England qualification tightened

[bulbul]

Ireland will in for more trouble :hmmm:

As so often, ECB regulations are not as simple as they first appear. There is a rider in the case of non ICC full-member countries, where qualification can still be reduced to four years at the ECB's discretion. Cricket Ireland will be particularly disappointed by that, with its players now potentially more vulnerable to approaches than players in full-member countries

The new rules do not apply to women cricketers. The key provisions are as follows: (i) All players who are already qualified for England will remain so - provided they continue to meet the existing regulations. (ii) All players who begin residence in England or Wales before their 18th birthday will need to complete a residence period of four consecutive years. (iii) Players who begin residence in England or Wales after their 18th birthday will need to complete a residence period of seven consecutive years.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/story/563328.html?CMP=outlook_news

[Crookbond]

Good news for cricket fans. We want to see England not a mixture of England, South Africa, Ireland and Scotland playing.

[Prakat]

^ you got that wrong. This makes it easier for England to poach Irish players because they only have to show residency of four years and not seven years as is the case for ICC full-member countries. This is why the report mentions that "Cricket Ireland will be particularly disappointed". The change was expressly made with an eye on players like O'Brian.

[Crookbond]

Pravin, It's more difficult now. Earlier it was just 4 years flat, as stipulated by the ICC. Currently, it's a residency of 4 years before you are 18 years of age or a residency of 7 years after you are 18 years of age. IMHO, this new regulation has made it difficult for late groomers and we have seen them in plenty. If these new rules were applicable earlier - Pietersen, Kieswetter and Morgan would have to wait 3 years more to debut for England. Trott is an exception as he himself got a chance pretty late around 2009. As the article says -

The tighter regulations aim to put more emphasis on England players being developed through the England system, although overseas players settling in England before their 18th birthday will still only need to complete a residential qualification of four years.

More difficult if you move to England after 18 years and hence, "tightened".

[Spiderguy252]

Cue England slipping down the rankings back to #5 or #6, their rightful place where they usually belong. :two_thumbs_up:

[cameron_black]

rankin and porterfield have publicly expressed their desire to play for england. now it's a tad difficult.

[Crookbond]

Dockrell ?

[jairamesh]

The white Saffers will now have to find some ancestary entwined in New Zealand :hehe:

[Prakat]

Pravin, It's more difficult now. Earlier it was just 4 years flat, as stipulated by the ICC. Currently, it's a residency of 4 years before you are 18 years of age or a residency of 7 years after you are 18 years of age. IMHO, this new regulation has made it difficult for late groomers and we have seen them in plenty. If these new rules were applicable earlier - Pietersen, Kieswetter and Morgan would have to wait 3 years more to debut for England. Trott is an exception as he himself got a chance pretty late around 2009. As the article says - More difficult if you move to England after 18 years and hence, "tightened".

Not really. Read the bolded part in OP. Also, if it is the way you say, why is Cricket Ireland disappointed? Four years is an ICC stipulation and ECB has no way around it. ECB has made it easy for Irish players to move to England play county for four years and be in the reckoning for the test team. Cricket Ireland on the other hand has some rules that once you play for England you can't get a CI contract, so its a one way one time move.

[cameron_black]

The white Saffers will now have to find some ancestary entwined in New Zealand :hehe:

neil wagner is leading the way already. http://www.espncricinfo.com/newzealand/content/player/233713.html

[Crookbond]

Not really. Read the bolded part in OP. Also' date=' if it is the way you say, why is Cricket Ireland disappointed? Four years is an ICC stipulation and ECB has no way around it. [b']ECB has made it easy for Irish players to move to England play county for four years and be in the reckoning for the test team. Cricket Ireland on the other hand has some rules that once you play for England you can't get a CI contract, so its a one way one time move.

The four year stipulation existed earlier too but for full ICC member countries this has increased to 7 years. As this clause extends only to full member ICC countries, the OP thinks CI will be disappointed. I don't see it that way. IMO, CI are exactly where they were even before these changes in rules. Also, a player can return to his country of birth just after 4 years as the case of Ed Joyce suggests.

[Crookbond]

neil wagner is leading the way already. http://www.espncricinfo.com/newzealand/content/player/233713.html

Note - He is qualified for NZ not England.

[cameron_black]

Note - He is qualified for NZ not England.

yeah i know. that's what i was saying too.

[bulbul]

The four year stipulation existed earlier too but for full ICC member countries this has increased to 7 years. As this clause extends only to full member ICC countries, the OP thinks CI will be disappointed. I don't see it that way. IMO, CI are exactly where they were even before these changes in rules. Also, a player can return to his country of birth just after 4 years as the case of Ed Joyce suggests.

the issue is now other countries players find very difficult to enter england team...so that allow more opportunities to good players from asociate nations compre to say SA....

[Prakat]

The four year stipulation existed earlier too but for full ICC member countries this has increased to 7 years. As this clause extends only to full member ICC countries, the OP thinks CI will be disappointed. I don't see it that way. IMO, CI are exactly where they were even before these changes in rules. Also, a player can return to his country of birth just after 4 years as the case of Ed Joyce suggests.

Of course he can return to the country. What does all this have to do with immigration control? What worries CI is that they are left out of the 7 year category hence their players will be itching to make a move. And like dddd points out they now have less competition from sa players for English test spots. Ecb works hard within the icc to keep Ireland out of tests (cf: Bangladesh).

[Crookbond]

That's an interesting way to look at it. Never thought about it that way.

[Prakat]

^ that's why I was surprised you didn't pick up on that. :D

[Crookbond]

Now, we know how the British ruled various parts of the world for prolonged periods. Mo Fos!