Where are ha8ers now?

[Prudent]

Even a broken clock is right twice a day :wink_smile:

[yoda]

There will always be imitators, yoda.

Afridi would be an imitator. Not a guy with 15k runs at ~45 average and 85 SR and 40 tons over 330+ games including numerous spectacular knocks of his own. I would call him a "worthy successor". :wink_smile:

[The Outsider]

Expectations are different for different people. nothing to do with vilification or venting out or lack of cricketing logic.

In the context of one game, a knock is either excellent, very good, good, fair, poor, or terrible. It should not matter who is playing it unless you happen to bother more about the messenger than the message.

[yoda]

In the context of one game' date=' a knock is either excellent, very good, good, fair, poor, or terrible. It should not matter who is playing it unless you happen to bother more about the messenger than the message.[/quote'] Add the talent level of the player to the context and you will get the real message.

[The Outsider]

Add the talent level of the player to the context and you will get the real message.

Either a 140 ball 99 strengthens a team's cause, weakens it, or leaves it unaffected. It is independent of the talent level of the player. Moreover, you are the one averse to adding the talent level of the bowlers being faced into the equation.

[yoda]

Either a 140 ball 99 strengthens a team's cause' date=' weakens it, or leaves it unaffected. It is independent of the talent level of the player.[/quote'] that's not the point of contention. if you perform below par you are subject to criticism. and par is different for each player. there is only a limited total talent in the team. if your top talent plays below par, it affects overall performance more than if a lesser talent plays below his own par (or rather at his own par).

[The Outsider]

that's not the point of contention. if you perform below par you are subject to criticism. and par is different for each player. there is only a limited total talent in the team.

And do the opposition and conditions play a part in determining the par?

[King Tendulkar]

No wonder you always praise Pathan yoda when he takes the odd wicket. As par is different for diff players. If only others could be judged by the crapthan par then they would all be getting praise from you

[yoda]

And do the opposition and conditions play a part in determining the par?

yes. SR for rest of the team (excluding extras) btw was 89.

[yoda]

No wonder you always praise Pathan yoda when he takes the odd wicket.

when was that? for the record, i have maintained that: a) pathan has been a perennial minnow basher in tests barring JLD 2004 in Pak. b) was turning out to be a great allrounder under the chappell scheme of things during our mega winning streak. he started regressing in bowling, was moved up and down the order and is now a destroyed ODI player.

[beetle]

Even a broken clock is right twice a day :wink_smile:

Wise words:wink_smile:

[yoda]

Even a broken clock is right twice a day :wink_smile:

That would apply to a Ganguly thread. :angel_smile:

[The Outsider]

yes. SR for rest of the team (excluding extras) btw was 89.

It was 83 actually. How many wickets did the rest of team lose put together? It's a well acknowledged fact chances of losing wickets is higher when you up the run rate, agree? How many overs of Ntini did the rest of the team put together face? It's a well acknowledged fact that SR is going to be lower against better bowlers, agree? What was the rest of the team's average? Say, Tendulkar had scored at 100(since he is more talented) compared to 89 at an average of 40(compared to the rest of the team's average of 18) would that have been satisfactory and what final score we would have had?

[yoda]

It was 83 actually. How many overs of Ntini did the rest of the team put together face? It's a well acknowledged fact that SR is going to be lower against better bowlers, agree?

Here comes Vernon Philander....thats a cool name. 19.1 Philander to Tendulkar, no run, good length, a good place to begin first-up, Tendulkar comes forward and defends 19.2 Philander to Tendulkar, no run, short and wide, he cuts but mistimes it into the ground just outside off stump 19.3 Philander to Tendulkar, no run, good length, very close to off stump, seaming in and Tendulkar is a good judge of which ball to leave 19.4 Philander to Tendulkar, no run, back of a length, with width on offer, and Tendulkar cuts hard but de Villiers is sharp in the point region 19.5 Philander to Tendulkar, no run, back of a length outside off stump, just staying low enough to beat Tendulkar, who takes a hand off the bat 19.6 Philander to Tendulkar, no run, back of a length closer to the stumps, he gets back and pushes to cover A maiden over for Philander. Hmm, maiden and Philander in the same sentence.

[The Outsider]

37.1 Philander to Dravid, FOUR, gets into position and pulls a long-hop just over midwicket, time to get the groove on! 37.2 Philander to Dravid, 1 run, well bowled, yorker on off stump, flicked into midwicket for one 37.3 Philander to Tendulkar, FOUR, short and wide, he rocks back and places the cut in the gap in front of point 37.4 Philander to Tendulkar, 1 run, slower ball, almost a yorker, nudged to mid-on 37.5 Philander to Dravid, 1 run, overpitched and he drives past mid-off for one, couldve run two there 37.6 Philander to Tendulkar, FOUR, nice shot! Backs away, exposes the stumps, and drives a low full toss through the covers

[The Outsider]

And you really don't think a bowler you are facing for the first time in your life deserves no circumsception, specially when your team is in a spot?

[yoda]

8.1 Hall to Dravid, 2 runs, a bit of room, he makes room and cuts it out to Nel at third man 38.2 Hall to Dravid, FOUR, good hit, hammering a half-volley in the air down to long-off 38.3 Hall to Dravid, 1 run, sits up off a short length, he gets up on the toes and keeps it down to short third man 38.4 Hall to Tendulkar, no run, short delivery on top of leg stump, Tendulkar walks across the stumps and tries to pull but misses 38.5 Hall to Tendulkar, no run, now he backs away to leg and tries to hammer it through the off side but the ball moves in and he's beaten on the cut, good bounce there 38.6 Hall to Tendulkar, no run, half-volley outside off stump, he steps aside and drives but straight to mid-off, if he hadnt moved outside his crease he could have taken toll of that delivery

[yoda]

And you really don't think a bowler you are facing for the first time in your life deserves no circumsception' date=' specially when your team is in a spot?[/quote'] team in a spot?

[The Outsider]

And I'm surprised you don't know that Hall is one of the best bowlers at the death in ODIs. Care to point out the selfishness for the century in the above as well?

[The Outsider]

team in a spot?

60 odd for 2 in 19 overs with all PPs gone is not a spot?