Is IPL one of the reasons for India's dismal performance in World T20, 2010?

[Karan114]

^^ Oh ok. No problem, it was just some abuse of Niranjan anyways :winky:

[Chandan]

If Indian international players stop playing the IPL, it will be watched by 50 policemen and 10 dogs.

Shah means if players get tired because of IPL, they should opt out of international tourneys, like Sachin and Sehwag did. By no means was he saying that they can stop playing in IPL.

[Karan114]

Board backs skipper First Published: 00:13 IST(14/5/2010) Last Updated: 00:16 IST(14/5/2010) MS Dhoni can rest a little more peacefully, literally and otherwise. There will be no more parties in IPL IV and the Indian cricket board is not really upset over his remarks in St. Lucia. BCCI spokesperson Rajiv Shukla told HT on Thursday that the controversial ‘IPL Nites’ parties, the rights for which had been sold by suspended chairman Lalit Modi to Karbonn Mobiles to be shown on MTV would definitely be stopped. “It had unfortunately been made mandatory for players to attend some of these parties, something the rest of us discovered later. At the governing council meeting, we also felt that this was something that the franchise had rights over, so why should the BCCI or IPL have gotten involved in it at all,†Shukla told Hindustan Times. Shukla also said that Dhoni was not in trouble for speaking his mind. “If you had seen the whole press conference, you would realise that all Dhoni was doing was advising players to focus on their health. He was not making a comment on the BCCI or the IPL, he was talking to his players on how to approach matters.†And Shukla felt there was a need for this. “It’s different with senior players, be it a Yuvraj or a Harbhajan, they have an idea on how to conduct themselves at parties. But frankly, it was shocking to see how smitten some of the under-19 and under-22 boys were. Boozing, dancing, smoking till 4am…†Top BCCI sources though didn’t confirm reports that coach Gary Kirsten will be filing a report blaming lack of fitness of key senior players. He along with tour manager Ranjib Biswal will file a tour report, on the basis of which BCCI will decide its course of action. Shukla though told Hindustan Times that there is unlikely to be any drastic action against any player; the stress will be on improving performance, he said. But what of players playing high-pressure cricket “200 days in a yearâ€? Shukla said they would be allowed rest if they were tired, mentally or physically, carrying injury, or feeling they would aggravate an injury if they went ahead and played. When it was pointed out that some India players were worried that they would “lose places†in the team if they voluntarily took a break, he said then they were talking “rubbishâ€. “Top to bottom, great or a newcomer, any player, if he’s feeling tired and feeling he can't give 100 per cent needs to tell us that and it will not be held against him. And players have got to realise that if someone in this situation goes and under-performs because of the added strain, it will reflect as much on his individual record as the team’s overall. And that would not be good,†he said. He said requests from players who needed time out, whether they were a Sachin Tendulkar needing time off or an Ashish Nehra, who had struggled with injury before coming back, were always entertained. “Nehra is probably the most glaring example of someone who was out for a couple of years, got himself fit and then came back. If you’re good, you're in the reckoning,†he explained. In any case, next year, there might be no time even to party, with the number of games going up from 60 to 94.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Board-backs-Dhoni/Article1-543344.aspx

[Sachinism]

“It had unfortunately been made mandatory for players to attend some of these parties, something the rest of us discovered later. At the governing council meeting, we also felt that this was something that the franchise had rights over, so why should the BCCI or IPL have gotten involved in it at all,” Shukla told Hindustan Times.

In any case, next year, there might be no time even to party, with the number of games going up from 60 to 94.

BCCI don't need the parties. They have other plans to exhaust players :yay:

[graphic23]

Goddamn it. I read that as "Board sacks skipper" and was thrilled, and then I found out it backed him. :wall: With the amount of support that he gets being the captain, wicketkeeper and batsman of all three formats, India would do one of its better talents a great service by sacking him as captain from the shortest format. Make some other bakra the captain. He can, however, remain the captain of ODI and Tests.

[Karan114]

IPL parties: the inside story First Published: 00:20 IST(14/5/2010) Last Updated: 02:45 IST(14/5/2010) Dhoni was right in one way. Players have to make their own choices about their bodies, but it's not always that easy — not if you're not Mahendra Singh Dhoni or Sachin Tendulkar or Rahul Dravid. My problem with the IPL Nites parties was not that I was forced to attend by any contractual obligation. There was no such thing for me, or, to my knowledge, for any of my fellow India players. Each party was invariably the same routine. You would have a set-up with a ramp show that lasted 30 to 45 minutes, then the models would come off and mix with the rest and the party would take off. There were cheerleaders and girls who we called 'escort service'. Beautiful women to add glamour to the mix, get the party moving. They were not allowed to talk to any player for more than five minutes. If they did, a manager would walk up and slickly move her away. But there were other women, willing and uninhibited. The big-name players who did attend generally handled themselves without a problem. They would hang around, chat, have a drink, pick up a happy girl, sometimes two, take her back to the hotel room and have some fun. Watching some of our younger players, the u-19 and u-22 kids, though, was scary. They had never been exposed to Bollywood stars, Page 3 personalities, endless cigarettes (all free), flowing booze, occasionally drugs and always women, willing women, everywhere. The boys lapped it up, and would party right through. Those that didn't drink or smoke did so to be part of the cool gang. The pressure lay more in the occasional hint dropped by an IPL official, a sponsor or a franchise official that it would be good if I were there for a bit, that there were some people they would like me to meet. I am not Tendulkar or Dravid, I couldn't say no, go back to my room and stay there and not be bothered. So when you go back to the room to recover, you really don't want to hang around there when the rest of the guys are going downstairs — the parties are always in the team hotels — and you don't want to be called "boring". So you tell yourself, 'I'll go down for an hour', only, it's never an hour. Before you know it, it's 4am and you're heading back to your room, hurrying to pack up and head to another city, another game, another sponsor's commitment (which are endless), another shoot possibly and yes, another party. The problem is that you can never switch off mentally. Not on the field, not during the hours spent in airports when fans and the airport staff want an autograph, photograph or just a chat and not in the parties, where you'll be introduced to important people who will listen to you and perhaps, be important contacts who will make money for you. It's a choice and it's tiring but it's also business. You have to be switched on. It takes a toll, when you play a game, party till 4am, pack and grab an hour's sleep before heading for the airport and spend six to 12 hours travelling. Places like Jaipur and Chandigarh don't have direct connections to everywhere else. That's my most vivid memory of IPL, not the matches, not the parties but the endless travel and exhaustion — and next year, with 34 games more, it will only get worse. I didn't even know if I really wanted to. It's like this. The IPL is intense; short bursts of highly charged games and then, nothing. There's no period of introspection. (As told to Heena Zuni Pandit. The player has chosen to remain anonymous.)

http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed/cricket/IPL-parties-the-inside-story/Article1-543348.aspx

[mastana]

But there were other women, willing and uninhibited. The big-name players who did attend generally handled themselves without a problem. They would hang around, chat, have a drink, pick up a happy girl, sometimes two, take her back to the hotel room and have some fun. Watching some of our younger players, the u-19 and u-22 kids, though, was scary. They had never been exposed to Bollywood stars, Page 3 personalities, endless cigarettes (all free), flowing booze, occasionally drugs and always women, willing women, everywhere. The boys lapped it up, and would party right through. Those that didn't drink or smoke did so to be part of the cool gang. http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed/cricket/IPL-parties-the-inside-story/Article1-543348.aspx

:wall: :wall: Time to close this sh**.

[Zap_Brannigan]

This is ridiculous. Now you are blaming IPL for peer pressure ? Oh for fk sakes, are these 12 year olds? I can understand franchise or IPL putting pressure to attend these parties and i dont want the party night to continue but cmon peer pressure. Some South african is blaming their teams exist on IPL because SA players did not play enough games, some are blaming IPL for playing too many games. Some are judging players for what we ourselves do. Some want players to be robots who play only cricket. Some want players to mourn the loss and cry in a corner.

[yoda]

IPL nights party will be scrapped from next year. Would be good to see what the excuse is the next time around. :winky:

[Zap_Brannigan]

IPL nights party will be scrapped from next year. Would be good to see what the excuse is the next time around. :winky:

Withdrawal from IPL nights party ofcourse.

[Desi Cartman]

But there were other women, willing and uninhibited. The big-name players who did attend generally handled themselves without a problem. They would hang around, chat, have a drink, pick up a happy girl, sometimes two, take her back to the hotel room and have some fun.

Is this really needed in cricket ? I think its more and more clear now that Modi was making an absolute mess of Indian cricket , now I am happy that he is gone

[ludhianvi]

But there were other women, willing and uninhibited. The big-name players who did attend generally handled themselves without a problem. They would hang around, chat, have a drink, pick up a happy girl, sometimes two, take her back to the hotel room and have some fun. Watching some of our younger players, the u-19 and u-22 kids, though, was scary. They had never been exposed to Bollywood stars, Page 3 personalities, endless cigarettes (all free), flowing booze, occasionally drugs and always women, willing women, everywhere. The boys lapped it up, and would party right through. Those that didn't drink or smoke did so to be part of the cool gang. http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed/cricket/IPL-parties-the-inside-story/Article1-543348.aspx

Not a fan of this sort of culture being promoted by the IPL especially for the younger lot. They should ban these IPL after parties. As far as I know, these parties started in season three.

[Precambrian]

Yeh but there is a massive difference between Tests and T20's. When we started out in Test's we were absolute n00bs. Now we have a decent set up with a large pool of talent and we've shown that by being quite dominant in the other formats over the last few years. This talent should be able to perform in T20's as well. What you're saying is pretty much suggesting they're having to start from scratch again

Haha what is this young talent pool that helped us achieve number 1 in test rankings? Please don't evade the question, how does banning IPL help us in getting a champion t20 team? The best t20 teams have actually benefited from IPL. Look at England, Lumb, KP, Colly and even Morgan to some extent benefited from their stint in IPL. Kp has gone on record that England.ps bowlers also should take part in IPL. Or see Watson, Hussey, Warner in case of Australia. Jayawardena would never have opened for sri Lanka in t20s but for IPL. Malinga, Mathews, all sharpened their craft in IPL.

[Precambrian]

How many T20s has Sehwag played for India? Maybe 5, and you are writing a player of his class and caliber off! And don't bring in the IPL. Yes he has been mediocre there, but that's the kind of player Sehwag is. Look at his performances against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe. Before the Australian tour of '07-'08 when he was selected there were many on this board claiming injustice because he was not able to score against Himachal in Ranji trophy. Well, guess what he turned the tour around for us as soon as he was played in the 3rd test. It's downright dumb to question Sehwag's effectiveness and role. While people might have orgasms over Vijay and Pathan smacking the leather off the ball in the IPL, it is players like Sehwag who are going to win you international matches against quality opposition.

Quite forgetful of the fact that these 5 years are spread across more than 2 years which has also coincide with his peak in tests and Odis. Don't mix his test match brilliance with his t20 stuff. Nobody in their sane wits have anything against him in tests. But his t20 stuff is totally diff. If he can't do it in 3 years including IPL and international t20s at his peak, there is no reason why he should suddenly become a t20 master in the future. I could go deeper into why I think Sehwag cannot be a great t20 player ever, but don't want to here.

[Precambrian]

How many T20s has Sehwag played for India? Maybe 5, and you are writing a player of his class and caliber off! And don't bring in the IPL. Yes he has been mediocre there, but that's the kind of player Sehwag is. Look at his performances against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe. Before the Australian tour of '07-'08 when he was selected there were many on this board claiming injustice because he was not able to score against Himachal in Ranji trophy. Well, guess what he turned the tour around for us as soon as he was played in the 3rd test. It's downright dumb to question Sehwag's effectiveness and role. While people might have orgasms over Vijay and Pathan smacking the leather off the ball in the IPL, it is players like Sehwag who are going to win you international matches against quality opposition. LOL! Traveling is rubbish. If you haven't done it, you cannot imagine the toll it can take on you physically and mentally. Management consulting companies have special programs for their employees about how to cope with frequent travel with minimum effect on performance. Yes, they are traveling by flights. Can you give me a door to door travel time from Bangalore to Delhi? Even with the special treatment the players get, it won't be less than 6 hours! Kumble, a veteran of international cricket and IPL, has already said where there is more pressure. I see no reason to take your word over his, given that he no longer has any vested interest in cricket and is giving an honest opinion.

Don't try to make up things. Where has Kumble stated IPL tires people more as compared to international cricket? And don't give me this lecture about travels. If they're travelling 6 hours, they are doing so in the most comfortable fashion as possible. Air conditioned buses, planes. The only 'effort' they've is walking in and out of the buses, and inside airports. If that fatigues them, they are not fit to ball themselves sportsmen. And all this for just 3 hours of tontee tontee. Ha ha. Compare that with someone like Hussey, who at 35 has managed to be fit despite playing hard test cricket, where each day calls for double or triple the effort needed for a silly t20 match, the travel from Aus to Ind, travel within IPL, IPL matches, travel to WEST Indies, and is performing as if he's just come off a holiday.

[jukkha]

Nearly half the South African team and nearly all the Indian team were in the IPL. Nuff said!

[Precambrian]

Nearly half the South African team and nearly all the Indian team were in the IPL. Nuff said!

So did the Sri Lankan team which made to the semis. So was KP who has led England to the finals. So did Warner, Hussey, Watson too who have demolished attacks in this world Cup. So what's your point?

[jukkha]

So did the Sri Lankan team which made to the semis. So was KP who has led England to the finals. So did Warner, Hussey, Watson too who have demolished attacks in this world Cup. So what's your point?

A few reasons really. For the likes of Warner, watson KP etc, they haven't spent soooooooo much time playing on Indian soil, so have adapted easier to the different pitches of the Carribean. Also KP didn't do a 'full' season of IPL and neither did Watson. I think only Warner did? South Africa had already been in India for a while (even before IPL started) and kind of got used to Indian pitches a little too much maybe? India are playing tooo many games in INDIA and the IPL time has added to this... As for Sri Lanka, well they only played well against West Indies and maybe 1 other group game before that. The game against India came down to the last ball at the end of the day and really India 'should' have won that one... from being 91/1 after 10, all India needed to qualify for semis was score 175+. Against England in the semis 'could' have been Yuvraj's ticket to get back in form ;) India -need to play in other countries (outside the sub continent) more..

[Precambrian]

A few reasons really. For the likes of Warner, watson KP etc, they haven't spent soooooooo much time playing on Indian soil, so have adapted easier to the different pitches of the Carribean. Also KP didn't do a 'full' season of IPL and neither did Watson. I think only Warner did? South Africa had already been in India for a while (even before IPL started) and kind of got used to Indian pitches a little too much maybe? India are playing tooo many games in INDIA and the IPL time has added to this... As for Sri Lanka, well they only played well against West Indies and maybe 1 other group game before that. The game against India came down to the last ball at the end of the day and really India 'should' have won that one... from being 91/1 after 10, all India needed to qualify for semis was score 175+. Against England in the semis 'could' have been Yuvraj's ticket to get back in form ;) India -need to play in other countries (outside the sub continent) more..

Lol. Don't try to shift goal posts now. KP, Warner, Watson have all spent their lifetime on West Indies wickets then? Further how come Jayawardena who played all IPL games, also be the top scorer in this tournament? IPL has been such a brilliant indicator of players formwise. Pretty much all players who had a good IPL, had a good world Cup as well. And those who largely sucked in the IPL, including Pathan, sucked in world Cup as well. Only if the stupid board decided to wait till end or near the end to select their players.

[jukkha]

Lol. Don't try to shift goal posts now. KP, Warner, Watson have all spent their lifetime on West Indies wickets then? Further how come Jayawardena who played all IPL games, also be the top scorer in this tournament? IPL has been such a brilliant indicator of players formwise. Pretty much all players who had a good IPL, had a good world Cup as well. And those who largely sucked in the IPL, including Pathan, sucked in world Cup as well. Only if the stupid board decided to wait till end or near the end to select their players.

Not trying to shift any goal posts about anything?? just my opinions. I DO THINK that IPL immediately BEFORE a World Cup event HURTS INDIAN Cricket END OF..