Murali vs. Tendulkar

[Jersey #10]

Greatest doesn't necessarily mean numbers all the time, it involves lot of personality, respect and ability to carry yourself around. SRT's composure over the years in his game, personal life, critics and dedication is what makes him great. Murali i is big, very big but very small in comparison to Tendulkar Murali carried 30 Million smiles, Tendulkar has 30 times that

This site owner is very smart and makes sensible comments :yay: i totally agree:--D

[patriot]

you do realize that Sachin holds almost 70 records as a batsman while Muralitharan holds less than 15 right?

LOL..show me all the " real" records. ( Not ones likes most no of stadium appearances, youngest cricketer, most number of consecutive tests..etc that you saw on that masala website :finger:) ..and IL show you one more than that for Murali. You must be seriously deluded to argue on the matter of the most sucessful bowler in the history of the game.:winky:

[patriot]

Murali averages 36 against OZ. Murali averages 30 against India. Not the hallmarks of the greatest cricketer ever. Especially given the fact that OZ and India have been the 2 leading test playing teams during his career. He has done well against SA among the top teams. He is not even the greatest bowler of his generation. I would put McGrath, Akram ahead of him and maybe Warne too.

Don't exaggerate P_K. You do realise that Kumbles career average is about 30, do you ? And he is inarguably one of the greatest bowlers of all times. I am not arguing that Murali is the greatest cricketer of all times - I think Bradman for sure is - what I am merely saying is that Murali has achieved as much or more as a bowler than SRT has as a batsmen in terms of piling on milestones, records and winning matches for each ones respective countries. To average well over 6 wickets per test match at a lowest strike rate for a spinner for nearly 800 fricking wickets - is uncomparable and unsurmountable. Not for nothing was he rated by Wisden as the greatest ever bowler. He also holds the number 4 position in all time greatest ICC test ratings .

[Jersey #10]

LOL..show me all the " real" records. ( Not ones likes most no of stadium appearances, youngest cricketer, most number of consecutive tests..etc that you saw on that masala website :finger:) ..and IL show you one more than that for Murali. You must be seriously deluded to argue on the matter of the most sucessful bowler in the history of the game.:winky:

how about this...you show me Murali's records and I ll show you 10 more of Sachin's "real records" than that of Muralis... Its very obvious dude...good luck searching. :two_thumbs_up:

[Jersey #10]

btw, Its kind of a trivia (not a record) .. sachin was the first ever to be given out by a third umpire in 92-93...kind of funny

[Jersey #10]

its not like murali gets a 5 wickets haul every match he plays similarly sachin doesn't make a ton every match he plays...kiddo stuff for a discussion really lol

[patriot]

its not like murali gets a 5 wickets haul every match he plays similarly sachin doesn't make a ton every match he plays...kiddo stuff for a discussion really lol

Its funny that you think Murali is even comparable - if 5 wickets to a ton is the comparable - Murali has an eye popping 66 - One in less than every 2 games . The closest competitor ( Warne ) has "only" 37.

[Guest Hiten.]

Don't exaggerate P_K. You do realise that Kumbles career average is about 30, do you ? And he is inarguably one of the greatest bowlers of all times. I am not arguing that Murali is the greatest cricketer of all times - I think Bradman for sure is - what I am merely saying is that Murali has achieved as much or more as a bowler than SRT has as a batsmen in terms of piling on milestones, records and winning matches for each ones respective countries. To average well over 6 wickets per test match at a lowest strike rate for a spinner for nearly 800 fricking wickets - is uncomparable and unsurmountable. Not for nothing was he rated by Wisden as the greatest ever bowler. He also holds the number 4 position in all time greatest ICC test ratings .

Just explain me how do you measure Murali's achievements as a BOWLER with Tendulkar's as a BATSMAN ? I mean none of the experts on ICF, cricketing fraternity have been able to do so but you seem to be confident of finding the missing piece in such comparisons :nervous:

[The Outsider]

Lol! What is Murali's performance against the two best batting line ups he bowled to - Zilch!

[Jersey #10]

Its funny that you think Murali is even comparable - if 5 wickets to a ton is the comparable - Murali has an eye popping 66 - One in less than every 2 games . The closest competitor ( Warne ) has "only" 37.

dude...I understand the comparision between murali and warne...but murali and sachin? :haha::haha::haha:

[Jersey #10]

Sachin has many more MOS and MOM than murali in both ODI and Tests..what does that say? my 8 year old brother beside me says that "sachin has positively influenced many more games than Murali" hence a more consistent match winner? ...hmm.. hmmm...is this debate this simple to conclude?

[Jersey #10]

Don't exaggerate P_K. You do realise that Kumbles career average is about 30, do you ? And he is inarguably one of the greatest bowlers of all times. I am not arguing that Murali is the greatest cricketer of all times - I think Bradman for sure is - what I am merely saying is that Murali has achieved as much or more as a bowler than SRT has as a batsmen in terms of piling on milestones, records and winning matches for each ones respective countries. To average well over 6 wickets per test match at a lowest strike rate for a spinner for nearly 800 fricking wickets - is uncomparable and unsurmountable. Not for nothing was he rated by Wisden as the greatest ever bowler. He also holds the number 4 position in all time greatest ICC test ratings .

that's 3 wickets per innings... almost 17000 runs is also incomparable at an consistent average of 45 odd.... you do realize that you are talking about the greatest batsman of his era right?

[patriot]

Lol! What is Murali's performance against the two best batting line ups he bowled to - Zilch!

Let's see Murali's " worsts": Against India ..Murali's record/average (30) is as good as Kumble's career record - ZIlch ? Nah. Considering the fact that another Wizard - Warne -averages a pathetic 47 against us. Against Australia ...Murali's career record (36) is average - but thats because of what has been happening to him in tours of Australia so far - chucking calls , worst kind of racial abuse from the crowd etc - His record against Aussies at home is awesome as usual.

[Jersey #10]

Let's see Murali's " worsts": Against India ..Murali's record/average (30) is as good as Kumble's career record - ZIlch ? Nah. Considering the fact that another Wizard - Warne -averages a pathetic 47 against us. Against Australia ...Murali's career record (36) is average - but thats because of what has been happening to him in tours of Australia so far - chucking calls , worst kind of racial abuse from the crowd etc - His record against Aussies at home is awesome as usual.

get some stats right dude Murali averages 36 against OZ. Murali averages 70 in OZ. Murali averages 30 against India. Murali averages 40 in India. seems as if he is a tiger in SL and a pusseey cat outside of SL...(as some hindi idiom goes)

[The Outsider]

Let's see Murali's " worsts": Against India ..Murali's record/average (30) is as good as Kumble's career record - ZIlch ? Nah. Considering the fact that another Wizard - Warne -averages a pathetic 47 against us. Against Australia ...Murali's career record (36) is average - but thats because of what has been happening to him in tours of Australia so far - chucking calls , worst kind of racial abuse from the crowd etc - His record against Aussies at home is awesome as usual.

Where did Kumble and Warne enter the discussion? Let's compare Murali an Tendulkar against the top oppositions and in their backyard!!

[patriot]

Sachin has many more MOS and MOM than murali in both ODI and Tests..what does that say? my 8 year old brother beside me says that "sachin has positively influenced many more games than Murali" hence a more consistent match winner? ...hmm.. hmmm...is this debate this simple to conclude?

Thats ok.. but please avoid influencing your brother, or teaching him how to count. Waste of time. Murali 19 MOMs in 129 matches http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/49636.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=start;template=results;type=allround;view=awards_match Sachin 12 MOMS in 159 matches. http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/35320.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=start;template=results;type=allround;view=awards_match Murali 11 MOS in 129 Matches http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/49636.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=start;template=results;type=allround;view=awards_series Sachin 4 MOS in 159 matches http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/35320.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=start;template=results;type=allround;view=awards_series

[Guest Hiten.]

Against Australia ...Murali's career record (36) is average - but thats because of what has been happening to him in tours of Australia so far - chucking calls , worst kind of racial abuse from the crowd etc - His record against Aussies at home is awesome as usual.

HAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA Fineleg, where art thou ? I am sure even finey never made such silly excuses for their beloved star's under performance :hysterical:

[The Outsider]

BTW, an average of 70 for a bowler in a country is equivalent to an average of 15-20 for a batsman in a country. No wonder patriot considers Murali and Ponting all time greats

[Jersey #10]

Thats ok.. but please avoid influencing your brother, or teaching him how to count. Waste of time. Murali 19 MOMs in 129 matches http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/49636.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=start;template=results;type=allround;view=awards_match Sachin 12 MOMS in 159 matches. http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/35320.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=start;template=results;type=allround;view=awards_match Murali 11 MOS in 129 Matches http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/49636.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=start;template=results;type=allround;view=awards_series Sachin 4 MOS in 159 matches http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/35320.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=start;template=results;type=allround;view=awards_series

and are we only restricting this debate to test matches because murali comes no where near sachin in ODI?

[patriot]

BTW, an average of 70 for a bowler in a country is equivalent to an average of 15-20 for a batsman in a country. No wonder patriot considers Murali and Ponting all time greats

Actually your beloved ICC ratings and Wisden do too. Ponting and Murali both top 900 performance points , whereas their other beloved contemporary has never touched 900, ever.