seedhi Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 I am. He is a param ass*** who we have been tolerating since early 80s for some unknown reason. During the 80s when Congress couldnt win a single seat in West Bengal, apart from Ghani Khan Chowdhary from Malda, Pranab Mukherjee not only kept getting nominated to Congress but also occupied some key positions for some unknown reason. He is the Kim Kardashian of Indian politics.This is the Old Bengali phenomenon in Indian politics. If you are an old enough Bengali politician, you will automatically be respected and revered no matter how badly you screwed up in the past. Jyoti Basu and many oldie communists benefited from this and now its Pranab Mukherjee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Even if you are against Pranab babu becoming President' date=' accept the fact that atleast he's a better candidate than Patil Bai...[/quote'] Thats like saying Avinash Wadhawan was a much better actor than Kishen Kumar :(( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asterix Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Thats like saying Avinash Wadhawan was a much better actor than Kishen Kumar :(( :cantstop: :(( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seedhi Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Trust me' date=' BJP will not be able to form a govt. BJP depends on too many regional parties. doesn't has pan-India reach....[/quote']Exactly, BJP is anyway unlikely to form the government, so there is no real harm in projecting Modi as candidate. It will introduce a lot of uncertainty which creates new possibilities, like a big gamble which can crush the BJP or propel it to power. If Congress is the single largest party it will *easily* form the govt. The BJP needs to get around 50% more seats than Congress to form any govt, and in fact that should be its goal - a significant drubbing for Congress party to leave it in no position to form a govt even if BJP lacks pre-poll allies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asterix Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 ^ what's this urgent need to project Modi as PM? This could even lead to divisions in BJP itself. Don't forget RSS & VHP factors. They' their own agendas. Indian public doesn't gives much opportunities to Non-Comgress alliance to form a govt. of whatever limited chance BJP has, it should'nt prop up NaMo in national level. That'll give immense opportunities & possibilities to Congress even if it doesn't fares well in the elections... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asterix Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 I'm just hoping for a non-congress govt at the centre which effectively uses CBI against Congress, Mulayams, Mayawati, Laloo, Pawar, Dixit etc. and see how it goes... Effective use of CBI only helps in governing India, now a days...Momota Di had no CBI cases, hence all these "policy paralysis"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seedhi Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 ^ what's this urgent need to project Modi as PM? This could even lead to divisions in BJP itself. Don't forget RSS & VHP factors. They' their own agendas.Actually, given that Modi has overwhelming support among the BJP cadre, at the very least his projection will galvanize the party. And who is the alternative, surely cant be Advani, so is it Jaitley, Sushma .. how ridiculous the other choices sound. Indian public doesn't gives much opportunities to Non-Comgress alliance to form a govt. of whatever limited chance BJP has, it should'nt prop up NaMo in national level. That'll give immense opportunities & possibilities to Congress even if it doesn't fares well in the elections...The reason BJP does not get chances at the centre is because it has emasculated itself and NDA seems not too different from the UPA in the eyes of the voters. While I do not grudge that Vajpayee was PM for six years, had the BJP not compromised its principles and for power in the 90s, it may have emerged stronger and more robust. Today BJP has got nothing to gain by compromising again. Its better to rebuild the party under a leader like Modi who is popular among the cadre. There isnt any alternative either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asterix Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 ^ No time for rebuilding etc. if BJP can't make a govt even after the current govt being so unpopular, then 'lanan hain'... Public will resign to its fate that there's no alternative to Congress...the largest democracy in the World has been reduced to being the biggest autocracy of one family/party... Really Lanat Hain... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seedhi Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 ^ No time for rebuilding etc. if BJP can't make a govt even after the current govt being so unpopular' date=' then 'lanan hain'... [b']Public will resign to its fate that there's no alternative to Congress...the largest democracy in the World has been reduced to being the biggest autocracy of one family/party... Really Lanat Hain...Actually this is what happened in 2009. BJP needs to return to its principles and actually present itself as an alternative. With a compromised leader like Jaitley or Sushma BJP does not offer much to the voter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1983-2011 Posted June 20, 2012 Author Share Posted June 20, 2012 Riots under Narendra Modi rule cost NDA 2004 LS polls: Nitish Kumar New Delhi: Bihar Chief Minister Nitish Kumar on Wednesday upped the ante in the race for the BJP-led NDA's prime ministerial candidate by directly targeting Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi. Nitish claimed that Modi's "mishandling" of the 2002 Gujarat riots led to him (Modi) almost being sacked by the then prime minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee as he had not followed 'Raj Dharma'. "Vajapyee was not happy the way Modi handled Gujarat," said Nitish while adding that Modi failed to control the 2002 Gujarat riots after the Sabarmati Express train burning incident at Godhra, which led to the NDA losing the Lok Sabha elections in 2004. "Modi's mishandling of Gujarat cost NDA power in 2004," said Nitish. Nitish also stood by his comments on a secular Prime Minister. He said, "I stick to my comments about need for a secular Prime Minister." RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat, too, joined the war of words on Wednesday by backing Modi as BJP's prime ministerial candidate and took on Nitish. Bhagwat said the country should have Prime Minister who propounds Hindutva. "To keep alive the Hindutva ideology, the Hindu samaaj should come together. And the country should have a Prime Minister who believes in that ideology or propounds that view," said Bhagwat. The RSS chief also slammed Nitish and said that he is scared to call himself a Hindu. In response to the RSS chief's statements, JD(U) leader Shivanand Tiwari had come out in support of Nitish, saying that NDA lost the 2004 and the 2009 Lok Sabha elections as the secular votes went to the UPA. Clarifying that his party is a partner of the BJP and not of Modi. he said, "We have an alliance with the BJP and not with Modi. Whether we remain in the NDA or not, we will not compromise on secularism." The JD(U) reacted to the RSS remarks by saying that it has narrowed down the ideology of Hindusim and said that the RSS's support comes as no surprise considering that Modi himself has a RSS backgorund. Tiwari claimed that despite the then prime minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee was in favour of removing Modi as the Chief Minister of Gujarat following the 2002 riots, but the move was opposed by several senior BJP leaders. The war leads to few poignant questions: Why is Nitish Kumar raising questions about the PM candidate from NDA's side at this stage? Is Nitish-Modi spat on the verge of splitting the NDA? Is Nitish Kumar just indulging in shadow boxing with Modi to position himself as the most acceptable leader of NDA? Why did the RSS chief jump into the spat between Modi and Nitish when he usually doesn't speak openly on political matters? http://ibnlive.in.com/news/riots-under-modi-rule-cost-nda-ls-polls-nitish/267005-37-64.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1983-2011 Posted June 20, 2012 Author Share Posted June 20, 2012 RSS slams Nitish Kumar, says Prime Minister should be pro-Hindutva New Delhi: A day after Bihar Chief Minister Nitish Kumar reportedly targeted Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi, saying that the NDA should announce a secular Prime Ministerial candidate for 2014 Lok Sabha elections, the RSS on Wednesday come out in support of Modi, boosting the Gujarat leader's prime ministerial ambitions. RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat backed Modi as BJP's prime ministerial candidate and took on Nitish Kumar. Bhagwat said the country should have a Prime Minister who propounds Hindutva. "To keep alive the Hindutva ideology, the Hindu samaaj should come together. And the country should have a Prime Minister who believes in that ideology or propounds that view," said Bhagwat. The RSS chief also slammed Nitish and said that he is scared to call himself a Hindu. JD(U) leader Shivanand Tiwari came out in support of Nitish, saying that NDA lost the 2004 and the 2009 Lok Sabha elections as the secular votes went to the UPA. Clarifying that his party is a partner of the BJP and not of Modi. he said, "We have an alliance with the BJP and not with Modi. Whether we remain in the NDA or not, we will not compromise on secularism." Tiwari claimed that despite the then prime minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee was in favour of removing Modi as the Chief Minister of Gujarat following the 2002 riots, but the move was opposed by several senior BJP leaders. JD(U) MLC Devesh Chandra Thakur gave Mohan Bhagwat a curt response by pointing out that the ideologies of his party and that of the RSS-BJP were very different. "I don't think any one in this country will be surprised by the statement of Mohan Bhagwatji. Our ideology is different. Unfortunately RSS narrows down the ideology of Hinduism. Modi has a RSS back ground and it is obvious that the RSS will support him. There is no surprising element in this," said Thakur. The BJP also hit back at the Bihar Chief Minister and said that the party does not need to take certificate on secularism from anyone. "We do not need to take certificate on secularism from anyone. The BJP will decide its own prime ministerial candidate," said BJP leader Balbir Punj. Punj added, "When Gujarat riots took place, Nitish Kumar was the railway minister. He remained in the post till 2004. We have not authorised any one to give certificate of secularism to any individual." Modi and Nitish have been at loggerheads recently with Modi blaming Bihar's laggard growth on casteist politics. In an interview to the national daily 'Economic Times', Nitish had insisted that the NDA should name its Prime Ministerial candidate before the 2014 Lok Sabha polls and the candidate must have secular credentials and a liberal frame of mind. The Nitish-Modi rivalry has been on a high for the past few days. Modi took a dig at politicians from Uttar Pradesh and Bihar for what the Gujarat Chief Minister calls resorting to caste based politics. Nitish had then said that Modi, who has been a constant irritant in the JD(U)-BJP coalition ties in Bihar, should mind his own business instead of making comments on others. "One should think about one's own situation (Bihar par tippani karne walon ko apne halaat ke bare me sochana chahiye)", he had told reporters in reply to a question when asked for his reaction to Modi's remarks targeting Bihar leaders. http://ibnlive.in.com/news/rss-slams-nitish-says-pm-should-be-prohindutva/266973-37-64.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1983-2011 Posted June 20, 2012 Author Share Posted June 20, 2012 Nitish attack on Modi to boost his prospect in Guj polls: LJP LJP president Ramvilas Paswan today dubbed Bihar Chief Minister Nitish Kumar's call for a secular person to be projected as the NDA's prime ministerial candidate as a 'political stunt'. "It is nothing more than a political stunt. It appears that Kumar made the remarks to deflect the attention of the people from local problems and misrule of the state government and to polarize the minority votes in Gujarat so that the Hindu votes go to Modi in bulk in the assembly polls in Gujarat later this year," Paswan told reporters here. Questioning Kumar's secular credentials, he said, Kumar did not oppose L K Advani's candidature as the NDA's prime ministerial candidate in 2009 general elections though the BJP leader was an accused in the Babri Mosque demolition case. The JD(U) leader also did not resign from the NDA government to protest the 2002 Gujarat riots nor did he order a probe in the Sabarmati train massacre at Godhra, he said. The chief minister also allegedly tried to cover up the Forbesganj police firing incident in which four members of the minority community were killed last year, he said. The LJP leader asked Kumar to explain why he formed government with the BJP when it's Hindutva agenda was crystal clear and said that Animal Husbandry and Fisheries Minister Giriraj Singh has rightly described the chief minister as a 'pseudo secular' leader. www.business-standard.com/generalnews/news/nitish-attackmodi-to-boost-his-prospect-in-guj-polls-ljp/22817/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asterix Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Paswan calling somebody Pseudo-secular... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Paswan calling somebody Pseudo-secular... Whats the Hindi word for pseudo-secular? Doubt if Paswan would know how to say the English word. Secular is dharam-nirpekch...reminds me of the whole Non Aligned Movement days too when it was called Goot-Nirpeksh:--D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asterix Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 :cantstop: So unfair of Nitish.. Laaloo aur Paswan ke pait pe laat maar rahein hain.. After all these two are the only thekedaars of Secularism. No wonder both of them are alarmed. It's Chanakya buddhi of Shivanand Tiwari working there... Don't know the Hindi translation of Pseudo-Secularism... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sachin=GOD Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Modi ain't gonna be the BJP's PM candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 :cantstop: So unfair of Nitish.. Laaloo aur Paswan ke pait pe laat maar rahein hain.. After all these two are the only thekedaars of Secularism. No wonder both of them are alarmed. It's Chanakya buddhi of Shivanand Tiwari working there... Don't know the Hindi translation of Pseudo-Secularism... Shivanand Tiwari and Chanakya in the same sentence??? That is kind of watching a movie of Ashok Saraf and jumping off the couch shouting Mehmood is back babyyyy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asterix Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Shivanand Tiwari and Chanakya in the same sentence??? That is kind of watching a movie of Ashok Saraf and jumping off the couch shouting Mehmood is back babyyyy! :(( Okay Chanakya or not, I believe Shivanand Tiwari has always been a good strategist. Laloos loss, Nitish's gain... I'm pretty sure that it's his idea to take JD(U) solo... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 :(( Okay Chanakya or not, I believe Shivanand Tiwari has always been a good strategist. Laloos loss, Nitish's gain... I'm pretty sure that it's his idea to take JD(U) solo... Ch***ya hai wo. Actually it is partially our creation that folks like Shivanand Tiwari stay in political limelight. Chanakya was a supreme strategist, Tiwari is a luccha-chichora..ekdam low level ka behind the curtain wheeler-dealer. Kind of Sitaram Kesari really. EK season mein Laloo ke liye Brahmin vote jugadega, next season Nitish Kumar ke liye Bhumihaar vote. Maybe next season Paswan will make him look for Dalit vote as well Thats one thing in his favor, Shivanand Tiwari is an equal opportunity guy :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarke Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Too much BS about something that's not even required. Look at the shrewd Kangresis/Soniaji, they held the cards close to their chest and sprang a surprise in 2004. Its not a presidential democracy of ours wherein the voters identify the party by its leader. What the NDA simply needs to do is remind the people all across the length & breadth of the country whether they are happy with the inflation, power cuts etc. Campaign hard (something Soniaji does better across rural India) & get the message through about every corruption case associated with the current govt. Show your record in the individual states of Gujarat, Bihar & Punjab and try and fix what's wrong e.g. Karnataka. How's that for priorities ? Instead they squabble in public about the PM position so far in advance. The **** is wrong with them :shot: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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