sudheer kumar Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 Sehwag Did Get His Century! By Vox Purpli - YahooINEditors – August 17th, 2010 So it is now open season on Suraj Randiv, who bowled the no-ball that ‘denied’ Virender Sehwag a century he truly deserved (In contrast to those knocks where he blazes away from ball one, on this particular occasion Sehwag absorbed the loss of his colleagues at the other end, battled with the demons of the pitch and atmosphere, revealed an unsuspected ability to do the grind, and fulfilled the fantasies of millions of Indian fans who, ever since the swashbuckler made his debut, have lusted after the possibility that one day, he will bat through an innings). It is also open season on Kumar Sangakkara, the Sri Lankan captain, who if the transcription of words picked up from the stump mike is to believed, reminded Randiv, just as he prepared to bowl the decisive ball, that “If he hits it, he gets the run”. Digression: Consider Randiv’s brains, or lack thereof. If Kumar was in fact instructing his bowler, was that instruction to bowl a no-ball? Ridiculous – a batsman can and, in this instance did, hit a no-ball. A more canny bowler would have bowled a wide – because it is the wide that, by definition, you cannot hit. But back to cases: So everyone, from the Sri Lankan cricket board to sundry Indian stars of yesteryear, have been banging on about the Lankans’ lack of sportsmanship (If there is any irony in Mohammad Azharuddin, who was banned from international cricket for match-fixing and related activities, talking of the spirit of the sportsman, ignore it, please – it is also the silly season). What strikes us is how the public discourse, and wall to wall ‘exclusive’ coverage on television channels, misses the point: Sehwag was denied his century not by the Kumar-Suraj combine, but by scorers and umpires who were clearly asleep and/or ignorant of the rules. Here is what happened, pure and simple: Randiv bowled. The umpire called ‘no-ball’. There is a reason the umpire calls it as soon as a bowler bowls one – it is to let the batsman know that there are no real penalties attached to having a go. A batsman, on hearing that call, knows he can have a swing without running the risk of being bowled, caught, declared LBW. So Randiv bowled. The umpire called. Sehwag had a swing, and despatched the ball over the ropes. That is seven runs added to the total – one to the team total as an extra, the other six to Sehwag, the batsman who was quick to seize on the opportunity. Simple. This is where the idiocy of umpires comes in: How could the game be over as soon as Randiv over-stepped? A ball, to be deemed bowled, has to be delivered; the batsman has to play/miss it; in the case of the former the ball has to be retrieved while the batsman runs, or not…there is no provision in cricket for declaring a result, and ending a match, at some intermediate stage of this process. Thus, for umpires to declare that the game was over as soon as Randiv overstepped is plain folly. To understand this, consider a hypothetical situation: Randiv bowls. It is a no-ball. Sehwag decides the game is over, lets the ball go and walks off. Sangakkara collects and whips off the bails. Is the batsman out? Of course he is. The extra run cannot be counted until the ball in question is officially dead; in our example Sehwag left his crease while the ball was in play, therefore he is out. So, if his dismissal off a no ball counts, why were the runs he scored off that no ball not counted to his name? The question, simplified: How could the umpires, or the scorers, or both, consider the match over before the ball had completed its necessary course? Read Law 24 (No ball) Runs resulting from a No ball The one run penalty for a No ball shall be scored as a No ball extra. If other penalty runs have been awarded to either side, these shall be scored as in Law 42.17 (Penalty runs). Any runs completed by the batsmen or a boundary allowance shall be credited to the striker if the ball has been struck by the bat; otherwise they also shall be scored as No ball extras. Where is the ambiguity? The law clearly says that any runs completed by the batsman, or a boundary allowance, off a no ball shall be credited to the striker. Sehwag ‘completed’ a sixer. His score – unless the scorer is a congenital idiot – should have been 105. End of story. The key is to understand that a game is not declared over midway through a cricketing action – which is the space between a ball being ‘live’ and being ‘dead’. Consider this example: India needs one run to win. Sehwag whacks the ball high in the air. While the ball is in the air, the batsman cross over and complete a run. The ball comes down, and is caught. Is the game over, simply because the batsmen had crossed while the ball was in the air, and had not yet been caught? No, the verdict in this case would be, the batsman is out, the run doesn’t count. So clearly, runs and results are not declared at some arbitrary point while the ball is live – such a determination happens only after the ball is ‘dead’. The fallacy appears to be in the thinking that any runs accruing to the batsman and/or side after a result is achieved do not count. That is equally a fallacy. Here is an illustrative example: India needs to get one run to win. Sehwag drives, and the batsman race across for a single. The ball then goes on to cross the boundary. Do you award Sehwag one run, or four? Clearly, the answer is ‘four’ – despite the fact that the first of those runs won the game. It is not the intention of this post to ‘excuse’ what Randiv did, or what Sangakkara asked him to do. That action was clearly unsporting, childish, petty. Here was one of the great batsman of the modern era, in challenging conditions, digging deep within himself to play a match-winning innings that was contrary to type. A gracious opposition would have admired, applauded; instead, the Lankans appear to have conspired to score a childish ‘victory’. Fair enough. What beats us, though, is this: Why is there, amidst all this noise, no attempt to question the outcome declared by the scorers? Why is there no debate on the central question? Where were the umpires, the match referee? And where, incidentally, was the Indian team management that it did not think to question the scorers’ declared result?
Rajan Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 i think the OP misses the trees for the woods. there is a recent amendment by ICC specifically for such instances when the scores are tied. the rule cited by you above, is not applicable to this situation when the scores are tied. may be you can re-check ICC rules instead of squarely blaming umpires/scorers...
Gunner_Mania Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 While the OP may be barking at the wrong tree .i.e on the scorers than the rules.. the OP makes a perfectly valid point on why the rule is stupid.
VRV Singh Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 This is where the idiocy of umpires comes in: How could the game be over as soon as Randiv over-stepped? A ball, to be deemed bowled, has to be delivered; the batsman has to play/miss it; in the case of the former the ball has to be retrieved while the batsman runs, or not…there is no provision in cricket for declaring a result, and ending a match, at some intermediate stage of this process. This is absolutely correct, but the ire should be aimed at the authorities and rulebook rather than the umpires who simply follow the guidelines.
kabira Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 As soon as umpire calls noball, one run is scored, Team wins, game over, whatever batsman does with it is not counted. Although they should not count the delivery against the batsman.
Jersey #10 Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 The rules for the time when the scores are tied are different. Look at this scenario, Team A (Bat first) Team B (Chasing) It's 49.6th ball coming up and Team B has tied with the score of Team A with 9 wickets down. In this case Team B needs one run off the last ball to win the match. Team A bowler bowls a no ball and Team B's batter connects. Team B's players run to take that last run and gets run out. The conflict is whether to count the batter out and call it a draw or to count that no-ball run and let Team B win. In order to avoid this conflict, ICC has amended the rules for the situation where the scores are tied. All in all, you can't have the ICC or the umpires accountable for what happened between Sehwag and Randiv. They are only following the rules book. Having said that, Randiv should be punished if proven to be at fault.
sudheer kumar Posted August 18, 2010 Author Posted August 18, 2010 As soon as umpire calls noball' date= one run is scored, Team wins, game over, whatever batsman does with it is not counted. Although they should not count the delivery against the batsman. No ball run will count after ball was dead. In that situation batsmen make a shot and connect it. Ball was dead after crossing boundary line. So umpire should not call it no ball till ball dead. If they call it no ball they should add six more runs to the total. That makes Sehwag's century.
Lord Posted August 18, 2010 Posted August 18, 2010 As soon as umpire calls noball, one run is scored, Team wins, game over, whatever batsman does with it is not counted. Although they should not count the delivery against the batsman. u mean the game is complete midway through the delivery.it sounds weird isnt it
Gunner_Mania Posted August 18, 2010 Posted August 18, 2010 Team A bowler bowls a no ball and Team B's batter connects. Team B's players run to take that last run and gets run out. The conflict is whether to count the batter out and call it a draw or to count that no-ball run and let Team B win. . They would be stupid to run. As soon as no ball is called, They will just have to wait till the ball goes dead and they would win the match. Consider the scenario OP posts, as you say last ball of the match scores tied, 9 wkts down, batsman hits the ball in the air, completes the single before the catch is taken, does that mean his team has won because the single was completed before the catch and the match is over so he can't be out? No it isn't, he will be out the match is tied, the match is not decided when the ball is midway in the air.
sudheer kumar Posted August 18, 2010 Author Posted August 18, 2010 They would be stupid to run. As soon as no ball is called, They will just have to wait till the ball goes dead and they would win the match. Consider the scenario OP posts, as you say last ball of the match scores tied, 9 wkts down, batsman hits the ball in the air, completes the single before the catch is taken, does that mean his team has won because the single was completed before the catch and the match is over so he can't be out? No it isn't, he will be out the match is tied, the match is not decided when the ball is midway in the air. They were not run....there is another case also Batsman go front-foot to hit the ball which is no-ball bowled by bowler. Batsman miss it...and keeper hits the stumps... What will you say if this situation happens?
Rajan Posted August 18, 2010 Posted August 18, 2010 They were not run....there is another case also Batsman go front-foot to hit the ball which is no-ball bowled by bowler. Batsman miss it...and keeper hits the stumps... What will you say if this situation happens? it is still 1 run for the batting team.a no ball always stays as a no ball and 1 run. the batsman , even if stumped is not out, as it is a no ball. not a wide. if u r talking about run out, it does not apply here at all.because the batsman has not 'run'. batsman cant be given out 'stumped' off a no ball.the bowling team has to bowl another ball and the same batsman will face.period.
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