital in Taxila (he is also identified as a graduate of Hindutva Brotherhood’s terror training camp, located near Sarojini Nagar), (12) Ramesh Verma, resident of Pune, wanted for terror attack in Sheikhupura, killing 7 innocent citizens (13) Bihari Mishra, wanted for organizing a number of terror attacks in Pakistan through his terrorists of Hindutva Brotherhood’s terrorist school, (14) Manoj Kulkarni, resident of Colkata, wanted for terror attack in Attok , killing 17, (15) Venkatash Raghwan, resident of Mahablaishwar, wanted for terror attacks in Rawalpindi, killing some 9 people, (16) Ajit Sahay, a former RAW Deputy Director, now attached with Chotta Rajan, wanted for organizing attack in Hyderabad (Sindh), (17) Ashok Vohra alias Nepali, wanted for printing fake Pakistani currency and spreading it worldwide, particularly in Nepal, UAE and UK and also organizing a terror attack in Gujranwala in which 8 people were killed, (18) Vijay Kapali alias Guru, resident of Maharashtra, wanted for terror attack on an AJK village, killing 13 of a family. He is also working for RAW’s cross border operations wing, (19) Vivek Santoshi, resident of Calcutta, wanted for organizing terror attack on some US citizens and killing them in Karachi, (20) Mohandas Sharma, resident of Patna, wanted for planning and executing terror attacks on foreign nationals in Pakistan at least on three occasions, (21) Ramgopal Soorati, resident of Soorat, wanted for terror attack in Jhelum, killing 9 through a bus blast on the highway, (22) Rakesh alias Kalia, resident of Bombay, wanted for terror attack in Kasur, (23) Parkash Santoshi, resident of Lucknow, wanted for terror attack on a religious gathering in Lahore, (24) Aman Verma alias Pappoo alias Gulloo, resident of Aagra, wanted for terror attack in Peshawar in which 11 people were killed, (25 Mohinder Parkash alias Yasin Khan alias Riaz Chitta, resident of Lucknow, wanted for organizing terror attacks in different parts of Sindh, (26) Ashish Jaithlee alias Shaikh alias Osama, resident of Bombay downtown, wanted for providing explosives to the terrorists who killed French engineers in Karachi and also to those who carried out Marriot bombing, these explosives were provided through Pak-Afghan border (27) Manohar Laal alias Peer Jee alias Ubu Khalid, resident of Gohaati, wanted for providing explosive devices for attack on Foreign Mission building in Karachi, (28) Ramnarayan alias Mufti, resident of New Delhi, wanted for providing huge consignments Of automatic weapons to activists of banned Lashkar-e-Jhangvi and banned Lashkar-e-Tayyaba (29) Arun Shetty, resident of Bombay and wanted for bulk infiltration of explosives, arms and ammunition into Pakistan, (30) Nikhanj Laal, resident of Hurryana, wanted for terror attack in border city of Narowaal, killing seven people, (31) Sunil Verma alias Httyara, resident of Maharashtra, wanted for organizing terror attack on Daily the Nation’s office n Karachi, (32) Ashish Chowan, resident of New Delhi, wanted for supply of arms and assisting latest terror attacks in Quetta. Ashish is presently reported to be present in Indian Consulate of Kandahaar (Afghanistan), (33) Babloo Srivastva of Chhota Rajan gang for providing highly sophisticated weapons to a sectarian outfit in Pakistan and assisting in missile attacks on UN offices in Islamabad in year 2000, (34) Suresh, alias Aamir alias Akbar Khan wanted for providing weapons and explosives to militants in Wana and North Waziristan through Afghanistan and (35) Abu Bakkar, wanted for a number of terror attack in different parts of the country and now living in India with a new identification under the blessings of Indian spy agency RAW. Surprisingly, name of former Indian Deputy Prime Minister L. K. Advani is not included in this list, though Advani is also wanted by Karachi Police for years and Pakistan has been asking India for his extradition to Islamabad. Pakistan in a twist in war of lists By Sudha Ramachandran BANGALORE - While military tension along the India-Pakistan border has eased somewhat, the volume of hostile rhetoric emanating from New Delhi and Islamabad remains high. The ongoing verbal exchange between the two countries over what is described by some as the "war of lists" is taking increasingly bizarre turns. The war of lists began soon after the December 13 attack on India's parliament, when New Delhi drew up a list of 20 people who are wanted here for criminal and terrorist acts. India alleged that they are currently based in Pakistan and demanded that they be handed over. The 20 include underworld dons involved in the 1993 serial bombings in Mumbai, those who hijacked Indian Airlines flight IC 814 in 1999, and Sikh and Kashmiri terrorists. In the mid and late 1980s, at least four letters were sent to Pakistan with regard to the Sikh separatists. Soon after the Mumbai serial bombings, India presented Pakistan with a list of six people suspected of having masterminded the attacks. That list included the underworld kingpin Dawood Ibrahim, who operates out of Karachi. At least nine letters were issued between March 1993 and August 1994. And after the IC 814 hijack, India sent three letters to Islamabad, demanding the handover of Jaish-e-Mohammed chief Mohammed Azhar among others. Jaish is among the groups that were banned recently in Pakistan. Pakistan has reacted by claiming that India has not furnished any proof supporting its allegations and that none of the listed people live on its territory. There have been several reports, including in the Pakistani media, detailing the whereabouts of these wanted men. Indian officials say the very fact that those on the list have Interpol "red corner" notices against them is proof. (Interpol issues a "red corner" warrant only after it is satisfied with the evidence submitted by a requesting country.) That in itself constitutes solid prima facie evidence, they point out. However, India is said to have provided evidence of telephonic intercepts of relevant conversations between the accused and their contacts, and details of their operations with addresses and telephone numbers in Pakistan as well as the United States. That Pakistan is unlikely to concede to India's demand regarding the latest list was clear from the start and confirmed when President Pervez Musharraf said on January 12 that he would not hand over any Pakistani citizens who figure in the list. Standing on shaky ground on the issue, Pakistan, it seems, decided to adopt diversionary tactics and to perhaps put India on the defensive. Foreign Minister Abdul Sattar declared that his country too had its own list of wanted persons. The Indian response was swift. External Affairs Minister Jaswant Singh said that if the Pakistani list were delivered, the Indian government would "work double time to send them [those in the list] promptly back to Pakistan". The fact was that Pakistan did not have a list of fugitives on hand. When questioned by the media, Aziz Khan, an additional secretary at the Pakistani Foreign Office admitted: "There are no details as yet of the list. This will take time as we have to collect facts and information." Sattar's statement regarding "a list that never was" has come in for criticism, for Pakistan now has to draw up a credible list. As retired general Talat Masood, a former defense secretary pointed out: "It is extremely important that this list is sent to New Delhi or else it would appear India has called our bluff." Cornered, the Pakistani government has been trying to wriggle out by calling for talks on all issues, including the lists. "We cannot discuss through the media several issues related to local legislation, legal matters and the issue of existence or non-existence of an extradition treaty," Khan said. But even as Islamabad is scurrying to cobble together a list of fugitives based in India, the "war of lists" has taken a new turn. Defending their right not to hand over those listed as wanted by India, sections in Pakistan asked whether India would hand over people like Bal Thackeray, the chief of Shiv Sena, a right-wing party that has engaged in anti-Muslim violence in India. "If we provide the name of Bal Thackeray and want him extradited for the 1992-93 communal riots in Mumbai, would India oblige us?" Pakistan's Railway Minister Javed Ashraf wanted to know. To which Chhagan Bhujbal, Deputy Chief Minister of the western Indian state of Maharashtra retorted: "Thackeray may be a pain to us but he doesn't go to Pakistan or incite violence in that country. Not so with regard to the terrorists we are seeking. So, Ashraf had better shut up." Then came a report in a Pakistani daily, The News, which said that Pakistan's supposed list of wanted terrorists based in India includes the name of Indias Home Minister L K Advani. Advani, it is said, is wanted for his alleged participation in the planning of a 1947 conspiracy to assassinate the founder of Pakistan, Mohammed Ali Jinnah, prime minister Liaquat Ali Khan, and several top leaders of the Pakistan movement. It appears that a criminal case was registered against Advani and 40 others. According to the report, in the ensuing trial by special tribunal on September 17, 1948, 15 persons were convicted, four others acquitted, while the remaining accused including Advani were placed in a "dormant file". The Indian External Affairs Ministry has dismissed the report as "juvenile" and said Pakistan was yet to make available the list of people it wanted India to act upon. Many Indians believe that the move to include Advani in the wanted list, if it is indeed true, is an attempt by Pakistan to divert attention from the issue that India is focused on: Pakistan's provision of sanctuary to terrorists and criminals, notwithstanding its stated claim to have distanced itself from terrorism. An official of the Indian Ministry of External Affairs says that Pakistan had condemned the Mumbai serial bombings as well as the hijack of IC 814. The Sikh separatist movement is long dead. "Even if they do not hand over the Kashmir terrorists, why not the rest?" he asks. "The Pakistani reluctance to hand over people like underworld dons Dawood Ibrahim, Tiger Memon and Chhota Shakeel is because they are useful to the ISI [inter-Services Intelligence agency] in innumerable ways," says an official of the Indian intelligence agency, Research and Analysis Wing (RAW). Says Murali Krishnan in the Indian news magazine Outlook: "Considering the close business ties Dawood enjoys with the [Pakistani] establishment, it's not surprising that ISI provides him protection." A retired Indian diplomat remarks: "With regard to the Kashmiri and Sikh terrorists, Pakistan is reluctant to hand them over to India because that would signal to the terrorist groups Islamabad's unreliability as their patron." Writing in Outlook, Ranjit Bhushan points out that: "Incredible as it may seem, there are two clear treaties that could help, should the intent be there. Apart from the SAARC [south Asian Association for Regional Cooperation] charter, which makes it obligatory for members to cooperate in nabbing fugitives, there is a 1989 treaty between India's Central Bureau of Investigation and Pakistan's Federal Investigative Agency for handing over accused from either country on request. That Pakistan has declined to honor these basic accords shows how much the countries have moved away from each other in recent years." The Musharraf government has been claiming that it has cracked down on terrorism - a claim that India has rejected, saying that it wants to see change on the ground. It wants to see Pakistan put a halt to cross-border infiltration. The real impact of that will take several months to become visible, for infiltration across the Line of Control in Kashmir has always been low during winter months. It is here that the handing over of the 20 wanted terrorists assumes significance. It is more easily done than stopping infiltration, and it can be done immediately. That Pakistan is loath to comply do so is revealing. Pakistan's reluctance to hand over people, even those with internationally acknowledged criminal records, is, to India, clear evidence that Islamabad has no intention of renouncing terrorism as an instrument of state policy vis-a-vis India. So....cochise et al- I am very happy with your response as I have remained calm and cool during this whole thread and you have painted yourself in a not-so-glorious light. The highlighted text shows that it is India's word against Pakistan's- you believe one thing and I believe that they handed over a document asking for him. A cheeky thread has brought out this response from me and to be honest, you should have expected it by treating me like a piece of your stools since I started friendly political chat. You need to realise....that using a source about Bangladesh is a ridiculous low-blow...because I chatted about it to my father years back and we agreed that the treatment of the Bengalis was inhumane and all of our own doing. Wikipedia (a source that can be edited by anybody- for those who do not know) does not require any reading by me because I know about our mistakes. There lies the difference between many people and myself- I am patriotic but not blindly patriotic whereby I see everything done by Pakistan with rose-tinted glasses. I am a fan of India and its people and its cricketers and Bollywood and most things....and I am happy that I am flexible to do that. Hassan- fan of India, proud Pakistani
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