Stop this hate against Bhaji

[jonas10]

Nothing wrong in having your opinion...no opinion is intrinsically right or wrong...as I have already explained it's validity changes in t,s,p,c. However, if you would like to explore the possibility that your perspective may be limited then many IC'Fers can help you. Lemme give you some facts.... "reviving of a dying art" - in our context would mean there weren't many practitioners of leg spin. Not many found it interesting enough to try and become a leggie. But if you have a different understanding of that phrase then please do let me know. Perhaps, that could be the source of our disagreement. In the white world, after Richie Benaud there weren't any leg spinners to talk great about. So in the diminished context of the white world leg spin was a dying art. So the white boyz, found revival of this art in their white boy...not brown, not yellow, not black. So, if your perspective is restricted to white boy perspective, then you are right. (see how the same opinion becomes valid as you change t,s,p,c?) However, if your perspective is that of a cricket fan who is not paralyzed by color of the bowler then you would realize leg spin bowling never really died to need a revival. Some of the ICF'ers here can add or modify the examples I state below. Also understand the meaning of "reviving of the art" as stated by me above and view it from that perspective. Now, per me, if an art form needs revival then it must have fizzled out or there was no talent coming up or ppl were not trying to bowl leg spin. I'll give you some international names and some domestic names who kept the art alive. Remember, our contention is the death/revival of the art not how many wickets or how many tests a leg spin bowler played. But yes we can judge these players at least on their quality/potential if you'd like to. I am starting with 1960s because that is when Richie Benaud, the last of the good white leggies operated. Of course there were other white leggies too like Ian Chappell but I guess you will understand the context is that of specialist leggies 1960's - India had this gentleman by name Subhash Gupte who was possibly our first bowler-only ATG. 1960's - 1970's - Later in that decade there was a gentleman by name Bhagwat Chandrashekar who comes from the southern part of my city. The guy could bowl, they said 1970's - There was this Paki gentleman by name Intikhab Alam. They say he could turn his arm around 1980's - Abdul Qadir from Pakistan. The guy's wizardry sunk England a few times, they say. 1980's - Laxman Sivaramakrishnan. They say the Buddha asked for his help to prepare against a plump white blond who came with a reputation in 1998 to India. LS bowled to the Buddha from around the wicket on the bowlers footmarks. My childhood hero, Kapil, even today maintains LS is the greatest talent he has seen who hasn't gone on to do greater things. But ueah they are anecdotes. However, what we do know is that LS demolished the white boyz from England 1980's - Then there was this guy from Rajasthan by name Narendra Hirwani who was decent enough to keep the art of leg spin alive. they say he foxed that great biffer Viv twice in the same Test. 1980's - Mushtaq Ahmed. Carbon copies don't get more original than the action of Mushy from Qadir. Mushy went on to trouble quite a few of your white boyz. I don't know what it would mean if not "inspiration" to copy a bowler's action ditto. O by the way, even the great Gavaskar copied Abdul Qadir's action when trying to bowl leg spin (at least in some movies). 1980's - M.V.Narasimha Rao from Hyderabad who was a domestic great 1990's - Then there was this bespectacled fellow by name Anil Kumble. They said he could get batsmen out. Maybe he did. 1990's - Anantha Padmanabhan. This Kumble fellow sez his drive to excel was because of the competition from Anantha Padmanabhan. Paddy, many in Kerala and other parts of India feel, was just born at the wrong time you know like the white boyz Warne-MacGill. Paddy spun the ball more, bowled a better googly, got better purchase than this Kumble fellow in the 90s. but this Kumble fellow grabbed his opportunity so well that it was a logical impossibility to drop him. The only way Paddy could make the Indian team was if India needed two leggies which the Indian selectors and team mgmt felt was not needed. Now, my dear, I hope you can come with a better explanation of what revival means to you. I have only given you few well known names. And not many with a perspective larger than that of just the white world, would think leg spin was a dying art. So if you want to understand things better then get out of this white world perspective and view the game as a whole. Choose different perspectives to understand their points but pronouncements like Warne revived a dying art come from an obviously narrow perspective. Upto you to understand this long post or not.

Bro...first of all i aint no Gora. Why must people in this forum bring race/region/zone etc into everything first we started on Bhajji now its onto Warne :giggle: My fav team is India my fav player of all time SRT of course. In fact i think the whole Don vs SRT arguement is played out because australians cant accept that an Indian is supreme in the sport they like to consider themselves dominant in. But you gotta give credit where credit is due and Shane Warne is the greatest spinner ever. All the spinners youve listed I've heard of and NONE of them holds a candle to Warne. But then again im on an online forum where Bhajji is > Murali and Warne so anything is possible. PS (I like Bhajji and he is currently India's best spinner so dont freak out) :hatsoff:

[jonas10]

More Warne for the haters!!! f3u0yUVzoSI

[Midfielder]

Shane is great and I am not taking any credit away but so is Kumble and Harbhajan. I will never put Shane down.

[jonas10]

Shane is great and I am not taking any credit away but so is Kumble and Harbhajan. I will never put Shane down.

I agree with the above comment. I'lll go one further Harbhajan is currently Indias best spinner...Dont make me find videos for you haters!

[Vijay.Sharma]

Bro...first of all i aint no Gora. Why must people in this forum bring race/region/zone etc into everything first we started on Bhajji now its onto Warne :giggle:

You brought the race thing in when you suggested Warne "revived" leg spin bowling. Quite clearly that was a gora-perspective and I just tried to explain it to you. Also, I never said you are a gora...I said you were sticking to a narrow gora-only perspective.

But you gotta give credit where credit is due and Shane Warne is the greatest spinner ever. All the spinners youve listed I've heard of and NONE of them holds a candle to Warne.

Even I have stated that in this thread itself. Warne is the greatest leggie, per me. But he ain't no reviver shiviver of leg spin bowling unless of course you are someone who believes the world perspective = gora perspective.

But then again im on an online forum where Bhajji is > Murali and Warne so anything is possible.

No we are not in a forum where Bhajji > Murali | Warne. One individual (or a few) may believe so. Does you believing Warne as the almighty reviver of leg spin bowling in the world makes this forum also a believer in that narrow, gora-only perspective theory?

[Cricket Tragic]

Since this thread has had everything, I suggest that we start posting pictures of trains from now onwards.

[urbestfriend]

^ That's a train from Gora's perspective..How white it looks ... Post some desi brown train dude.. Like this :two_thumbs_up:

[Vijay.Sharma]

^ LOL!

[Cricket Tragic]

[Sachin=GOD]

Since this thread has had everything, I suggest that we start posting pictures of trains from now onwards.

Dude, why did you bring another new topic . Now Vijay.Sharma & Miishragreat will write huge essays about trains :facepalm:

[Cricket Tragic]

[Vijay.Sharma]

Dude' date=' why did you bring another new topic . Now Vijay.Sharma & Miishragreat will write huge essays about trains :facepalm:[/quote']At least Bhajji toh bach gaya na

[Cricket Tragic]

Dude' date=' why did you bring another new topic . Now Vijay.Sharma & Miishragreat will write huge essays about trains :facepalm:[/quote'] :cantstop:

[Sachinism]

I think Bradman had to travel in a train like this to get around

[Midfielder]

I think lot of people want Bhajji to be under one of those trains.

[punjabi_khota]

I think lot of people want Bhajji to be under one of those trains.

:hysterical:

[Sachin=GOD]

I think lot of people want Bhajji to be under one of those trains.

After seeing some of your posts I bet some people on ICF want you under one of those trains :icflove:

[deepak_sach]

This Thread has reached 400 posts but still Bhajji has not reached 400 wickets.

[Sachin=GOD]

This Thread has reached 400 posts but still Bhajji has not reached 400 wickets.

Bhajji can't reach 400 wickets while a match is not going on.

[jonas10]

You brought the race thing in when you suggested Warne "revived" leg spin bowling. Quite clearly that was a gora-perspective and I just tried to explain it to you. Also, I never said you are a gora...I said you were sticking to a narrow gora-only perspective. Even I have stated that in this thread itself. Warne is the greatest leggie, per me. But he ain't no reviver shiviver of leg spin bowling unless of course you are someone who believes the world perspective = gora perspective. No we are not in a forum where Bhajji > Murali | Warne. One individual (or a few) may believe so. Does you believing Warne as the almighty reviver of leg spin bowling in the world makes this forum also a believer in that narrow, gora-only perspective theory?

Believing that warne revived leg spinning has nothing to do with being a gora. Just your race obsession has led to that. He could be charcoal Kala and with his skill you'd have to admit that his skill level has totally changed the game and leg spinning... I posted vids of Warnie bowling guys in test between their legs, massive turns etc :--D Can you show me something even similar? No....your response is "this is gora propaganda gora gora gora!!!" BTW im searching for a train :cantstop: