nballa Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 win 5 or 6 sessions in 3 test matches that's a nice stat. maybe we should start using that more often on these forums because complete match wins are becoming something of a rarity. Link to comment
NeutralCat Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 We the Indian team would like to say sorry to the nation, we have let everyone down and we as a team are all going to retire and concentrate on the IPL, we need to be fit and fresh for the IPL and we don't really care about Test cricket or any of the suckers that follow the Indian team, we only want to fill our pockets with as much $$$ as we can, so here's the middle finger to all of you. Lots of love, From Captain Cool and the boys. Link to comment
Old guy Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 we played fairly .. i blame the youngsters... yadav,kohli for not getting 10 wickets per inning and for not scoring triple hundreds they are not ready we need to call seniors like ganguly back and more ftb's like raina,yuvraj in team thank you for support :P Link to comment
CoverDrive Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Bayyzz Played Well!!! Link to comment
rkt.india Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Adelaide Test Pre match and Selection discussion thread I know a man who was once ravaged by a vicious depression. His doctors tried it all. Tweaked the dosage of his medication. Attempted various combinations of mood stabilizers and anti-depressants. Sent him off for therapy. Offered counseling. But to no avail. Left with no alternative, they advised a radical step: Electroconvulsive therapy. In common parlance we know this as ECTs. To the uninitiated, that is just a fancy medical term for 'shock treatment'. The idea is to pass electric currents through the brain, deliberately triggering a brief seizure. The intention is to cause changes in brain chemistry that can immediately reverse symptoms of the illness. It often works when other treatments are unsuccessful. In this man's case it didn't really, but that is beside the point. For the Indian cricket team, and in particular it's much feted batting line-up, Adelaide is the ideal setting for Electroconvulsive therapy. The time for cautious medication is over. Much like the sick man I knew, Indian Test cricket is writhing in agony. Mild doses of medication will provide no relief. Not any longer. Shock the core of this team and hope for the best. Frankly, there isn't much to lose. It can not get much worse. It is amusing that the argument for drastic changes still needs to be made. Here are the bare facts. This Indian team hasn't just been beaten in seven consecutive overseas Tests, it has been decimated. Not one of these Test matches has been competitive. Four have been lost by an innings. One by over 300 runs. One by nearly 200 runs. One by over 100 runs. Only two have gone into the fifth day. The last defeat came in under two and a half days. For a team that started this dismal decline as the top ranked Test nation in the world, the ruins are staggering. Perhaps the only other national sports teams that enjoy the same passionate and wide-spread support as the Indian cricket team are South American football teams. How many Brazilian superstars would keep their spot on the starting line-up if they were thrashed in seven straight games? Over this period of thrashings, the men who have been on India duty have a permanent place in the highest echelons of our game. But a spot in the history books and one in the playing XI aren't joined at the hip. Reputation and performances in the past provide the guarantee of a long rope. But even the longest of ropes run out. However, every time a legend's spot comes up for debate, his glory days become a convenient stick to beat the doubters with. "You don't just discard a proven performer on the back of a few poor innings," goes the argument. "And who are his replacements?" they snigger. Since the England tour these are the averages of India's top guns in overseas Tests: Sehwag: 15.90. Gambhir: 20.50. Dravid: 52.42. Tendulkar: 37.29. Laxman: 20.29. Dhoni: 26.83. Yet to question any of their spots is sacrilege. Alternatives on offer from the 17-man squad chosen for the tour are being cast aside with disdain. The message to Ajinkya Rahane and Rohit Sharma is this: You were really on the plane to make up the numbers. No matter how woeful the senior pros get, their positions remain untouched. No matter how good your first-class records might be or how obvious your talent is, you are the designated bench-warmers. Only when a permanent resident makes way of his own volition will a spot open up. Till then wait, watch and twiddle those thumbs. And oh yes, have a net. The flag-bearers of status quo also point at the opposition camp. "Look", they argue, "Australia persisted with Ponting and Hussey and the runs came. Class, you see, is permanent. Form is only temporary." But Team sport is unique animal, especially Test cricket. On occasions, the individual rides on the collective. And on others the collective burdens an individual. So, while Australia have floundered in recent months, they haven't imploded in the manner India have. Michael Clarke started the series against India having won one in Sri Lanka, drawn one in South Africa and drawn another against New Zealand on his watch as captain. Australia's results were patchy, but they weren't consistently embarrassing. Yes, they were bowled out for 47 in Cape Town but rebounded with victory in Johannesburg. Yes, they were stunned in Hobart but had already won in Brisbane. Australia gambled on Ponting and Hussey because while their ship was wobbling, it wasn't sinking. India have sunk to the lowest depth imaginable, yet entrust the same men responsible for this fate to hoist them back to the surface. In Adelaide, India must field a team devoid of emotion or misplaced hope. It must cull brutally and front up with clarity of vision. India must prepare to lose but with an eye to finding clues to its future as a worthy Test playing nation. For me this XI should play in batting order: Gautam Gambhir, Ajinkya Rahane, Rohit Sharma, Sachin Tendulkar, Virender Sehwag, Virat Kohli, Wriddhiman Saha, R Ashwin, Zaheer Khan, Umesh Yadav and Abhimanyu Mithun. Laxman must sit out simply because the wait for the magic of old to flow again from his bat can't be endless. Dravid must make way because since his first innings half-century in Melbourne he has been feeble and unsure. England is now a pleasant yet distant memory as six innings have delivered all of 168 runs in Australia. And his stumps have been shattered in five of these six innings. Let Rohit have a crack at three and show us if there's substance to the hype that surrounds him. Rahane was picked as the spare opener for the tour and his time to confront the new ball is now. A best opening stand of 24 in six innings won't take too much to better. And failure won't be much worse. Tendulkar's spot is not in question not purely on reputation but because both in Melbourne and Sydney he played accomplished innings. And is India's highest run-getter on the tour so far. Even to the untrained eye Sehwag's discomfort against the new ball is blatantly obvious. Perhaps a return to the middle order will be a new lease of life. Indian cricket owes him a debt of gratitude for his willingness to open the innings although his formative years in the game were spent in the middle order. That he is among the greatest opening batsmen of all time is an incredible story in itself. Virat Kohli must stay at six, because it is here that he found his feet in Perth. And top-scored in both innings. Test cricket is tough enough and the comfort zone of a settled spot is vital. Ishant Sharma must make way because four wickets at 81.00 are simply unacceptable for a front-line new ball bowler. Vinay Kumar provided little spark in Perth, perhaps Abhimanyu Mithun has more. Perhaps not. But then again till we see it, we won't know. Bottom line is this: Adelaide could be the end. Or it could be a fresh start. In either case the scoreline could well be 8-0. Here is a monumental crisis in the history of Indian Test cricket. Submit meekly and suffer its consequences. Man up, and who knows there might be a sapling of hope planted. ECTs don't always work. But hey, there is no harm trying when all else has failed. Seven straight times. http://ibnlive.in.com/blogs/gauravkalra/260/63091/in-adelaide-shock-it-up-and-shake-it-up.html Link to comment
b555 Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 mine would be this - Thanks to allah we won the game. I did not knw that jack ul lah was playing in the team at all but when rest of the team collapsed and he came to the rescue along with me, thanks to allah we won it.. insha allah the boys play well next time and also insha allah the other team lets me score the next time too.. Link to comment
saneindian Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Ishant should be dropped Vinay Kumar should be dropped VVS should be rested Rohit should be given his debut Play both Ojha and Ashwin unless its a green track Let Kohli bat at number 5 Glad that MSD is not going to be there, gives us a chance to see how good Saha is. But given that Sehwag as a captain may not like to drop too many players, I will not be surprised to see us fielding the same team minus Vinay Kumar with Ashwin coming in his place. Link to comment
rkt.india Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Ishant should be dropped Vinay Kumar should be dropped VVS should be rested Rohit should be given his debut Play both Ojha and Ashwin unless its a green track Let Kohli bat at number 5 Glad that MSD is not going to be there, gives us a chance to see how good Saha is. But given that Sehwag as a captain may not like to drop too many players, I will not be surprised to see us fielding the same team minus Vinay Kumar with Ashwin coming in his place. I am sure Adelaide is going to be a green track. They wont give a complete flat deck there too. Link to comment
NeutralCat Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 This is what I want to see happen: Out: VVS, Dravid, Dhoni, Shewag, Ishant, Vinay Fast Kumar In: Saha, Rohit, Oja, Ashwin, Rahane, Myself, and ant other ICF. Should it happen? Yes...........Will it happen? A big FAT no. Indian cricket if it's broken don't fix it. Link to comment
DhoniAdorer Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 I guess at the risk of sounding hopelessly pharisaical, I still think its our media hype gets to the sickening height that I can't take anymore. This is a stark reality that no impartial cricketing fans can choose to ignore. Remember, just after when Dhoni won us T20 world cup, our media engaged in grotesque gloating to obsequious boot-licking of our cricketing heroes. Then, why do you throw them under the bus when they don't perform in 1 or 2 series? Give them some space and don't be a big brother to say who should wear jersey for the next test or not. Least I can say is I read an article on Kohli two days back that compared his batting to Dan's earlier year and questioned their readers whether new Dan (Bradman) is on the making? C'mon gimme a break! I know our media aint playing but their sycophancy, most often not, is crippling our cricketers ability to think beyond what these outlets thoughts for them. They are by victims playing to the tunes of these corpulent suckers. That's why I'm mad at media. Link to comment
DhoniAdorer Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 I sometimes wonder where do fans like the OP actually come up with all these conjectures yet fails to see the core problem. I understand that we failed as a unit but I'm saying who is to blame more for our overseas defeats. Link to comment
Old guy Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 This is what I want to see happen: Out: VVS, Dravid, Dhoni, Shewag, Ishant, Vinay Fast Kumar In: Saha, Rohit, Oja, Ashwin, Rahane, Myself, and ant other ICF. Should it happen? Yes...........Will it happen? A big FAT no. Indian cricket if it's broken don't fix it. :cantstop: i dont think we are good enough to replace vinay phaast kumar.. that guy makes other team lose sleep!! such is his fearful run up gonna be mom in adelaide! :--D Link to comment
DhoniAdorer Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Please share 10 examples first. Did they tell Weenie Kumar that he bowls at 150k because of which he ran in like Shoaib Akhtar and bowled at the speed of Geoff Boycott's grandmom eventually leading to his lacklustre performance? Something of that sort? ha ha ha .. No, not weenie kumar but look at what they said about our Irfan.. if you can find the archives of IE, they portrayed Irfan as the next Akram, and eulogized to the level of Sobers. Also, while on the subject, don't forget to look at what they said Munaf phaaace at the start of his career Link to comment
DhoniAdorer Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Not crude at all.. It is just a matter of time before someone at MIT/Hvd plagiarizes your master piece and goes on to win the Nobel prize. I agree that was a good analogy.. Remembers, there are plus size outfit stores in UK have their mirrors adulterated to the point that 22" looks like 14" at the store mirrors. So, what's the use of the mirror which does n't reflect the cruel reality? I'll throw it away or break it unless I'm the shop owners... Link to comment
Sarkar Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Vinay kumar is the new Jadeja of our team. Link to comment
Sundar88 Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 The media has been around forever and the ability to handle that and fan pressure is mandatory for anyone who plays for the world's most populous test playing nation. There was a lot of pressure after we lost the opening match of the 2003 world cup but we came back well and made the finals, similarly the team was down and out after the 2007 world cup but we managed to win the world T20 that year. I don't think media pressure would affect performance to this extent, especially in Test Cricket given how well we do in it in the subcontinent. There were many injuries during the England tour and we were just coming off a hard fought world cup triumph but this time in Australia, we had an almost full-strength squad and were much better prepared after the England debacle. Yet we're losing in a similar fashion so it's either that our team ran out of fuel after the world cup win and have lost the hunger to compete and/or our seniors are too old to play at this level now and our youngsters lack the ability to play in such conditions. I think it's a combination of these two factors. Link to comment
DhoniAdorer Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Rule number 1. Don't take anything the papers say seriously. Good or bad. It should be scribed at our dressing room what Dhoni said 'its important that you don't play for the crowd, but for your country". I guess crowd is kind of misnomer but he actually meant our 'press' .. Link to comment
NeutralCat Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Team India goes shopping Here we go India at its best....Off the cricket field, humiliated in the last 7 test matches, but they have time to go shopping and having a good time. Compare this to the Aussie team 3 - 0 up and still practicing hard and no time to go shopping. http://sports.ndtv.com/ind-aus-2011/news/item/184203-team-india-goes-shopping-laxman-prefers-to-practise?pfrom=home-topstories :((:(( Link to comment
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