hari504504 Posted January 6, 2011 Posted January 6, 2011 Zaheer after every ball in that 2nd innings of the 2nd test went to the batsman and kept blabbering. Did anyone complain and make an issue of it' date=' be it the opposition or his own captain or the media. If it happens only to Sreesanth and happens every time, there is a reason. There is more to this than what we see on TV.[/quote'] Sledging isn't about talking to the batters for the heck of it..it falls flat on the floor if they choose to ignore you and makes you look like a looney talking to himself.. so the idea is to make them NOT ignore you..clearly Zak wasn't that good at it Not everyone is good at sledging... Sreesanth is good at it and this only means that Sreesanth manages to get under the skin of most batters and thus make them lose concentration, Smith,Hayden..etc We don't need a **** fair-play award.. we were in SA to win the damn series...
Fontaine Posted January 6, 2011 Posted January 6, 2011 Sledging isn't about talking to the batters for the heck of it..it falls flat on the floor if they choose to ignore you and makes you look like a looney talking to himself.. so the idea is to make them NOT ignore you..clearly Zak wasn't that good at it Not everyone is good at sledging... Sreesanth is good at it and this only means that Sreesanth manages to get under the skin of most batters and thus make them lose concentration, Smith,Hayden..etc We don't need a **** fair-play award.. we were in SA to win the damn series... That's pretty much false. In this series how many wickets has Sree gotten because he's made the opposition lose their wicket due to his sledging? The only one that really comes to mind is Smith off the pull shot but even that's questionable. All the other wickets have come about through very good bowling. AND THAT'S IT. What you don't understand is that when Sreesanth bowls well it's when he concentrates on his bowling rather than sledging and other theatrics. Of ALL the sledging Sree has done in this series, it's got him all of ONE wicket maybe. The rest has been due to bowling well with a great seam position. The fact is when Sree gets over emotional, that's when he loses his bowling radar. It was pathetic watching him yesterday after two of his appeals were turned down and he got into an incident with the crowd. His bowling went back to being mediocre. How much of a headcase is he that usual distractions that EVERY bowler has to face such as crowd noise and turned down appeals make him lose concentration? It's no wonder seniors in the team have to baby sit this guy because he's acts like such a child.
Fontaine Posted January 6, 2011 Posted January 6, 2011 What's more is that Sreesanth's theatrics end up hurting him more than anything else. What do you think is going to happen the next time he plays a test? Umpires are going to keep an eye on him because of his constant abuse and crowds are going to make an effort to taunt him because he's shown he can't handle it.
Fontaine Posted January 6, 2011 Posted January 6, 2011 Dhoni is a poor man-manager. I'm absolutely CERTAIN that for Sourav Ganguly' date=' his players' morale meant more than sycophancy.[/quote'] :hysterical: Yeah, it's not Sree's fault that he's a headcase, it's Dhoni's poor man management style. As a matter of fact you can Alan Donald who was coaching him in County Cricket, Sree's domestic state team, his own domestic board, Harbhajan Singh etc etc. It's all their fault that they have poor man management skills even though Sree has consistently stepped over the line in abusing players, getting fined, getting official warnings etc. Sree is never responsible for his own actions! :haha:
achilles Posted January 6, 2011 Posted January 6, 2011 :hysterical: Yeah, it's not Sree's fault that he's a headcase, it's Dhoni's poor man management style. As a matter of fact you can Alan Donald who was coaching him in County Cricket, Sree's domestic state team, his own domestic board, Harbhajan Singh etc etc. It's all their fault that they have poor man management skills even though Sree has consistently stepped over the line in abusing players, getting fined, getting official warnings etc. Sree is never responsible for his own actions! :haha: C'mon mate. Now we didn't rub in to every word of your previous posts on Sreesanth being trash and all that after Sree got his 5er and you conspicuously disappeared until he bowled as bad as everyone yesterday. You know what I meant. Incase you didn't, I repeat myself- Dhoni is a poor man-manager. I'm absolutely CERTAIN that for Sourav Ganguly, his players' morale meant more than sycophancy.
spectre Posted January 6, 2011 Posted January 6, 2011 :hysterical: Yeah, it's not Sree's fault that he's a headcase, it's Dhoni's poor man management style. As a matter of fact you can Alan Donald who was coaching him in County Cricket, Sree's domestic state team, his own domestic board, Harbhajan Singh etc etc. It's all their fault that they have poor man management skills even though Sree has consistently stepped over the line in abusing players, getting fined, getting official warnings etc. Sree is never responsible for his own actions! :haha:
achilles Posted January 6, 2011 Posted January 6, 2011 ^^ mate, you simply quoted the post as it is, without adding anything.
Fontaine Posted January 6, 2011 Posted January 6, 2011 C'mon mate. Now we didn't rub in to every word of your previous posts on Sreesanth being trash and all that after Sree got his 5er and you conspicuously disappeared until he bowled as bad as everyone yesterday.. Dude, I don't know if you remember but it was x-mas/new year's so yeah I had better things to do than constantly log on here. But I gave Sree plenty of credit when I came back, only to see him disintegrate again in the final innings. How predictable.
achilles Posted January 6, 2011 Posted January 6, 2011 Dude, I don't know if you remember but it was x-mas/new year's so yeah I had better things to do than constantly log on here. But I gave Sree plenty of credit when I came back, only to see him disintegrate again in the final innings. How predictable. C'mon mate. He's human. I know its obvious to expect him to perform every inning. But he seems to be destiny's favourite child. He has meteoric highs and abysmal lows. Part of the game.
Homerus_Unus Posted January 6, 2011 Posted January 6, 2011 @achilles Let it be, mate. Some people just won't understand how important it is to keep things strictly to the locker-room. Regardless of Sreesanth's misgivings, seeing him exposed to such humiliation by the press- courtesy of a captain who should have SHUT HIS PIE-HOLE- is definitely telling on us as a team. As it is in our culture, every bloke and his/her cousin with a brickbat comes out to have a fling at the fall-boy and what you're witnessing is rather symptomatic. I'm just surprised the discussion here hasn't snowballed into a North vs South all out war, like it has on ToI. Thank goodness for that! So, to conclude: Sree: Grow up and focus more on your skills. We like your lippiness, but you need to back it up with your abilities more often. Dhoni: Just shut the fook up. Your own performance with the bat was found wanting (save for that 90 in a losing effort) when it mattered, regardless of your stoic attitude on the field. What made it worse was your inability to put a lid on a non-issue; like a 6'4" man-boy throwing a hissy-fit over your own teammate's sledges. BTW, I'm talking about a teammate whom you should have VOCIFEROUSLY DEFENDED to the press- No exceptions! Bhajji: You truly need to shut the fook up. What goes once for Dhoni, goes twice for you. You are the last person to be yapping to the press about a teammate, in any manner whatsoever, considering the sh*t-storms you have caused prior. It would have been interesting to see your reaction had your teammates not stood by you then. Arrivederci!
asterix Posted January 6, 2011 Posted January 6, 2011 @achilles Let it be, mate. Some people just won't understand how important it is to keep things strictly to the locker-room. Regardless of Sreesanth's misgivings, seeing him exposed to such humiliation by the press- courtesy of a captain who should have SHUT HIS PIE-HOLE- is definitely telling on us as a team. As it is in our culture, every bloke and his/her cousin with a brickbat comes out to have a fling at the fall-boy and what you're witnessing is rather symptomatic. I'm just surprised the discussion here hasn't snowballed into a North vs South all out war, like it has on ToI. Thank goodness for that! So, to conclude: Sree: Grow up and focus more on your skills. We like your lippiness, but you need to back it up with your abilities more often. Dhoni: Just shut the fook up. Your own performance with the bat was found wanting (save for that 90 in a losing effort) when it mattered, regardless of your stoic attitude on the field. What made it worse was your inability to put a lid on a non-issue; like a 6'4" man-boy throwing a hissy-fit over your own teammate's sledges. BTW, I'm talking about a teammate whom you should have VOCIFEROUSLY DEFENDED to the press- No exceptions! Bhajji: You truly need to shut the fook up. What goes once for Dhoni, goes twice for you. You are the last person to be yapping to the press about a teammate, in any manner whatsoever, considering the sh*t-storms you have caused prior. It would have been interesting to see your reaction had your teammates not stood by you then. Arrivederci! That's primarily because Dhoni does "Chennai's Whistle Podu"..I'm not surprised many :csk: fans fighting it out in various threads..:giggle:
Hitman Posted January 6, 2011 Posted January 6, 2011 I feel for sreesanth, i think he is giving his best to the team in-spite of that he is always targeted. Why it is wrong when sree does it, remember nel? who has ugly face and do horrible things than sree but he is not targeted? When bowlers like nel or lee or stetn does it he is upsetting batsmen and taking wickets and they will be quoted 'what a clever bowler'. poor sreesanth. I do support him.
achilles Posted January 6, 2011 Posted January 6, 2011 @achilles Let it be, mate. Some people just won't understand how important it is to keep things strictly to the locker-room. Regardless of Sreesanth's misgivings, seeing him exposed to such humiliation by the press- courtesy of a captain who should have SHUT HIS PIE-HOLE- is definitely telling on us as a team. As it is in our culture, every bloke and his/her cousin with a brickbat comes out to have a fling at the fall-boy and what you're witnessing is rather symptomatic. I'm just surprised the discussion here hasn't snowballed into a North vs South all out war, like it has on ToI. Thank goodness for that! So, to conclude: Sree: Grow up and focus more on your skills. We like your lippiness, but you need to back it up with your abilities more often. Dhoni: Just shut the fook up. Your own performance with the bat was found wanting (save for that 90 in a losing effort) when it mattered, regardless of your stoic attitude on the field. What made it worse was your inability to put a lid on a non-issue; like a 6'4" man-boy throwing a hissy-fit over your own teammate's sledges. BTW, I'm talking about a teammate whom you should have VOCIFEROUSLY DEFENDED to the press- No exceptions! Bhajji: You truly need to shut the fook up. What goes once for Dhoni, goes twice for you. You are the last person to be yapping to the press about a teammate, in any manner whatsoever, considering the sh*t-storms you have caused prior. It would have been interesting to see your reaction had your teammates not stood by you then. Arrivederci! I must say I agree with every word you have written. I have no idea about what is up at ToI, for a North-South war on something like this is unnecessary. I like the way you've written and presented your take player-by-player.
Homerus_Unus Posted January 6, 2011 Posted January 6, 2011 I have no idea about what is up at ToI' date=' for a North-South war on something like this is unnecessary.[/quote'] I can't remember the exact heading of the article, but it (obviously) had to do with the Dhoni vs Sreesanth "fiasco" during this test. Comments included stuff like "All Southies are very sensitive" or the ubiquitously stupid "He needs another slap" and not to mention a sure-fire genius like "Keralites living abroad refer to themselves as Non-Resident Keralites and not Non-Resident Indians." Childish and stupid, really.
Homerus_Unus Posted January 6, 2011 Posted January 6, 2011 Maybe the match ref understands the extra passion involved in the ashes. And England and Australia dont go crying to the match ref like SA and Ind in the current series. Extra passion...does that come with every package of black pudding? Seriously, you love inserting your foot in your mouth every time you yap, don't ya?
Fontaine Posted January 6, 2011 Posted January 6, 2011 I think it's pretty hilarious that for years Sreesanth has been talking crap non stop to the point where he's been fined, warned and completely lost his cool and temper. Yet when Dhoni calmly says the absolute obvious that everyone knows to be true that Sree should be getting through his overs in a timely fashion people here are telling Dhoni to shut up? :hysterical: So let me get this straight? Sree constantly mouths off, abusing players personally both in domestic and international cricket then it's being patriotic and passionate? How exactly is it being passionate and patriotic when he completely unprovoked started swearing and abusing an Indian batsmen in a domestic game for which he was warned? Yet when Dhoni says something ONCE that is not only true but known to everyone around the world that his bowler should get through his overs quickly, Dhoni is an appeaser, he should shut up blah blah blah. Yeah that's pretty much the definition of being a hypocrite.
Homerus_Unus Posted January 6, 2011 Posted January 6, 2011 I think it's pretty hilarious that for years Sreesanth has been talking crap non stop to the point where he's been fined, warned and completely lost his cool and temper. Yet when Dhoni calmly says the absolute obvious that everyone knows to be true that Sree should be getting through his overs in a timely fashion people here are telling Dhoni to shut up? :hysterical: So let me get this straight? Sree constantly mouths off, abusing players personally both in domestic and international cricket then it's being patriotic and passionate? How exactly is it being passionate and patriotic when he completely unprovoked started swearing and abusing an Indian batsmen in a domestic game for which he was warned? Yet when Dhoni says something ONCE that is not only true but known to everyone around the world that his bowler should get through his overs quickly, Dhoni is an appeaser, he should shut up blah blah blah. Yeah that's pretty much the definition of being a hypocrite. Way to miss the point, Einstein. No one is saying Sree is absolutely right and Dhoni is absolutely wrong. All I, and a few others, are asking for is not to deal with this issue publicly and hang a juicy steak in front of the rabid media. A captain, among other things, needs to ensure to the outside world that everything in the dressing room is all fine and dandy, even when it actually is not. Ricky Ponting's teammates seemed to get that memo when they put their foot down and didn't give anything to the media after the Ponting-Dar fracas and our captain couldn't resist being a boy-scout. Enough said! And a word of advice: Refrain from using the "hysterical" smiley when you're swinging and missing almost every time. I don't see any reason for you to gloat at your ineptitude to grasp what's being said or posting a cogent response. You obviously seem to have picked a side in this issue and your response reeks of bias, whereas those castigating Dhoni for his handling of this issue, are keeping it unbiased.
panesarv Posted January 6, 2011 Posted January 6, 2011 It does SEEM that players make fun of him; during the incident of him v crowd at the boundary, instead of supporting Sreesanth, they were having a laugh.
asterix Posted January 6, 2011 Posted January 6, 2011 I think it's pretty hilarious that for years Sreesanth has been talking crap non stop to the point where he's been fined, warned and completely lost his cool and temper. Yet when Dhoni calmly says the absolute obvious that everyone knows to be true that Sree should be getting through his overs in a timely fashion people here are telling Dhoni to shut up? :hysterical: So let me get this straight? Sree constantly mouths off, abusing players personally both in domestic and international cricket then it's being patriotic and passionate? How exactly is it being passionate and patriotic when he completely unprovoked started swearing and abusing an Indian batsmen in a domestic game for which he was warned? Yet when Dhoni says something ONCE that is not only true but known to everyone around the world that his bowler should get through his overs quickly, Dhoni is an appeaser, he should shut up blah blah blah. Yeah that's pretty much the definition of being a hypocrite. So according to you ("for the benefit of the team, opposition, public, poor children of Africa, natural calamity victims etc."), Kumble was wrong in supporting Harbhajan after the Monkeygate and actually Kumble should'be publicly reprimanded him (onfield and in the post match interviews) for all his past and present ancitcs? Kumble should've LOLed at Bhajji (on field) when he complaind about crowd trouble and sledging by Aussie players? Kumble should've given Harbhajan a public dressing down for being a pest throughout? Mind you, Sreesanth has never been caught by customs, has never slapped a player, never racially taunted any player, not had to face any tribunal, not created a fiasco which could've affected a tour, was guilty of giving back to a certain non-bollywood actor/gentleman Andre Nel etc. etc..
Homerus_Unus Posted January 6, 2011 Posted January 6, 2011 It does SEEM that players make fun of him; during the incident of him v crowd at the boundary' date=' instead of supporting Sreesanth, they were having a laugh.[/quote'] If that's true, then shame on the lot of them.
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