bulbul Posted July 7, 2013 Posted July 7, 2013 Presiding over violence is not what happened under Modi. The state machinery' date=' whether through Modi's involvement or not, helped in perpetuating violence.[/quote'] '84 Riots are sponsored by Con party , nothing happened. But you want us to bash Modi even though there is no proof against him.
FischerTal Posted July 7, 2013 Posted July 7, 2013 so he should also be punished BUT the fact that he hasn't been punished doesn't mean that the BJP should copy that give Ministries to known criminals. but you cant hold somebody to be a criminal without evidence. Heck, here in America, people still call George Bush a war criminal. They did when he was in office too, but does that mean he was convicted? NO because most of those looney tunes(aka Muloghonto types) have nothing else to do but continue their cottage industry by making such sensational allegations. Now, even Obama is being called war criminal by America's far-leftists
The Outsider Posted July 7, 2013 Posted July 7, 2013 Just curious' date='Can you show a poster condemning both in same way as they condemn one topic?[/quote'] How many posters do you see on ICF vehemently supporting Vadra, Sonia, or the Congress like Modi for you to expect the condemnation to be equal. A discussion will happen only if there are opposing viewpoints, if everyone agrees that what Vadra did is wrong and should be punished at the most there will be one post stating that because there is no one to take the opposing view for a discussion.
The Outsider Posted July 7, 2013 Posted July 7, 2013 '84 Riots are sponsored by Con party ' date=' nothing happened. But you want us to bash Modi even though there is no proof against him.[/quote'] Nothing will happen even now, regardless of what I type on ICF. But I've made my stance very clear on ICF multiple times that I condemn the perpetrators of '84 and '02 equally.
seedhi Posted July 7, 2013 Posted July 7, 2013 Presiding over violence is not what happened under Modi. The state machinery' date=' whether through Modi's involvement or not, helped in perpetuating violence.[/quote']What happened in Gujarat was not unprecedented by any means. It had happened in almost all major riots.
The Outsider Posted July 7, 2013 Posted July 7, 2013 What happened in Gujarat was not unprecedented by any means. It had happened in almost all major riots. Which ones saw such a large scale violence and abuse of state machinery besides '84?
bulbul Posted July 7, 2013 Posted July 7, 2013 How many posters do you see on ICF vehemently supporting Vadra' date=' Sonia, or the Congress like Modi for you to expect the condemnation to be equal. A discussion will happen only if there are opposing viewpoints, if everyone agrees that what Vadra did is wrong and should be punished at the most there will be one post stating that because there is no one to take the opposing view for a discussion.[/quote'] How many posters who is vehemently opposing Modi does same with Vadra,Terrorists,against Muslim fundamentalism etc. It's the same people who defend Modi also target Vadhra , but people who hate Modi are silent about Vadhra or anything written against Hindu religion. Heck at least some people who criticize both Modi & Con party , how many people does this when comes to praising the good jobs by Modi?? now don't give me one or 2 posts per thread . There are even hit & run posters who opens thread and then doesn't even have 1 single post in them. Always ignore such things but blame others for inciting flame wars.
FischerTal Posted July 7, 2013 Posted July 7, 2013 How many posters who is vehemently opposing Modi does same with Vadra,Terrorists,against Muslim fundamentalism etc. It's the same people who defend Modi also target Vadhra , but people who hate Modi are silent about Vadhra or anything written against Hindu religion. Heck at least some people who criticize both Modi & Con party , how many people des this?? now don't give me one or 2 posts per thread . There are even hit & run posters who opens thread and then doesn't even have 1 single post in them. Always ignore such things but blame others for inciting flame wars. you should see the posts of all the atheists on this forum. :hatsoff:
The Outsider Posted July 7, 2013 Posted July 7, 2013 How many posters who is vehemently opposing Modi does same with Vadra,Terrorists,against Muslim fundamentalism etc. It's the same people who defend Modi also target Vadhra , but people who hate Modi are silent about Vadhra or anything written against Hindu religion. Heck at least some people who criticize both Modi & Con party , how many people does this when comes to praising the good jobs by Modi?? now don't give me one or 2 posts per thread . There are even hit & run posters who opens thread and then doesn't even have 1 single post in them. Always ignore such things but blame others for inciting flame wars. Did you even understand what I wrote? If I write a post, condemning Vadra and everyone in the thread has the same stance - what do you want me to do, keep writing "Vadra is corrupt, Vadra is corrupt" for a hundred more posts? There can be a discussion only if someone takes the stance that Vadra is not corrupt. On the other hand, if I write a post condemning Modi, koolaid drinking bhakts will swoon onto it like vultures and a discussion can be had because there are opposing points of view. In that case more posts will be made. If you still don't get it, I can't put it in simpler English so apologize in advance.
bulbul Posted July 7, 2013 Posted July 7, 2013 Did you even understand what I wrote? If I write a post, condemning Vadra and everyone in the thread has the same stance - what do you want me to do, keep writing "Vadra is corrupt, Vadra is corrupt" for a hundred more posts? There can be a discussion only if someone takes the stance that Vadra is not corrupt. On the other hand, if I write a post condemning Modi, koolaid drinking bhakts will swoon onto it like vultures and a discussion can be had because there are opposing points of view. In that case more posts will be made. If you still don't get it, I can't put it in simpler English so apologize in advance. Let there 100 posts with similar tone , you express your opinion. Threads are not only for discussion it also to share opinions. I never thought you post based on already present opinions in that thread. Forget already created thread why cant 'others' create new threads when some topics arise? You condemn Modi just to create a discussion? But I have seen people condemn Modi/create new threads even if there are tons of posts/threads condemning him. ps: What is this koolaid??
Crookbond Posted July 7, 2013 Posted July 7, 2013 you should see the posts of all the atheists on this forum. :hatsoff: You may not know the religious affinity of a person from his posts.
FischerTal Posted July 7, 2013 Posted July 7, 2013 You may not know the religious affinity of a person from his posts. i know for many on this forum because they have stated it themselves that they are atheists. PS- no reference to you
The Outsider Posted July 7, 2013 Posted July 7, 2013 Let there 100 posts with similar tone , you express your opinion. Threads are not only for discussion it also to share opinions. I never thought you post based on already present opinions in that thread. Forget already created thread why cant 'others' create new threads when some topics arise? You condemn Modi just to create a discussion? But I have seen people condemn Modi/create new threads even if there are tons of posts/threads condemning him. ps: What is this koolaid?? I hardly create threads. Here is a link to the threads I've created in the past year in Chit Chat. How many Modi or politics related thread do you see there: http://indiancricketfans.com/search.php?searchid=996212 And sorry, I don't have the inclination to repeat "Vadra is corrupt" in a hundred posts if there are no counterpoints being offered. It's boring.
bulbul Posted July 7, 2013 Posted July 7, 2013 I hardly create threads. Here is a link to the threads I've created in the past year in Chit Chat. How many Modi or politics related thread do you see there: http://indiancricketfans.com/search.php?searchid=996212 And sorry, I don't have the inclination to repeat "Vadra is corrupt" in a hundred posts if there are no counterpoints being offered. It's boring. It's not about you only. As for as that link , few threads are merged.
The Outsider Posted July 7, 2013 Posted July 7, 2013 It's not about you only. As for as that link , few threads are merged. I can't answer for others. Why don't you tell me how many Modi related threads have I created on ICF, if you don't trust that link?
bulbul Posted July 7, 2013 Posted July 7, 2013 I can't answer for others. Why don't you tell me how many Modi related threads have I created on ICF' date=' if you don't trust that link?[/quote'] This thread started more than year back , many threads were merged into this , if you don't believe me ask fellow Mod's. I already told its not only about you , even my earlier posts says about same thing how many posters vehemently oppose different subjects. PS : You are not the hit & run poster I mentioned :winky:
bulbul Posted July 7, 2013 Posted July 7, 2013 @Outsider , where did I blamed you for creating threads against Modi?
seedhi Posted July 7, 2013 Posted July 7, 2013 Which ones saw such a large scale violence and abuse of state machinery besides '84?The 1992-93 riots in Bombay, at least the Sri Krishna report severely indicts the Bombay police. About the Bhagalpur 1989 riots in which 1000 people died: KS Dwivedi, the Superintendent accused of being anti-Muslim, was asked by the chief minister to hand over the charge to Ajit Datt on the same day. However, during a tour of the riot-affected area, the Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi overruled Dwivedi's transfer at the demand of a mob composed of policemen and VHP supporters. .... Chief Minister Satyendra Narayan Sinha, who stepped down .. also accused the Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi of overruling his order to transfer the then superintendent of police K S Dwivedi without consulting him, although Dwivedi had completely failed to control the riots. He alleged that the decision was "not only an encroachment of the Constitutional right of the state government but also a step detrimental to ongoing efforts to ease tensions". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Bhagalpur_violenceSo much for Rajiv Gandhi on whom the congress swears day in and day out.
The Outsider Posted July 7, 2013 Posted July 7, 2013 The 1992-93 riots in Bombay, at least the Sri Krishna report severely indicts the Bombay police. About the Bhagalpur 1989 riots in which 1000 people died: So much for Rajiv Gandhi on whom the congress swears day in and day out. Those are hardly examples of widespread abuse of the state machinery as in '84 and '02.
seedhi Posted July 7, 2013 Posted July 7, 2013 Those are hardly examples of widespread abuse of the state machinery as in '84 and '02.On what specific metrics are you basing your argument that Gujarat'02 and Bombay'92-93 are not comparable ?
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