punjabi_khota Posted April 16, 2009 Posted April 16, 2009 Well I put in a sarky comment due to the sheer number I got in the political section. Kumble_rocks makes a good comment- don't abuse me personally. I make good, strong points. Whether you agree or not is not the point. I don't have anything against you personally- any of you. This is a forum for debate (this section) and discussion. I have made some good mates it seems. Calling me a ter....ist is really unfair. I don't believe in violence, I like the country and that includes the part of Kashmir India holds. I love the people too- as everybody knows. Your excuse is weaker than the "eyedrop" excuse of your phassssst bowler Mohammad Asif. I just think you are full of yourself, which is not necessarily a bad thing. I don't have anything against you personally either, and I will admit you made good points in the beginning, but lately you came down to the level of the other posters from the pakland, which is a pity.
jaskaran Posted April 16, 2009 Posted April 16, 2009 You are again ill informed It's not his fault. Once a paki,always a paki.:finger:
riya Posted April 16, 2009 Posted April 16, 2009 I am just hoping Sharia for all of Pakistan. Then lets see if hassan mian ever goes back to his dear motherland. Uncle sam will be there before you know it. :yay: I am sure those who support Sharia Law are any where near to the place where it employed .I don't think a single woman would support such a law .Ceratin MCPs would do .Quite understandably.
punjabi_khota Posted April 16, 2009 Posted April 16, 2009 I am sure those who support Sharia Law are any where near to the place where it employed .I don't think a single woman would support such a law .Ceratin MCPs would do .Quite understandably. Women don't matter in Pakistan or Afghanistan or a lot of other middle eastern countries,
Macj Posted April 17, 2009 Posted April 17, 2009 Its interesting to note that there has never been an international cricket match played in Balochistan.
hassan_113 Posted April 18, 2009 Posted April 18, 2009 Well, one has to show some spirit when being abused left, right and centre- so if anybody is full of themselves, it's not me. Personal abuses are not welcome, grow up those who do so. Omar Abdullah is a pathetic useless puppet....Kashmiris from Srinagar (including those there RIGHT NOW) have told me about him and how useless he is. Chance for Kashmir for having a chance of deciding a future
Macj Posted April 18, 2009 Posted April 18, 2009 Chance for Kashmir for having a chance of deciding a future When will you guys give Balochistan, POK , PATA, FATA Sindh a chance to decide their future?
hassan_113 Posted April 18, 2009 Posted April 18, 2009 when you ket kashmir have their decision, lolz. 'pok' is buzzing, run by expats.
Macj Posted April 18, 2009 Posted April 18, 2009 when you ket kashmir have their decision, lolz. 'pok' is buzzing, run by expats. Yep theyre called the Taliban.
Desi Cartman Posted April 18, 2009 Posted April 18, 2009 when you ket kashmir have their decision, lolz. 'pok' is buzzing, run by expats. :yawn2: Go watch IPL ...
Desi Cartman Posted April 18, 2009 Posted April 18, 2009 when you ket kashmir have their decision, lolz. 'pok' is buzzing, run by expats. Btw why do u wanna join that failed nation anyway .. didnt u see happy muslims in Bangalore or wherever u went in India ... dont u for a second think that it has nothing to do with India being a hindu majority and that Pakis are using Kashmir to destabilize India ?
hassan_113 Posted April 18, 2009 Posted April 18, 2009 My dad's Pakistani- we and most people in Kashmir think likewise I did see happy Muslims in Bangalore- that was great :-) It made me really happy to see that, you know? It made me proud to be there and experience a great nation and the peace between Hindu and Muslim. People there are so wonderufl desi cartman, I can't thank them enough and I love them so much and will never forget them and remember them every day. Some people there said they loved Pakistan and supported them v India in cricket! Bangalore is a bona-fide part of India that was always meant to be part of India. When I was in India, I hardly ever thought of Kashmir until I saw the map loll. What did break my heart a little was when I was in Delhi and was asked if I wanted to arrange a trip to Kashmir- I said 'no,' even though I would have loved to. It was around time of Amarnath stuff and also I was with two others and did not want to compromise their and my safety. Otherwise, I generally didn't think of Kashmir whilst I was in India- honestly. Kashmir is a different issue altogether compared to other places (e.g Bangalore). Even Nehru said Kashmiris should be allowed to make a decision! In Jammu and I guess Ladakh, people hold the tricolour with pride and sing 'my mother India..' but it's the Kashmiri valley where most people do not support Indian union and indeed hold black flags up on 15th August. It's these people that it seems will always be the problem for India. I'm very proud of my roots. Even if Azad Kashmir made to be Pak and Kashmir valley and Jammu and Ladakh made to be India, I hope that Kashmiris are allowed to travel across with a scrapping of LoC. We have an nasty influence in Pakistan at the moment...but are proud to be Pakistani and it will not become a failed nation. Pakistan will remain great and the Kashmiri community ruled by Pakistan would much rather join Pakistan, be able to continue buzzing away with all the cash from England and be happy. P.S. Kashmiri community in England are as taliban as each and every one of you in most cases (i.e. they aren't!) One day- one way or another- Kashmir will be free of violence and occupation by soldiers. That will be a day to savour and it will inshallah happen in the next decade I think Pakistan doesn't really give too hoots about destabilising India these days- it has too much on its head. It believes that Kashmir is a disputed territory that has a right for self-determination- including Azad Kashmir and Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir. Pakistan has nothing much to gain from supporting any 'attacks' inside Indian-held Kashmir valley for people will not support violence no longer after years of it- from militants and the Indian army. The people of the valley distance themselves from it. An important thing to note is that in the past at peak of militancy, people in the valley called for azadi, Kashmir banega Pakistan etc which you could say was linked. However, since then with low levels of militants- the call for azadi etc is coming from younger people not linked to past events and no link to militancy, which is an important event. The Indian authorities have noted this and are worried because despite all its efforts and Kashmir voting at elections, people still do not want Indian union. Anywayz, lets see and pray that people throughout this landlocked area are free from occupation from soldiers and can live peacefully and render Kashmir a glorious area for all once again. P.S. desi- like your pic! Arun Lal is great! :D
Desi Cartman Posted April 19, 2009 Posted April 19, 2009 ^ ok Hassan .. now my next questions * Do u think pak is responsible for arming and sending militants to India ? especially J&K and was it right for a country to send terrorist to another country ? * So your dad is a pakistani and mom is a kashmiri ? So I suppose your mother's family is from POK .. so did they move to POK or do they belong to that area ? * What exactly has kashmir achieved in the last 20 years of fight for Banega pakistan ?While the rest of the country has booming economy more jobs , roads and other facilities youth in kashmir is still unemployed and far away from any progress. Why cant the pro-separation Kashmiris peacefully ask for plebiscite and till then have a normal life. I can be unhappy in Aus or Ind but that doesnt mean that I will throw out a group of people who follow a different religion , then ask for azadi .. Gandhi could do it without guns why cant kashmir ?
hassan_113 Posted April 19, 2009 Posted April 19, 2009 - How am I meant to know desi, really? Pak says no, India yes. I really don't know- but both sides have been at fault in some way- it is not all totally one-sided! - Yes. Her lot always lived in Azad Kashmir although her grandmother was from Poonch near what is now Indian-occupied side - They have not achieved much in pro-Pakistan/independence in terms of a solution, but they want a right for deciding who they live under....a lot of people ask peacefully at rallies not involving militants and try to lead a normal life. India says miltancy levels are low yet the call for no union with India continues- as I said above. The UN is useless as regards Kashmir - Kashmir has tried peacefully but the people that represent the common person are not involved in peace talks now or in past (e.g. Geelani, Umar Farooq), the people vent their frustration at the 1000s of army people of India in the valley....they believe India will never allow self-determination and do not want India - If India let go of only the valley (not necaessarily secession to Pak)- it wouldn't be a massive loss in many ways- less headache, less trouble/violence and Pakistan/India would get on better. Less expenditure for you guys paying high tax just for a bunch who do not want Indian rule...crazy or what?! I'm sure my taxes (high!) of domestic flights went up there to J&K! - I sincerely believe if Jammu and Kashmir was solved, the world would be a more peaceful place...peace is easy to make- both sides have to realise they will not occupy all of the area and that they need to think of the people living there and what is best for both sides in conjunction with the two countries without alienating the Kashmiri people: I quite honestly find it ridiculous that Azad Kashmir and Kashmiri valley are separated by a LoC
Desi Cartman Posted April 19, 2009 Posted April 19, 2009 - How am I meant to know desi, really? Pak says no, India yes. I really don't know- but both sides have been at fault in some way- it is not all totally one-sided! u know it ... :winky: - Yes. Her lot always lived in Azad Kashmir although her grandmother was from Poonch near what is now Indian-occupied side So whats your problem ? Her family didnt even have to even move .. think about KP who heard announcements everyday from Masjid to leave Kashmir .. - wasnt that terrible ? - They have not achieved much in pro-Pakistan/independence, but they want a right for deciding who they live under....a lot of people ask peacefully at rallies not involving militants and try to lead a normal life. India says miltancy levels are low yet the call for no union with India continues- as I said above. The UN is useless as regards Kashmir Then kashmir needs leadership .. thats what I meant when I mentioned Gandhi .. Killing and ethnic cleansing is not an acceptable way to demand anything from a govt. I guess you would agree ? - If India let go of only the valley- it wouldn't be a massive loss in many ways- less headache, less trouble/violence and Pakistan/India would get on better. Less expenditure for you guys paying high tax just for a bunch who do not want Indian rule...crazy or what?! I'm sure my taxes (high!) of domestic flights went up there to J&K! It doesnt work that way.. Its like if my son starts doing coke tomorrow I should help him move out since that way he wont steal from me ? Yes its crazy that every Indian (including Kashmiris) pay extra taxes for j&k but then in Aus taxes are higher since well to do people need to support the poor ... Cant help it .. Thats what country is for .. to help the needy On the other hand, do u think kashmiris are thankful that every year delhi gives them millions of dollars to pay for their cheap electricity , govt hospitals etc whiley the continue to shout Azadi ? One more thing , do u think Indian govt forced high turnout in elections ? I dont know if the cm is good or not .. I am wondering why would people who dont want anything to do with India .. go out , risk their lives and vote ?
pan_walla Posted April 19, 2009 Posted April 19, 2009 Hassan you are so biased that it ain't even worth talking with you. Keep dreaming.
Macj Posted April 20, 2009 Posted April 20, 2009 Give independence to Balochistan, allow them to rejoin their brothers from Iran then we'll talk about POK.
hassan_113 Posted April 20, 2009 Posted April 20, 2009 Desi, It was wrong that KPs were made to move in a nasty, nasty way- which I do not agree with. Pakistan also has to do same as India re: cheap electricity The Kashmiris do want India's help- which is why they are not grateful. They are also not 'needy.' They continue to shout for azadi, so why not stop giving them all that money then? People like Omar Abdullah might bow at the sight of money but the general population will not. Omar Abdullah ('chief minister') is known amongst the public to be a puppet for New Delhi and they know he will not bring about the much needed change that Kashmir wants- a free Kashmir. Why do Kashmiris go out to vote? Welll, they have bread and butter everyday issues- they still have to live- whether it be under the occupation of Indian soldiers or not. This according to the people has and does not mean a call for Indian union. Hopefuly Sajad Lone, son of late Abdul Ghani Lone (my dad gave him salaam years ago when he saw him in Birmingham with his wife!!) can change all this and he says if elected, will tell the Indian government Kashmir does not want to be with them- then in my view this would help for India and Pakistan to start demilitarising the area.
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