Hindu families from Pak seek refuge in India

[theguyinallblue]

AMRITSAR: Stating that they do not wish to return to Pakistan due to Taliban's tyranny in the tribal areas, a group 35 Hindus, nearly half of them women, from the neighbouring country have crossed over to India and asked the government to allow them to settle in the country. "We were living in Pakistan under extreme fear due to the domination of a strong group of Taliban who are running a parallel government," Jagdish Sharma, a resident of tribal area near Peshawar in Pakistan, said. Recounting their ordeal, he said "Hindus and Sikh families are not safe, especially our women. We preferred to migrate in India, at least here in India we know that our families will be safe." The four families comprising 16 men, 16 women and three children crossed over to India during the last few days through the Attari check post and later went to Delhi where they got a one-year visa and permission to stay in Amritsar. "We strongly urge the Government of India to allow us to stay here in India permanently, since we don't want to move back in that hell where there is no life security," said Sharma. Hardwari Lal, resident of Orkzai nearly 180 km from Peshawar, said, "I was running my grocery shop there which was forcibly taken over by the fundamentalists who also took possession of our entire property". http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Hindus-from-Pak-seek-refuge-in-India/articleshow/4239397.cms and *****s cry about the Human Rghts of Minorities in India...

[graphic23]

India is NOT Pakistan. We don't go and fight someone else's war for them (OMG, look at how Indians are treating Muslims.).

[EnterTheVoid]

If the oppressive conditions under the Taliban continue, than it may come to a point where people may consider fleeing ...... Oh god, don't tell me they'll start migrating to India in their droves. Our government has enough on its plate dealing with internal issues. This is not our :mad: goddamn :mad: problem. We didn't ask for this :mad: :mad:

[THX_1138]

I cant believe some of you folks! they are seeking refuge, and all you have to offer to them are insults!!!

[Holysmoke]

I cant believe some of you folks! they are seeking refuge, and all you have to offer to them are insults!!!

They are Pakis.

[donkey]

They are Pakis.

Not by choice though...plus their leaders are too concerned about treatment of muslims in India and Palestine to worry about their own minorities.

[graphic23]

I cant believe some of you folks! they are seeking refuge, and all you have to offer to them are insults!!!

I am not insulting anyone here. I'm saying that if the Indian govt. takes any action or makes any comment about Hindus living in Pakistan (through their own choice), it will not separate us from them just like when they keep harping on about Muslims living in India.

[umpire]

but they are not living in Paksitan any more, they want refuge

[THX_1138]

I am not insulting anyone here. I'm saying that if the Indian govt. takes any action or makes any comment about Hindus living in Pakistan (through their own choice)' date= it will not separate us from them just like when they keep harping on about Muslims living in India.

that is not what i am saying. i said, that these people are requesting refuge. that must be granted on humanitarian grounds. beyond that, would be improper diplomacy.

[suraj]

can someone throw any light on the history of Hindus in Pakistan? Why some decided to stay there, what was the reasoning behind not converting if they stayed there, how have they fared over the years etc??

[siddhu]

can someone throw any light on the history of Hindus in Pakistan? Why some decided to stay there, what was the reasoning behind not converting if they stayed there, how have they fared over the years etc??

Nobody knows for sure... But if we are to believe who left while they could, "it was probably worse than the worst that they would have thought." I read an article somewhere about a village near Nagpur, half of the village was filled with ex-paki's. Most where hindus and only some were Muslims. They took advantage of the visa's given to them by Indian government for cricket matches, came here and never went back and filed for Indian citizenship.

[Kohum]

can someone throw any light on the history of Hindus in Pakistan? Why some decided to stay there, what was the reasoning behind not converting if they stayed there, how have they fared over the years etc??

Not much reliable information is available about hindus in Pakistan, other than the numbers published by Pak GOVT. today. These numbers show that hindus are about 1.8%. It's also believed that this number has reduced from about 10%, due to forced conversion to Islam. On wikipedia you may find more links to explore further. I plan on doing so myself.

[umpire]

Actually let me give you info on Pak Hindus. My sister got married to pakistani few years back when he was living in India. His entire family had left pakistani as they were threatend by dakus big time so they left everything. They tried everything here but got back couple of years back as in India they thought, business was tough. My sister hates that place as she grew up here in India where there was no problem for her to roam around past 9 PM. My parents visited Pakistan recently and I learnt from him. Most of our relatives are doin well in pakistan, they are crorepatis and hire lot of muslims as drivers, servants, but they have to have muslim partner in the business. And you never know they may lose everything. They were safer during Mushraff regime. there have been instance were Hindu Girl was forced to convert and marry Muslim. There have been many kidnap cases. All and all they have money but "No Security" They have big houses but "No Peace of Mind". There was question why did Hindus decided to stay in Pakistan. Its never easy to move your entire family to new place with no money and no business. My Grandfather used to tell me horror story about how they crossed the border and how they reached here, how they lived in refugee camps. He left everything his land, his house, his cattles etc. Credit to him for doing that, its not easy. He came here, started all over again and managed to live respectful life. See its not easy to move.

[Nash]

They were Indian for thousands of years and they are paki for 60 years. Even ISI is sending terrirists from the border so i dont think that imgration gonna hurt india any how. So let them come only HINDUS. For Paki muslims, they have chosen the taliban and military rules as a majority. So let them leave with their chosen hell.

[THX_1138]

They were Indian for thousands of years and they are paki for 60 years. Even ISI is sending terrirists from the border so i dont think that imgration gonna hurt india any how. So let them come only HINDUS. For Paki muslims, they have chosen the taliban and military rules as a majority. So let them leave with their chosen hell.

except danish kaneria... he is too much in the pakistani team. nevertheless, you cannot be selective about offering refuge. humanitarian refuge must be offered to anyone who seeks it. if there are criminals who seek refuge, they ought to be granted, though they need to be extradited if the country requesting their extradition has a particular arrangement with our country. let me ask you this, quite simply if tomorrow a radical cleric from pakistan, who is of the hindu persuasion requests refuge, you would be willing to grant him the same, but not to an oppressed shia muslim?

[Nash]

except danish kaneria... he is too much in the pakistani team. nevertheless, you cannot be selective about offering refuge. humanitarian refuge must be offered to anyone who seeks it. if there are criminals who seek refuge, they ought to be granted, though they need to be extradited if the country requesting their extradition has a particular arrangement with our country. let me ask you this, quite simply if tomorrow a radical cleric from pakistan, who is of the hindu persuasion requests refuge, you would be willing to grant him the same, but not to an oppressed shia muslim?

shia muslims like dalits of pakistan. And I know what is opression very well as far i am belonging to dalit community. India is on the verge of another civil war particularly that bangladesi muslims makes thing worst. I seriously oppose to offer help to pakistani ppl and non indian muslim community. They have selected to be there and now this is not our problem. They have choice to be in india or pakistan. And not we should just say **** of to them. As genoside of hindues in pak and bangladesh happened in past, We should give All hindus who wants to be in india from any country should be given citizenship. Like Isarael did in past.

[suraj]

Actually let me give you info on Pak Hindus. My sister got married to pakistani few years back when he was living in India. His entire family had left pakistani as they were threatend by dakus big time so they left everything. They tried everything here but got back couple of years back as in India they thought, business was tough. My sister hates that place as she grew up here in India where there was no problem for her to roam around past 9 PM. My parents visited Pakistan recently and I learnt from him. Most of our relatives are doin well in pakistan, they are crorepatis and hire lot of muslims as drivers, servants, but they have to have muslim partner in the business. And you never know they may lose everything. They were safer during Mushraff regime. there have been instance were Hindu Girl was forced to convert and marry Muslim. There have been many kidnap cases. All and all they have money but "No Security" They have big houses but "No Peace of Mind". There was question why did Hindus decided to stay in Pakistan. Its never easy to move your entire family to new place with no money and no business. My Grandfather used to tell me horror story about how they crossed the border and how they reached here, how they lived in refugee camps. He left everything his land, his house, his cattles etc. Credit to him for doing that, its not easy. He came here, started all over again and managed to live respectful life. See its not easy to move.

I am surprised- don't get offended but why wud your sister growing up in India married someone from Pakistan mpre importantly why did she agree to move to Pakistan after marriage even Pakistanis don't want to live in Pakistan & only proclaim Pakistan's "greateness" in internet forums from US and UK so I am really shocked that a person growing up in India agreed to move to Pakistan

[EnterTheVoid]

I am surprised- don't get offended but why wud your sister growing up in India married someone from Pakistan mpre importantly why did she agree to move to Pakistan after marriage even Pakistanis don't want to live in Pakistan & only proclaim Pakistan's "greateness" in internet forums from US and UK so I am really shocked that a person growing up in India agreed to move to Pakistan

Excerpts of an article written by "Veer Sanghvai" in the "Hindustan Times" ************************************************************************************** This was brought home to me most clearly by two major events over the last few weeks. The first of these was the attack on the Sri Lankan cricket team on the streets of Lahore. In their defence, Pakistanis said that they were powerless to act against the terrorists because religious fanaticism was growing. Each day more misguided youngsters joined jihadi outfits and the law and order situation worsened. Further, they added, things had got so bad that in the tribal areas the government of Pakistan had agreed to suspend the rule of law under pressure from the Taliban and had conceded that sharia law would reign instead. Interestingly, while most civilised liberals should have been appalled by this surrender to the forces of extremism, many Pakistanis defended this concession. The second contrasting event was one that took place in Los Angeles but which was perhaps celebrated more in India than in any other country in the world. Three Indians won Oscars: A.R. Rahman, Resul Pookutty and Gulzar. Their victory set off a frenzy of rejoicing. We were proud of our countrymen. We were pleased that India?s entertainment industry and its veterans had been recognised at an international platform. And all three men became even bigger heroes than they already were. But here?s the thing: Not one of them is a Hindu. Can you imagine such a thing happening in Pakistan? Can you even conceive of a situation where the whole country would celebrate the victory of three members of two religious minorities? For that matter, can you even imagine a situation where people from religious minorities would have got to the top of their fields and were, therefore, in the running for international awards? On the one hand, you have Pakistan imposing sharia law, doing deals with the Taliban, teaching hatred in madrasas, declaring jihad on the world and trying to kill innocent Sri Lankan cricketers. On the other, you have the triumph of Indian secularism. We are defined by our nationality. They choose to define themselves by their religion. But it gets even more complicated. As you probably know, Rahman was born Dilip Kumar. He converted to Islam when he was 21. His religious preferences made no difference to his prospects. Even now, his music cuts across all religious boundaries. He?s as much at home with Sufi music as he is with bhajans. Nor does he have any problem with saying ?Vande Mataram?. Now, think of a similar situation in Pakistan. Can you conceive of a Pakistani composer who converted to Hinduism at the age of 21 and still went on to become a national hero? Under sharia law, they?d probably have to execute him. But here?s the point: even when you point out to people that Pookutty is in fact a Muslim, they don?t really care. It makes no difference to them. He?s an authentic Indian hero, his religion is irrelevant. Can you imagine Pakistan being indifferent to a man?s religion? Can you believe that Pakistanis would not know that one of their Oscar winners came from a religious minority? And would any Pakistani have dared bridge the religious divide in the manner Resul did by referring to the primeval power of Om in his acceptance speech? Most interesting of all is the case of Gulzar who many Indians believe is a Muslim. He is not. He is a Sikh. And his real name is Sampooran Singh Kalra. So why does he have a Muslim name? It?s a good story and he told it on my TV show some years ago. He was born in West Pakistan and came over the border during the bloody days of Partition. He had seen so much hatred and religious violence on both sides, he said, that he was determined never to lose himself to that kind of blind religious prejudice and fanaticism. Rather than blame Muslims for the violence inflicted on his community ? after all, Hindus and Sikhs behaved with equal ferocity ? he adopted a Muslim pen name to remind himself that his identity was beyond religion. He still writes in Urdu and considers it irrelevant whether a person is a Sikh, a Muslim or a Hindu. Let?s forget about political correctness and come clean: can you see such a thing happening in Pakistan? Can you actually conceive of a famous Pakistani Muslim who adopts a Hindu or Sikh name out of choice to demonstrate the irrelevance of religion? What all those misguided liberals who keep blathering on about us being the same people forget is that in the 60-odd years since Independence, our two nations have traversed very different paths. Pakistan was founded on the basis of Islam. It still defines itself in terms of Islam. And over the next decade as it destroys itself, it will be because of Islamic extremism. India was founded on the basis that religion had no role in determining citizenship or nationhood. An Indian can belong to any religion in the world and face no discrimination in his rights as a citizen. It is nobody?s case that India is a perfect society or that Muslims face no discrimination. But only a fool would deny that in the last six decades, we have travelled a long way towards religious equality. In the early days of independent India, a Yusuf Khan had to call himself Dilip Kumar for fear of attracting religious prejudice. In today?s India, a Dilip Kumar can change his name to A.R. Rahman and nobody really gives a damn either way. ************************************************************************************* http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryP...3-e927ad151c76 :congrats: Comments: Absolutely brilliant. His article took my breath away :congrats:

[suraj]

Excerpts of an article written by "Veer Sanghvai" in the "Hindustan Times" ************************************************************************************** This was brought home to me most clearly by two major events over the last few weeks. The first of these was the attack on the Sri Lankan cricket team on the streets of Lahore. In their defence, Pakistanis said that they were powerless to act against the terrorists because religious fanaticism was growing. Each day more misguided youngsters joined jihadi outfits and the law and order situation worsened. Further, they added, things had got so bad that in the tribal areas the government of Pakistan had agreed to suspend the rule of law under pressure from the Taliban and had conceded that sharia law would reign instead. Interestingly, while most civilised liberals should have been appalled by this surrender to the forces of extremism, many Pakistanis defended this concession. The second contrasting event was one that took place in Los Angeles but which was perhaps celebrated more in India than in any other country in the world. Three Indians won Oscars: A.R. Rahman, Resul Pookutty and Gulzar. Their victory set off a frenzy of rejoicing. We were proud of our countrymen. We were pleased that India?s entertainment industry and its veterans had been recognised at an international platform. And all three men became even bigger heroes than they already were. But here?s the thing: Not one of them is a Hindu. Can you imagine such a thing happening in Pakistan? Can you even conceive of a situation where the whole country would celebrate the victory of three members of two religious minorities? For that matter, can you even imagine a situation where people from religious minorities would have got to the top of their fields and were, therefore, in the running for international awards? On the one hand, you have Pakistan imposing sharia law, doing deals with the Taliban, teaching hatred in madrasas, declaring jihad on the world and trying to kill innocent Sri Lankan cricketers. On the other, you have the triumph of Indian secularism. We are defined by our nationality. They choose to define themselves by their religion. But it gets even more complicated. As you probably know, Rahman was born Dilip Kumar. He converted to Islam when he was 21. His religious preferences made no difference to his prospects. Even now, his music cuts across all religious boundaries. He?s as much at home with Sufi music as he is with bhajans. Nor does he have any problem with saying ?Vande Mataram?. Now, think of a similar situation in Pakistan. Can you conceive of a Pakistani composer who converted to Hinduism at the age of 21 and still went on to become a national hero? Under sharia law, they?d probably have to execute him. But here?s the point: even when you point out to people that Pookutty is in fact a Muslim, they don?t really care. It makes no difference to them. He?s an authentic Indian hero, his religion is irrelevant. Can you imagine Pakistan being indifferent to a man?s religion? Can you believe that Pakistanis would not know that one of their Oscar winners came from a religious minority? And would any Pakistani have dared bridge the religious divide in the manner Resul did by referring to the primeval power of Om in his acceptance speech? Most interesting of all is the case of Gulzar who many Indians believe is a Muslim. He is not. He is a Sikh. And his real name is Sampooran Singh Kalra. So why does he have a Muslim name? It?s a good story and he told it on my TV show some years ago. He was born in West Pakistan and came over the border during the bloody days of Partition. He had seen so much hatred and religious violence on both sides, he said, that he was determined never to lose himself to that kind of blind religious prejudice and fanaticism. Rather than blame Muslims for the violence inflicted on his community ? after all, Hindus and Sikhs behaved with equal ferocity ? he adopted a Muslim pen name to remind himself that his identity was beyond religion. He still writes in Urdu and considers it irrelevant whether a person is a Sikh, a Muslim or a Hindu. Let?s forget about political correctness and come clean: can you see such a thing happening in Pakistan? Can you actually conceive of a famous Pakistani Muslim who adopts a Hindu or Sikh name out of choice to demonstrate the irrelevance of religion? What all those misguided liberals who keep blathering on about us being the same people forget is that in the 60-odd years since Independence, our two nations have traversed very different paths. Pakistan was founded on the basis of Islam. It still defines itself in terms of Islam. And over the next decade as it destroys itself, it will be because of Islamic extremism. India was founded on the basis that religion had no role in determining citizenship or nationhood. An Indian can belong to any religion in the world and face no discrimination in his rights as a citizen. It is nobody?s case that India is a perfect society or that Muslims face no discrimination. But only a fool would deny that in the last six decades, we have travelled a long way towards religious equality. In the early days of independent India, a Yusuf Khan had to call himself Dilip Kumar for fear of attracting religious prejudice. In today?s India, a Dilip Kumar can change his name to A.R. Rahman and nobody really gives a damn either way. ************************************************************************************* http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryP...3-e927ad151c76 :congrats: Comments: Absolutely brilliant. His article took my breath away :congrats:

Thanks for sharing sree really cool. Yousuf khan to Dilip kumar & Dilip Kumar to AR Rehman piece is awesome:two_thumbs_up:

[THX_1138]

Excerpts of an article written by "Veer Sanghvai" in the "Hindustan Times" ************************************************************************************** ************************************************************************************* http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryP...3-e927ad151c76 :congrats: Comments: Absolutely brilliant. His article took my breath away :congrats:

I think mr. sanghvai needs to broaden his spectrum. while the events he described are not possible in the islamic states of pakistan (or even the perceived progressive islamic states such as malaysia and uae), he casually ignores that religious minorities enjoy much more personal freedom everywhere else in the world. for instance, a number of jewish physicists have won nobel prizes while residing in countries where they are a religious minority. i have never felt an ounce of prejudice from any of my professors who are all either caucassian or east asian. yet i dont feel any particular need to celebrate this equality since it is so bloody obvious! equality is not a luxury afforded by a nation to its people, its a bloody inherent right! and yeah, while we are considerably better than pakistan, lets out kid ourselves. for every rahman and gulzar, there are million of oppressed dalits, muslims and even straight up hindus who suffer oppression and marginalization.