Guest Gunner Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 And how does it matter if in all chances given together Kohli has proven himself to be a better performer than Badrinath or Vijay be it the Sri Lanka series or domestic OD cricket? I am not disputing that kohli is a good player but your point that he is better than Badrinath and Vijay really is byond my understanding. I repeat the stats here: V Kohli 26 games, 1090 runs, Avg 49,5 M Vijay 25 games, 1000+ runs, Avg 44,5 Badrinath 89 games, 2800 runs, Avg 40,6. Virat has played lesser games than Badrinath and about the same number of games as Vijay and honestly his stats are not significantly better. This is like saying that Bevan is better than SRT since he averages more in ODI. Link to comment
Chandan Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 Kohli and Vijay werent competing for a place in the first place. Kohli and Badrinath were. Kohli isn't a specialist opener. The squad is 16 instead of 15 to fit in the specialist opener. So enlighten us on how virat kohli deserved his place ahead of badrinath rather instead of bringing vijay into it. I just wonder when the need for this specialist opener come in ODIs? Is Sachin a specialist opener? Was Saurav a specialist opener? Is Sehwag a specialist opener? Was Gilchrist a specialist opener? Is Clarke a specialist opener? So why do we need a specialist opener in ODIs all of a sudden and that too on absolute flat tracks or low and slow decks of WI? Kohli deserved a place ahead of Vijay and even Badrinath. If the latter two are chosen in place of a more deserving player, what do you attribute that to? Isn't that a very poor selection, if not biased? Link to comment
youngindia Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 And how does it matter if in all chances given together Kohli has proven himself to be a better performer than Badrinath or Vijay be it the Sri Lanka series or domestic OD cricket? there maybe a series or season where shoaib malik may average more than sachin. so??? :haha: selectors have to make judgements like a. how much a player has advanced in game andmaturity. b. how ready is he for international cricket. c.is it the right time ? as you can see, 19 /20 yr olds do not stand a high chance here.they are more immature in life or strategy.their game is at a less mature stage. maybe if they think you are sachin,they may give you an exception. if you look at australia, usually only their best players like greg chappell,border,steve waugh,ponting and now phil hughes debut in their early 20's. Link to comment
The Outsider Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 You are now way in over your head. Badrinath has played 90 List A games and averages 41 as opposed to Kohli who has played just 25 games. Your point doesn't hold water. On a sustained basis over a period of time Badrinath has proved to be reliable and consistent. How many games did kohli play to average 90 and SR 110, please provide the data. Are you going to make a selection based on what someone did years back or based on recent form? Those are Kohli's numbers from the most recent premier domestic OD tournament which has 7-8 matches I think every season. I am not really against Badrinath's selection all that much - he has been a consistent performer and should be given a series at least to prove his worth even though Kohli was better in SL and in the recent domestics. But Vijay's selection over Kohli makes no sense at all. Link to comment
Guest Gunner Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 Pathetic team. 1.Dhoni n Yuvraj needed rest clearly.dhoni certainly. 2.why is Ishant getting selected despite his pathetic performances? 3.why isn't Irfan selected?he did reasonably well(atleast better then Ishant) .he wasnt selected for England game too.Dhoni created a furore over his selection earlier too.just feel he doesnt like Irfan's face. 4.why is Nehra selected?he bowled well in IPL but is 30 yrs old now n we all know his batting n fielding capabilities,younster like Sudeep Tyagi should have been in 5.n selection of Badri n Vijay lacks any common sense n like other said smacks of regionalism Provide some data to support that please. Arguments without facts are just hollow. Link to comment
Guest Gunner Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 I just wonder when the need for this specialist opener come in ODIs? Is Sachin a specialist opener? Was Saurav a specialist opener? Is Sehwag a specialist opener? Was Gilchrist a specialist opener? Is Clarke a specialist opener? So why do we need a specialist opener in ODIs all of a sudden and that too on absolute flat tracks or low and slow decks of WI? Kohli deserved a place ahead of Vijay and even Badrinath. If the latter two are chosen in place of a more deserving player, what do you attribute that to? Isn't that a very poor selection, if not biased? Those guys may not have been specialist openers but wouldn't you say that they all had great techniques and were close to being the best batsmen if not the best in those sides? The problem is either you put a mercurial batsman as an opener or you have a specialist opener who doesn't get found out against quality bowling and loses momentum for the side. Right now the most mercurial batsman in the Indian side Viru is out of action, SRT is not playing so you do have to pick a guy who is a specialist in that position and not force someone to do that job. Link to comment
Guest Gunner Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 Are you going to make a selection based on what someone did years back or based on recent form? Those are Kohli's numbers from the most recent premier domestic OD tournament which has 7-8 matches I think every season. I am not really against Badrinath's selection all that much - he has been a consistent performer and should be given a series at least to prove his worth even though Kohli was better in SL and in the recent domestics. But Vijay's selection over Kohli makes no sense at all. AFAIK, Badrinath is an active domestic player for the last 4-5 years and these are not some ancient stats from the 1980s. This is where we are seeing it quite differently. I don't see Vijay's selection as an elimination of Virat. On the contrary it is a good test to see what is the depth of talent pool we have. And I am not at all against Kohli's selection, the slip up from the selectors is that they should have picked both and rested another batsman probably Gambhir. Link to comment
Params7 Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 All this hate towards Irfan Pathan from Dhoni and the selectors is boggling my mind. Really. Irfan is one of the best pace bowlers we have currently. Irfan >>>>>>>>>> Nehra Link to comment
The Outsider Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 there maybe a series or season where shoaib malik may average more than sachin. so??? :haha: selectors have to make judgements like a. how much a player has advanced in game andmaturity. b. how ready is he for international cricket. c.is it the right time ? as you can see, 19 /20 yr olds do not stand a high chance here.they are more immature in life or strategy.their game is at a less mature stage. maybe if they think you are sachin,they may give you an exception. if you look at australia, usually only their best players like greg chappell,border,steve waugh,ponting and now phil hughes debut in their early 20's. Errr...in case you missed it, Kohli already did a fantasitc job in Sri Lanka opening the innings. He played with remarkable maturity and technique against Murali and Mendis at their home. He followed that up with a blistering domestic season and a decent IPL. On what basis are you saying that Vijay is better prepared for international circket than Kohli? Link to comment
Jabu Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 Wait and C wht Vijay going to get this time from WI fast bowler.:pray::pray::(( Link to comment
youngindia Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 Errr...in case you missed it, Kohli already did a fantasitc job in Sri Lanka opening the innings. He played with remarkable maturity and technique against Murali and Mendis at their home. He followed that up with a blistering domestic season and a decent IPL. perhaps you didn't notice how he cursed himself after every damn setback and showed his frustration constantly to the opposition prompting smiles fromthe commnetators.it was childish stuff. or how he was unconvincing vs zaheer in the irani game. why do seniors like hayden and gilchrist notch up long knocks consistently? why do youngsters like raina and kohli fail to play long knocks? because they lack the maturity,polished game,years of experience to do so. the yuvraj of 2007 is vastly superior to the yuvraj of 2002. the ganguly of 2000 is vastly superior to the ganguly of 1992.even sachin didn't get a single hundred before 1994. The timing,strategy,technique is refined by years of practise and experience. kohli has not clocked enough.his timing will be better in three years time. but right now, he is better off learning. vijay is atleast three years more ready than kohli.because he strikes and times the ball significantly better.his game is relatively more ready. Link to comment
spectre Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 All this hate towards Irfan Pathan from Dhoni and the selectors is boggling my mind. Really. Irfan is one of the best pace bowlers we have currently. Irfan >>>>>>>>>> Nehra Good joke :haha: Crapthan is worst of the lot and rightly given the boot.Ii am happy that Dhoni atleast got this right Link to comment
The Dark Horse Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 Lady luck smiled at Kohli last time around.. Now it didnt. Simple. He has to accept both and look forward to put in performances.Thats it. Link to comment
The Dark Horse Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 Good joke :haha: Crapthan is worst of the lot and rightly given the boot.Ii am happy that Dhoni atleast got this right Even Crapridi bowls faster than Irfan now.. Link to comment
someone Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 If performances are judged according IPL or which has been the case for many times aka One time wonder Gony then the squad is good Kohli did nothing in IPL to prove that he should be in t20 squad and badri better than him at least atm Link to comment
Shane Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 Lady luck smiled at Kohli last time around.. So you think its now Vijay's turn ? Link to comment
ludhianvi Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 :hello: Another way to look at the selection is fill the batting order and the spots available i.e openers, middle order batsmen, all rounders, spinners, pacers. I think Murali may have been picked to fill the opener's slot along with Gambhir. What about the exclusion of Sreesanth? I thought he did pretty well in the IPL. Yeah, I know one shouldnt select ODI XI by looking at the form of t20 but in this case, Sree has played ODI cricket and was sidelined due to an injury. So the concern was more about fitness and I think he his fit. Badrinath is a very good ODI addition for me .. bats well, rotates the strike, great fielder. Link to comment
The Dark Horse Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 So you think its now Vijay's turn ? I dont think Vijay was lucky.. he was a part of the ODI setup when we toured NZ(if i am right). But yes, Kohli was unlucky this time. Link to comment
Shane Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 If performances are judged according IPL or which has been the case for many times aka One time wonder Gony then the squad is good Kohli did nothing in IPL to prove that he should be in t20 squad and badri better than him at least atm I disagree. Perhaps you arent a fan, ask the RCB supporters how crucial an innings was it in the Round Robin stage against CSK, at 3/30 the way he played Murali and Jakati in spinner friendly conditions, he got us outta jail and again those crucial sixes in the Semi Final. He didnt get enough chances with the bat, since he was betting way down the order. Link to comment
h4te Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 somebody please check if legendz 'ticz is okay? 'ticz must've died that kholi didn't get selected :yikes: Link to comment
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