Tiger80 Posted October 9, 2011 Posted October 9, 2011 dilhara hits 150-152 kmph regularly in the last Aus series.yeah he is rubbish no doubt about it.bt im talking about the pace here.cant remember srinath hitting something like 150 in a recent match though. people have different opinion on Srinath,last time I was discussing srinath someone was telling that Srinath was very quick in mid 1990s
podi wije Posted October 9, 2011 Posted October 9, 2011 people have different opinion on Srinath' date='last time I was discussing srinath someone was telling that Srinath was very quick in mid 1990s[/quote'] some people describes him as a good swing bowler.
ganeshran Posted October 9, 2011 Posted October 9, 2011 Fast bowling in India is not an athletic problem, its a systemic one. Bowlers are repeatedly told to concentrate n line and length to avoid getting hit on flat domestic pitches. When pace is not a selection criteria, its natural that bowlers adapt to the way that gets them easily selected That being said, we dont really score very high on fitness either. Our fielding abilities apart from a few youngsters are not upto the mark
podi wije Posted October 9, 2011 Posted October 9, 2011 i think Indians are two lazy.all the youngsters from India want be future tendulkars or shewags.infact they don't have a fast bowling Icon to follow.what they got is hell of a lot more batters with thousands of runs.that's good from a batting point of view.
ganeshran Posted October 9, 2011 Posted October 9, 2011 Just to show you a little more how absurd your claim is I'll cite the empirical evidence of Pakis and Blacks performing miserably in academics compared to Indians (a study of immigrant communities in UK). Are we to conclude that Indians are genetically superior to Blacks when it comes to intelligence? That should nail it :cantstop: :cantstop: People tend to make dispositional attributions when it comes to judging someone else. The moment it comes upon themselves, the attribution automatically becomes situational. Its a quite common cognitive bias.
Cricket_Fan Posted October 9, 2011 Posted October 9, 2011 Blacks dominating athletic sports is an open fact.There are some scientists who even tried to find the reasons that why Blacks dominate the sprint running' date='marathon etc You can search these articles on Google .Ever wondered [b']why we excelled in sports which require less stamina 1) Vishwanathan Anand Chess 2) Leandar paes and Bhupati failed in singles teniis which require lots of stamina but reached number one ranking in Doubles which require more skills than stamina 3)Geet sethi and other billiards champions 4) Golfers who plays in some world tournaments 5) Shooters Now tell me How many Indians plays in football clubs ,NBa rugby american football, sprint running etc Our national record in 100 metre racing is not even enough good to make us qualify in olympics Ever heard of Jimmy George, bro? Now watch the following videos and tell me he is athletic or not. mdrD7rssjZY p2Lr_ZZaz94&feature=related
Cricket_Fan Posted October 9, 2011 Posted October 9, 2011 Zaheer normally a sensible guy , probably making a point in context of a question, the only logical side to it is if you compare Windies greats Holding, Garner, Marshall, Ambrose, Walsh who were naturally gifted players, Very fluent rhythmic action , generating pace without much effort, avoiding a lot of injuries. If you just look at bowlers and countries with most injury prone players then it has to be England, maybe it is the brittle bone , lack of sun.Indians have good flexibilty, and ligaments, bones strength then their Caucasian counterparts but we being a poorer nation and less developed have some limitations.What we lack in general is fitness levels, more sports based culture, average person being smaller and in general not aggressive minded in general as say for example Aussies or Pakis. Also India being a big country people from Punjab, U P, dELHI SIDE, HAVE DIFFERENT TRAITS THEN PEOPLE FROM SOUTH.So that would be a mistake in generalizing the population. I'm sorry to break your bubble bro, but actually ppl from SOUTH are ahead in many physical sports like Athletics, Football, Volleyball,Basketball etc.
1983-2011 Posted October 9, 2011 Posted October 9, 2011 zaheer probably said that indian pitches are not suitable for fast bowling and TOI has changed it to indian bodies are not suitable for fast bowling
Serani Posted October 9, 2011 Posted October 9, 2011 why don't you keep your surfeit abhorrence thoughts to yourself' date= this post refers to fast bowling, not athleticism. Bowling fast is the discipline which needs most athleticism and physical strength in cricket.
Tiger80 Posted October 9, 2011 Posted October 9, 2011 None of your point is relevant in the slightest. My original point was that given the level of stamina required in fast bowling, "Indian bodies" do not suffer from ANY limitations whatsoever as Zaheer naively claims. What Zaheer is saying is from his personal experiance ,he has probably met 100s of fast bowlers from India and outside India ,he must have seen some body limitations O/W why a person who champion sportsman will claim that his own country has suffer from Physical limitation.On the other hand you just quoted that your experiance that you have seen so many fittest bodies in kolkatta football club.Tell me whose words have more value? a champion fast bowler or just a commentator on forum.. Then you ventured into genetics of blacks (a scientific claim) and you're asking me to believe your thoroughly unscientific empirical data. Do you have even the slightest of idea about causation and correlation? If you're going to talk about genetics then do it by referring a scientific study that a) makes a universal claim and b) the claim is about causation and not merely correlation. There are some scientists who claim this, but because race is sensitive issue its very difficult for all scientists to research on this factor http://www.jonentine.com/reviews/montreal_gaz_recon.htm The evidence is overwhelming. In the sport in which the playing field is most level - running - black male athletes now hold every world record from the 100 metres through the marathon. Cultural accident? A mere coincidence of opportunity? Cultural differences play a role, but the evidence Entine assembles is overwhelming: at the sports in which they excel, blacks are superior in part because they are both aerobically and anaerobically superior, because they have more fast-twitch muscle fibre and quicker reactions of the patellar tendon, because they have less body fat and greater bone density. Just to show you a little more how absurd your claim is I'll cite the empirical evidence of Pakis and Blacks performing miserably in academics compared to Indians (a study of immigrant communities in UK). Are we to conclude that Indians are genetically superior to Blacks when it comes to intelligence? Who knows may be Indians have better IQ than them or something cultural makes Indians more good at education.
Tiger80 Posted October 9, 2011 Posted October 9, 2011 Ever heard of Jimmy George, bro? Now watch the following videos and tell me he is athletic or not. mdrD7rssjZY p2Lr_ZZaz94&feature=related Brother For an average Indian like me ,if I watch Indian national games I will find all athletes of world class level ,but at international level the difference is so small that you may not even be good enough to qualify so there is no way I can judge just by watching few videos who is athlete and who is not
Tiger80 Posted October 9, 2011 Posted October 9, 2011 zaheer probably said that indian pitches are not suitable for fast bowling and TOI has changed it to indian bodies are not suitable for fast bowling No NDTV is also saying the same http://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/news/item/179496-indian-bodies-not-designed-to-bowl-fast-zaheer-khan Indian bodies not designed to bowl fast: Zaheer Khan
Cricket_Fan Posted October 9, 2011 Posted October 9, 2011 Brother For an average Indian like me ,if I watch Indian national games I will find all athletes of world class level ,but at international level the difference is so small that you may not even be good enough to qualify so there is no way I can judge just by watching few videos who is athlete and who is not For your kind information, Jimmy George played in Italian professional league( which is the highest level in professional volleyball similar to NBA in basketball!) and he was widely regarded as one of the ten best attackers in the world!. Now volleyball is a massively competitive sport played in more than 200 nations across the world and to be considered as one of the best ten attackers in the world, this man must be bloody good and he was. Now, in your second statement you are contradicting with yourself. You have said Indians have performed well only in sports which require less stamina and when I showed you with one example[i have got many in my kitty! :) ], you are saying you cant judge from a few vidoes bcoz you are an average Indian. I am sorry, that sounds like an average 'Padosi' behavior' to me :--D
Tiger80 Posted October 9, 2011 Posted October 9, 2011 For your kind information' date=' Jimmy George played in [b']Italian professional league( which is the highest level in professional volleyball similar to NBA in basketball!) and he was widely regarded as one of the ten best attackers in the world!. Now volleyball is a massively competitive sport played in more than 200 nations across the world and to be considered as one of the best ten attackers in the world, this man must be bloody good and he was. Now, in your second statement you are contradicting with yourself. You have said Indians have performed well only in sports which require less stamina and when I showed you with one example[i have got many in my kitty! :) ], you are saying you cant judge from a few vidoes bcoz you are an average Indian. I am sorry, that sounds like an average 'Padosi' behavior' to me :--D O.K Jimmy george could had been very good Volleyball player ,but just on the basis of one Jimmy george can we say we are good in Athletic sports,there are always exceptions As far Padosi tag is concerned this is the phobia of most of Icfers here wher someone does not toe the line what others are saying then he is Padosi
ganeshran Posted October 9, 2011 Posted October 9, 2011 Who knows may be Indians have better IQ than them or something cultural makes Indians more good at education. You are saying two different things here. Indians have better IQ than Pakistanis and Blacks - This is a dispositional statement which implies Indians are genetically superior in intelligence to Pakistanis and black people. This is analogus to the statement that "Indian bodies are not suited to fast bowling", implying that the problem lies solely with the individual himself Something cultural makes Indians better at education - This is a situational statement which implies that Indians doing better in education has something to do with external factors, and not the individual himself, which could be upbringing, community, culture etc. The analogy to the fast bowling statement could be a systemic problem where the system employed to groom fast bowlers is at fault.
Serani Posted October 9, 2011 Posted October 9, 2011 Volleyball is not a massively competitive sport.
Tiger80 Posted October 9, 2011 Posted October 9, 2011 You are saying two different things here. Indians have better IQ than Pakistanis and Blacks - This is a dispositional statement which implies Indians are genetically superior in intelligence to Pakistanis and black people. This is analogus to the statement that "Indian bodies are not suited to fast bowling", implying that the problem lies solely with the individual himself Something cultural makes Indians better at education - This is a situational statement which implies that Indians doing better in education has something to do with external factors, and not the individual himself, which could be upbringing, community, culture etc. The analogy to the fast bowling statement could be a systemic problem where the system employed to groom fast bowlers is at fault. What I am saying who knows,May be ,means unless someone do proper research on this subject then only one can reach the conclusion. As far fast bowling is concerned we all know we are The world power in cricket with MRF pace academy ,foreign coaches coming teaching players yet in the 64 years we have only produced two world class fast bowlers Srinath and Zaheer
Tiger80 Posted October 9, 2011 Posted October 9, 2011 Volleyball is not a massively competitive sport. What do you mean by this .Do you want to say that People don't put enough effort in volleyball or it is not a spectator friendly sport
Serani Posted October 9, 2011 Posted October 9, 2011 Its a minor world sport, played by a handful of people, pointing to some Indian volleyball player as some kind of great athlete is clutching at straws.
achilles Posted October 9, 2011 Posted October 9, 2011 Zaheer is just being a typical Indian. Rather than being candid and admitting that Indian bowlers lack the drive to sustain pace, he seems to be defending the Indian pacers, who think it is smart to turn into a moped, in the name of "adjusting to international cricket". And I don't believe that Fast bowling doesn't come to us naturally. The problem is - Hard work doesn't come to Indians naturally.
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