Sehwag proves once again: Batting Strike rate matters a heck in tests.

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BossBhai, you keep missing the point. Tendulkar got freebies when he faced Walsh and Ambrose in West Indies, Waqar and Wasim in India in '99, Brett Lee, Glenn McGrath, and Jason Gillespie in 1999 (when he was the best player for India by some light years), against Pollock, Donald, Klusener and co in 1996 in South Africa (and in 2001), etc. And clearly, his superior average is evidence that he has ABSOLUTELY feasted upon Zimbabwe and Bangladesh( against whom he has his highest score). Oh, have I mentioned how in spite of scoring many runs, has never actually "dominated" an attack? You also overplay the fact that he scored a century (there we go with the 3-figure mark again) on the fastest pitch in the world on his first tour to Australia against some very good/great bowlers. Yeah, 1 good century in 20 years? What a ****ing loser. :wall: Dont even talk about how he "scored" 175 against Australia, and almost single handedly chased down a score of 350- half his runs were given to him as freebies. And dont bring up the twin centuries against Australia in 1998, they were utter rubbish, given that the attack had an injured Warne and no McGrath. What? You now think Michael Kasprowicz, Shane Warne (semi), and Jason Gillespie form a formidable attack? Well, thats cause you're so damn messed up. You're bringing up the 155* at Chennai vs. Warne? Um, I dont know if you forgot but your "God" was dismissed for 4 in the first innings. As you've clearly been told, first innings is when the match gets setup, and in 2nd innings, we're just saving the game. Why is your head so thick? (Ignore the fact that I might have criticized Tendulkar for the same a few months ago, but we're not really in September/October, are we?). Your stupid God couldn't even score 10 runs against a fired-up McGrath in the WC2003 final - and no, the "fact" that he brought us to the finals doesn't ****ing count. He didn't do much when it counted. He ought to learn from Sehwag (who claims that he's learned batting by watching Tendulkar, and practicing similar balance, but he's just being modest. Sehwag >> Tendulkar - who's a loser, and doesn't deserve half the credit that he gets. Dont you know that Bradman praised him so that his book would sell? Yeah, there was Don Tallon listed as the wicket keeper, but we all know Bradman was bluffing, and it should have been Alan Knott). Signed, Demented Moderator (and/or Patriot).

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[vvvslaxman]

I do not think Indian batting depends on one individual apart from few occasions (eg. Sehwag's 201 at Galle) Dhoni, Gauti, Laxman, Dravid, Tendulkar even Yuvraj, Harbhajan every single batsman have contributed in their own way.

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Which Indian is fastest* to 2000 runs ? http://http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/content/records/283152.html Which Indian is fastest* to 3000 runs ? http://http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/content/records/283177.html Which Indian is fastest* to 4000 runs ? http://http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/content/records/283179.html Which Indian after Gavaskar is fastest* to 5000 runs ? http://http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/content/records/283181.html Which Indian is about to be the fastest* to 7000 runs ? http://http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/content/records/283185.html Note: That someone needs 309 runs in 6 innings or less to become the record holder.

It is truly nauseating, this obsession with a single players personal landmarks.

:giggle:

[patriot]

Yeah I know that which is why I said a handicap ... because had Sehwag played the same sort of Fast bowlers that went around in the 90s his record wouldnt be that flashy too .... This is proven by the fact that there are only 3 or 4 batsmen in the 90s who averaged above 50 and Tendulkar was miles ahead of the Pack at 58. Heck that same Pak bowling attack 5 yrs prior in 1999 was a big menace Remember ? Infact Sehwag has openly acknowledged the fact that he went back to his coach to device a method to face Shoaib after he got knocked over first ball by Shoaib in a ODI in 1999 because he had no idea how to bat against high quality express pace. Spinners were meat and drink fo him no doubt. Heres the 90s stat: http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=batting_average;qualmin2=2000;qualval2=runs;spanmax1=31+Dec+1999;spanmin1=01+Jan+1990;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting forget the 90s ... lets talk 2000s .. in there SRT has more runs at a better avg than Sehwag despite a debilitating injury that took him nearly 2 yrs to recover from ... http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=batting_average;qualmin1=2000;qualval1=runs;spanmax2=31+Dec+2009;spanmin2=01+Jan+2000;spanval2=span;template=results;type=batting Hain ji ? He just made 2 freaking 100s against the same guys back to back ... And have you seen Donald,Pollock, Ambrose,Bishop,Walsh bowl at their absolute peak ?

And what makes you feel Sehwag would not have slaughtered them similarly ? he has already murdered Pollock on more than one occasion in tests, the rest he never faced. Ambrose, I remember was never good against India - averaging some 40 odd. Apart from that one innings in that single test in barbados..our batsmen have plundered a mountain of runs against Ambrose. Sidhu even hit a double against him. Even against South Africa - SRT averaged in the early 30's , till Shaun pollock was active. Check the stats, bheemji.

[The Outsider]

As you've clearly been told, first innings is when the match gets setup, and in 2nd innings, we're just saving the game. Why is your head so thick? (Ignore the fact that I might have criticized Tendulkar for the same a few months ago, but we're not really in September/October, are we?).

LOL! yeah, the guy was creaming all over Ponting's average in the 4th innings being higher than Tendulkar as his ability to handle "pressure" better!

[patriot]

LOL! yeah' date=' the guy was creaming all over Ponting's average in the 4th innings being higher than Tendulkar as his ability to handle "pressure" better! [/quote'] SRT's record in 4th innings is ordinary itself. Sehwag's is worse. But Sehwag more than makes up for it with his 1st/2nd innings average of 70+ , setting up the game more often than not.

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[patriot]

Out of the 4 match inngs Sehwag is better only in the 2nd match innings .... SRT is better in 1st' date= 3rd and 4th and that too over a career that is more than twice as lengthy as Sehwag and one that has seen a far more diverse cross-section of pitches bowlers and conditions. There ends the debate. http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/35263.html?class=1;template=results;type=batting http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/35320.html?class=1;template=results;type=batting

LOL...what sort of comparison is that ! .:hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:. Then Out of the 4 match innings SRT is better than Pwnting in only the 1st match innings. Pwnting is better in the 2nd , 3rd , 4th and that too without a couple of thousand of freebee runs and 10 freebee tons combined against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe. So there ends the debate . Ok ? http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/7133.html?class=1;template=results;type=batting http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/35320.html?class=1;template=results;type=batting On a more reasonable note in Sehwag's favour - 1) Unlike SRT, Sehwag has smothered each and every bowler of his time, in a manner unpreceedented in cricket history 2) Sehwag is ahead of SRT in terms of runs scored at the current stage and has been far far more dominant

[patriot]

ohhh I dont doubt for a second that Waggy would have done good even without anything on paper... but its you who seems to think that even while SRT is owning the same attacks as Sehwag its just not good enuff for you see the difference ? :--D

Owning ? Sehwag has been the farrrrrrr mroe dominant player. So what word you use for that ? Pawning ? :--D

[The Outsider]

Then Out of the 4 match innings SRT is better than Pwnting in only the 1st match innings. Pwnting is better in the 2nd , 3rd , 4th and that too without a couple of thousand of freebee runs and 10 freebee tons combined against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe. So there ends the debate . Ok ? http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/7133.html?class=1;template=results;type=batting http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/35320.html?class=1;template=results;type=batting

Are you sure you can read?

[patriot]

Are you sure you can read?

As well as you can..when you blaberred 2-0, earlier today.:hysterical::hysterical:. So its 2-2 , with SRT feasting like King Louis XII against poor minnows both in terms of runs and tons.

[The Outsider]

As well as you can..when you blaberred 2-0, earlier today.:hysterical::hysterical:. So its 2-2 , with SRT feasting like King Louis XII against poor minnows both in terms of runs and tons.

Didn't you open a thread blabbering 2-0 in all you glory? Here you go, removing Bangladesh : http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/7133.html?class=1;filter=advanced;opposition=1;opposition=140;opposition=3;opposition=4;opposition=5;opposition=6;opposition=7;opposition=8;opposition=9;orderby=default;template=results;type=batting http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/35320.html?class=1;filter=advanced;opposition=1;opposition=2;opposition=3;opposition=4;opposition=5;opposition=7;opposition=8;opposition=9;orderby=default;template=results;type=batting The Zimbabwe Tendulkar played was at least as good if not better than the West Indies and Pakis your hero bats against these days, and gets owned BTW! Anyhow, it was not my intention to interfere with your blabber and jabber - carry on. Just enjoyed seeing you read strike rates instead of averages and cream again. If your cricket knowledge did extend beyond the stats guru links you keep pasting you would have immediately realized - "that cannot be right"

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[vvvslaxman]

WTH man.. 4th innings 3rd innings 2nd innings... just let it go guys :cantstop: The thread is never going to close until Veeru goes through a rough patch . Criticize players only when it is warranted. Let us not carry life long hate towards a player (unless it is Afridi.. :--D ) As far as strike rate in Tests, it is impossible for everyone to play like Sehwag, Gilly. Even Lara, Punter, Tendulkar have slowed down when it was needed. Dravid has a paltry strike rate of 40. Different players play different roles. Some game breakers. Some consolidators. Some play a bit of both. If we are going to go blindly by strike rate Afridi will be the greatest match winner lol

[patriot]

Didn't you open a thread blabbering 2-0 in all you glory? Here you go, removing Bangladesh : http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/7133.html?class=1;filter=advanced;opposition=1;opposition=140;opposition=3;opposition=4;opposition=5;opposition=6;opposition=7;opposition=8;opposition=9;orderby=default;template=results;type=batting http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/35320.html?class=1;filter=advanced;opposition=1;opposition=2;opposition=3;opposition=4;opposition=5;opposition=7;opposition=8;opposition=9;orderby=default;template=results;type=batting The Zimbabwe Tendulkar played was at least as good if not better than the West Indies and Pakis your hero bats against these days, and gets owned BTW! Anyhow, it was not my intention to interfere with your blabber and jabber - carry on. Just enjoyed seeing you read strike rates instead of averages and cream again. If your cricket knowledge did extend beyond the stats guru links you keep pasting you would have immediately realized - "that cannot be right"

LOL..duffer. Pwnting owns your hero both in averges and strike rate. Take out Zimbabwe and Bangladesh , it gets even worse.

[patriot]

ditto for SRT ... strike rate isnt the be all and end all of Test match batting. Because of quality of bowling. But we also saw that SRT has made the same no.of runs as Sehwag in the 2000s at a similar avg .... Let me know if you want me to make a similar list ... although it will be quite disadvantageous for Sehwag as he has merely played 76 tests compared to 166 by SRT.

Strike rate is not the be all and end all but a difference of nearly 30 is MASSIVE. And Sehwag beats SRT hands down in Runs/innings too ( 51.47 vs 49.62 ) ( I don't think avg is a fair comparison because SRT coming at No.4 will have many more not outs compared to an opener)

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Yeah they don't. A strike rate of nearly 100 in tests with the highest runs/ innings in that group - without pounding the bangladeshi minnows. Sehwag doesn't belong to that group. Which/ how many year(s) has SRT had a strike rate of 100 in ODIS ? Privy to whatever you may want to assume SRT in his peak years was very aggressive in a poor team - but many galaxies away from the demolition man that Sehwag is. And oh..by the way please look up below and give me your vishesh biased tippani: Which Indian is fastest* to 2000 runs ? http://http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/content/records/283152.html Which Indian is fastest* to 3000 runs ? http://http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/content/records/283177.html Which Indian is fastest* to 4000 runs ? http://http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/content/records/283179.html Which Indian after Gavaskar is fastest* to 5000 runs ? http://http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/content/records/283181.html Which Indian is about to be the fastest* to 7000 runs ? http://http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/content/records/283185.html Note: That someone needs 309 runs in 6 innings or less to become the record holder. Fastest* - Not strike rate baba, it is blasphemous to even compare that. I am referring to innings to reaching run landmarks. Believe there was nothing that stopped SRT from being a run machine. He is. A great one at that. But someone else is a Version.5 run machine.

Sehwag reached the landmarks in lesser innings than Sachin because Sachin started in 90s when the conditions were tougher for batting and Sachin played much more tests outside the subcontinent at the start of his career.