DRS technology expensive, unreliable - Niranjan Shah

[akshayxyz]

The fault lies with an incomplete and incorrect application of technology - when the deflection off the front pad is clearly visible, that line of impact should be chosen. Like any other technology, basic common sense should not be sidelined. ... ... ... That's the only valid argument in the entire article - and something which can be easily addressed by having a uniform regulation defined for the situation.

You have covered pretty much everything. Except for the cases where Hawkeye would have an edge over naked-eye. Cases where the ball would miss/hit the stumps/bails by inches or ball-diameter or ball-radius. In those cases human-eye just don't have sufficient precision to make the call. Whereas, if the ball has traveled reasonable distance before hitting the pads, then Hawk-eye's extrapolation is going to be more accurate than that from naked-eye+brain. Ironically credibility of the top umpires has accumulated over time by constant verification of their decisions using same set of technologies that people are reluctant to use in UDRS. One more point - who told these officials that Hotspot is better technology than Hawkeye. Hotspot is about finding point of impact, whereas Hawkeye is about extrapolating the path after the point of impact. Comparing the two is like apple-oranges comparison.

[saneindian]

Updates on the availability of the Hotspot camera Moments after the International Cricket Council (ICC) gave thumbs-up to Hot Spot technology, its inventor Warren Brennan said he would be able to supply the required cameras for India’s home series in October-November. Despite facing difficulties in shipping the militarily sensitive equipment to India, Brennan hoped to obtain permission to bring them to the country. “We brought the technology to India for the semifinals and final of the Champions League in 2009. The experience was rather difficult as we had problems getting the cameras to India. In fact, the main reason we pulled out of the World Cup finals was due to the problems of moving the cameras in and out of the subcontinent,” Brennan told DNA. “We hope that with the ICC and BCCI’s assistance, it will be much easier next time.” He said getting the cameras to all the countries is not easy. “Because the cameras are restricted military items, export to and from other countries is controlled by the Australian government. At present, our export license from the Australian government includes England, New Zealand, South Africa, UAE and India,” he said and added: “We need to apply to the government to have additional countries added to this list. Pakistan will be very difficult. Zimbabwe may also be a challenge, but the rest should be fine.” Brennan said his company has built new cameras and they will be unveiled during India-England series. “Naturally, (I am) very happy with the decision from ICC meeting. We’re very excited about taking the Hot Spot to as many places as we can. We have just finished building two new cameras (six in total now) that will be shipped to London next week for the start of the England- India series. These two new cameras will hopefully improve the Hot Spot significantly in regard to picking up fine edges. I will be present at Lord’s for the unveiling of these new cameras,” he said. Brennan said the technology is expensive but not as expensive as BCCI officials claim (board vice-president Niranjan Shah recently said the cost would add up to $60,000 per match). “The technology is indeed expensive primarily due to the fact that it is very high-end military hardware. Hopefully, we can command a bit of a discount now that DRS will include Hot Spot,” he said claiming the cost would come to about $10,000 per match day. Brennan, based in Australia, said the technology can be availed with the help of two cameras although some broadcasters prefer four cameras. “The standard Hot Spot configuration will most likely be two side-on cameras while broadcasters in England and Australia will probably prefer to use two side-on and two front-on cameras for a total of four per Test match,” he revealed. http://www.dnaindia.com/sport/report_shipping-hot-spot-cameras-to-the-subcontinent-was-not-easy_1559837 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So we have a total of 6 hot spot cameras in the world now. What happens when the 8 test playing nations are playing test matches simulatenously, i.e. 4 tests across the world. Who decides which two sides will not have hot spot cameras as a part of UDRS? Or Maybe, the Hotspot manufacturers will have some additional cameras ready by the time next test match is played after the English summer (post the champions league in early October).

[Chandan]

BCCI vice-president Niranjan Shah has criticised the Decision Review System (DRS) in its present form, saying it offers marginal gains for a technology that is exorbitant and not error-free. The Indian board's stand so far has centred on the perceived unreliability of the ball-tracking technology, but Shah has also questioned the economic feasibility of the system and the lack of competing technologies. "You have to look at the economics. Every board is not making money out of Test matches and ODIs. The system requires about $60,000 per match," Shah told DNA. "Last year, about 65 Tests and 170 ODIs were played around the world. Multiply those numbers with $60,000. It would be a staggering amount for one or two decisions in a match."http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/content/current/story/520736.html

“The technology is indeed expensive primarily due to the fact that it is very high-end military hardware. Hopefully' date= we can command a bit of a discount now that DRS will include Hot Spot,” he said claiming the cost would come to about $10,000 per match day. http://www.dnaindia.com/sport/report_shipping-hot-spot-cameras-to-the-subcontinent-was-not-easy_1559837 .

So hotspot software owner admits that it costs $10,000 a day which means $50,000 a match. this means Niranjan Shah was not quite off the mark here, as CI were claiming.

[Cricket Tragic]

In the CI article, Shah is quoted as saying 60k per day as well as 60k per test.

[yoda]

So hotspot software owner admits that it costs $10' date='000 a day which means $50,000 a match. this means Niranjan Shah was not quite off the mark here, as CI were claiming.[/quote'] CI and N. Shah were referring to cost of Hawk eye/tracking technology, not hot spot, from what I gather. Now the question for N. Shah is "How is 50k for hot spot justified when it doesn't even tell me if the ball is hitting the stumps or not, mainly in cases of LBW without a nick, which are the majority of the dodgy decisions?".

[cricketrulez]

CI and N. Shah were referring to cost of Hawk eye/tracking technology, not hot spot, from what I gather. How do you know? their statements were made before any compromise was reached and every indication is that they were referring to the total cost of a complete UDRS with HE and HS Now the question for N. Shah is "How is 50k for hot spot justified when it doesn't even tell me if the ball is hitting the stumps or not, mainly in cases of LBW without a nick, which are the majority of the dodgy decisions? The question for you is, how do you know any thing about HE's performance and reliability. Have you seen any validation data? LBW's have always been and will be a subjective decision.

[Cricket Tragic]

I don't think that even Niranjan Shah knows what he was talking about. Not worth debating.

[King]

The decision against Raina today brings this topic to fore. One decision changed the complexion of the game. I'm certain with UDRS (aided by hotspot) things would have been different for India. I'm so glad India has finally agreed to UDRS, it's bloody annoying to see the umpires alter the game although not by design but just by the same old human errors.

[nballa]

so it turns out i was right, it doesn't cost 60,000$ a match. well what do you know.

[cricketrulez]

so it turns out i was right' date=' it doesn't cost 60,000$ a match. well what do you know.[/quote'] HS alone is 10K per match day. HE cost hasn't been stated. HS uses 4 cameras and most of magic is the hardware. HE uses minimum of 6 cameras and and ll the magic soup is in the software. I don't see it being cheaper than HS. ICC number has been refuted immediately by HS owners statement. BCCI's number still hasn't been refuted..

[yoda]

HS alone is 10K per match day. HE cost hasn't been stated. HS uses 4 cameras and most of magic is the hardware. HE uses minimum of 6 cameras and and ll the magic soup is in the software. I don't see it being cheaper than HS. ICC number has been refuted immediately by HS owners statement. BCCI's number still hasn't been refuted..

So you are saying N. Shah was referring to HS when he said it costs 60k/match? So I guess you also believe that he was referring to HS when he said it barely takes correct decisions from 92 to 97% and that we are opposed to it. Wonder what do you think he is referring to here? :hmmm:

There are two companies that presently offer competing ball-tracking technologies, Hawk-Eye and Virtual Eye. Shah said more options were needed so that the technology could become affordable before it could be universally used. "I see some vested interests working here. Unless there are 10 different technologies and they become competitive and cheaper, we cannot adopt [the system]. A $1000 a day should be fine. Not $60,000 a day. That kind of money should go into the development of the game among the Associate members."

[cricketrulez]

So you are saying N. Shah was referring to HS when he said it costs 60k/match? So I guess you also believe that he was referring to HS when he said it barely takes correct decisions from 92 to 97% and that we are opposed to it. Wonder what do you think he is referring to here? :hmmm:

That was response about cost of UDRS. ICC claimed it would be $5K per day. It was immediately blown out of the water as, HS alone costs 10K per day. . BCCI/Niranjan shah/Nsrinivasan calim was UDRS total cost would be ~60K per day. This hasn't been refuted. Regarding accuracy, HS is there for all to see and can be verified to a great extent by HD slomo replays. No one has seen any accuracy information for HE. Just fancy graphics.

[cricketrulez]

ICC moots sponsors to fund revamped DRS http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci-icc/content/current/story/521363.html "There is the possibility that we could raise a sponsor to cover the cost of the DRS," ICC CEO, Haroon Lorgat, told ESPNcricinfo. T If it is only 25K per test why do you need a sponsor? boards who want DRS should fork over this measly amount. Unless the 25K per test is complete BS .......