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[kumble_rocks]

Oh comon DR ! You dont have Modi going around on Swabhimaan Yaatraas around Gujrat , releasing disturbing pictures of the Godhra train massacre victims on a CD now do you ? And ofcourse , they might make such speeches now too , but only the environment is not as vitriolic as it was then. Modi and his cohorts used that atmosphere to whip up communal tension and polarize the people. In my eyes , Modi , Togadia and his VHP friends are as much as criminals as a Bin Laden or Mullah Omar.

Forget Modi , DR fails to criticize Bal Thackerey who actually encouraged his goons in Shiv Sena to beat up his hometown Biharis. Their only sin was coming to Mumbai to take railway exam.

[Ram]

Forget Modi ' date=' DR fails to criticize Bal Thackerey who actually encouraged his goons in Shiv Sena to beat up his hometown Biharis. Their only sin was coming to Mumbai to take railway exam.[/quote'] But this has got nothing to do with Hinduism/Islam isnt it KR ? its just some selfish politicians willing to do ANYTHING to secure their vote bank. And i am really surprised DR didnt have any problems with the Shiv Sena doing such stuff. Wonder whats his opinion on it now.

[Guest dada_rocks]

that's where again the desperation ot mae it an eyewash comes to fore.. for instance caste systemm, i am convinced caste system in concept was not meant what it;s today.. it was just labour distribution economics at work.. but we found that yes it gets misused and we have legislation in place where any caste-based discimination is a criminal offence......... but u would still like me to keep beating this issue whene islamists achilles heel comes ot the question.. totally forgetting the fact that forget about taking corrective measure they have not even started facing the fact that if not the outrightly mornic edicts they do have the case of edicts gone wrong..........for instance I have said before I will say it again find me a country wherre semblance of parity even in constitution exits in muslim and non-muslims..how those legislation fare is next stage they have not doen the bare minimum which is theoretically accepting the problem.. Again u wud expect me to make ti an eyewash so hindus have caste-system ( notwithstanding the fact that they have made it illegal in constitution) and muslims have sets of problems which they religiously cling so they are same.. unfortunately i can't think like that.. had hindus still resisted the constitutinlizationf of the criminalization of caste-based discriminatioN i wud have roasted them just like mullahs .. but they don't grudgingly or willingly it has been accept edand yes on the ground there is still much to be done but the big step towards that has already been taken........ Then u come thumping manu-smirit,about which nobody cares.. this is what I call fetish for non-issue

[Guest dada_rocks]

But this has got nothing to do with Hinduism/Islam isnt it KR ? its just some selfish politicians willing to do ANYTHING to secure their vote bank. And i am really surprised DR didnt have any problems with the Shiv Sena doing such stuff. Wonder whats his opinion on it now.

Nope I criticised Thackrey but what I didn't is call him evil genesis of everythign bad.. at worst he is the progeny of 40 years of uninterrupted mulla goondgardi in mumbai.. that's what essentially he is....... REgarding Modi I have asked u in past KR and u have disappeared produce me even single piece of evidence supporting the garbage whihc u rite against him.. just one will do..

[Ram]

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2002/20020916/nation.htm#4 Here you go DR , the evidence which you asked for. I can dig up many more if you want , but i shall stop at this.

[Guest dada_rocks]

My opninon is simple.. u people expect hindus too have unlimited tolerance whihc is little too much to ask... do u want me to start for the time being mull over this 1905 muslim league 1937 Hindu mahasabha.... 40 years of mullah goondagardi then shiv sena Their dictum is we will croner u till u snap and then will call u extremist and people like u are actually falling into this trap..

[Ram]

You are forgetting one basic aspect of this discussion DR. This is NOT a Hindu Vs Muslim debate. This debate is more about your alleged double standards in dealing with such issues.

[Guest dada_rocks]

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2002/20020916/nation.htm#4 Here you go DR , the evidence which you asked for. I can dig up many more if you want , but i shall stop at this.

that is evidence .. hey u can find thousand mention of action reaction coming of modi;s mouth but that's not evidence evidence is either him accepting he said it or u producing the video.. tribune hindu reference is no evidence am sorry to say.. btw in same article it also says CM clams he has nto said anythign derogatory...... further proves u are one janidiced individual who will beloieve any crap as lpng as it's rpinted or posted somewhere.. editorial aftre editorial u could have pasted if that flies as evidence in ur book but sadly it doesn;t in book of anyone who is not biassed

[Ram]

Oh yeah.. even a 2 year old kid would know why Modi went on all his Yaatras after that Godhra killings and made all those speeches. Even the election commission of India ( one of the fairest org in India) took offence to what he had to say. If you are going deny this , then you are living in denial i am afraid to say.

[Guest dada_rocks]

You are forgetting one basic aspect of this discussion DR. This is NOT a Hindu Vs Muslim debate. This debate is more about your alleged double standards in dealing with such issues.

And as I have pointed out there is certainly different level of crime.. Caste system: hindus illegalized it apostacy death: muslims legitimized it I can go on and on it's obvious whose scripture needs bigger danda.. to bad I can;t be a psec writer and make ti all an eyewash.. U guys can allege whatever u want in my view that's psec garbage nothing less nothing more..

[Ram]

it's obvious whose scripture needs bigger danda.. to bad I can;t be a psec writer and make ti all an eyewash.. U guys can allege whatever u want in my view that's psec garbage nothing less nothing more..

Nobody is defending the p-sec community here. There are a bunch of of oppurtunistic double speakers. We are only questioning your opposite stands on similar issues. For example , you once called Israel's invasion of Palestine as something good for the palestinian people.

[Guest dada_rocks]

Oh yeah.. even a 2 year old kid would know why Modi went on all his Yaatras after that Godhra killings and made all those speeches. Even the election commission of India ( one of the fairest org in India) took offence to what he had to say. Within 24 hours of godhara post-godhara started wonder which yatara he did in those 24 hours.. aren't u confusing it with gujarat gaurav yatra at the time of election whihc followed much later.. Election commission of India objected to ham panch hamare pachis.. politically incorrect no doubt but again census shows factually correct..

[Ram]

. Within 24 hours of godhara post-godhara started wonder which yatara he did in those 24 hours.. aren't u confusing it with gujarat gaurav yatra at the time of election whihc followed much later.. Election commission of India objected to ham panch hamare pachis.. politically incorrect no doubt but again census shows factually correct..

So , what you are saying is , because those Yatraas werent made just before the riots , Modi is free to say whatevr he wants. Those Yatraas were a blatant attempt to increase the communal divide between hindus and muslims and nothing else. what a shameful piece of act.

[Guest dada_rocks]

Nobody is defending the p-sec community here. There are a bunch of of oppurtunistic double speakers. We are only questioning your opposite stands on similar issues. For example , you once called Israel's invasion of Palestine as something good for the palestinian people.

Israel has every right to defend itself against the morons who are blood-thrisyt and had been working to wipe it out .. period .. it never attacked anyone till it was collecitvely attacked by its neighbours......... and yes israel dis convert those dry place into green land so they do deserve the pat if palestiaisn behave they will benefit from that if not then be ready to cop some danda..... all people who will go bonkers over pakistan's activity in kashmir suddenly expect israel to turn into Dalai lama.. that's what is double standard.. i see this thread is going everywhere except the OP..

[Ram]

Israel has every right to defend itself against the morons who are blood-thrisyt and had been working to wipe it out .. period .. it never attacked anyone till it was collecitvely attacked by its neighbours......... and yes israel dis convert those dry place into green land so they do deserve the pat if palestiaisn behave they will benefit from that if not then be ready to cop some danda..... all people who will go bonkers over pakistan's activity in kashmir suddenly expect israel to turn into Dalai lama.. that's what is double standard.. i see this thread is going everywhere except the OP..

That is biggest piece of bull i have ever seen someone try to sell. I also see the thread is going way off topic. What do you suggest we do ? stop now ?

[Guest dada_rocks]

So , what you are saying is , because those Yatraas werent made just before the riots , Modi is free to say whatevr he wants. Those Yatraas were a blatant attempt to increase the communal divide between hindus and muslims and nothing else. what a shameful piece of act.

First accept that u were lying in order to prove modi's crime... it seems u guys are free to BS anything but if pointed out u move on to next stuff without the basic decency of acceptign ur lie. Yes he is free to say that in my book how long one will pretend like everything is fine and dandy.. they dohave higher birth rate and need to be told if it hurts too bad... mend your ways....Had it been any other religious group I wud not have bothered but these are the guys who start askign for separate nation the moment their numner is right so any one who is worried about territorial integrity of India will point that out.. Anyway are u accpeting MODi did no yatra of any sort post-godhara came from godhara.. if not produce the evidence.. it seems onlYi have the responsibility of producing evidence for what i believe in and u guys can keep going on hitting and runnig in psec style without any worries to corroborate what u write..

[Guest dada_rocks]

That is biggest piece of bull i have ever seen someone try to sell. I also see the thread is going way off topic. What do you suggest we do ? stop now ?

I wud suggest do little search , India =n delgeates these days visits israel too often to leanr how to do farmign in dry lands .. Nooone denies this fact if u do well it;s ur prergoative to belive what u like.. Yes Israel has every right to defend itself agianst the barbarians who have been trying to wipe it out from day one.. i guess nothign more needs to be said on this..

[sandtest]

No one, except ourselves are falling in the propaganda of Islamists and evangelicals. Tell me, how many people among Hindus have Manusmriti in their house?? disgusting thing is that, Islamists and EJs invoke manusmriti more often than we Hindus. Why we are falling to their propaganda. If we ourselves will not get a correct view, how we can expect that we can be saved from those "peaceful" Religions monotheistic charms? Caste is a "Practice" by only illiterate and uneducated people mostly in remore villages of India....Caste practice has been in steady decline....in present time I can hardly see caste practice being enforced in cities like Mumbai??...so why Islamists cannot see these...If caste was such an eternal law, why all Hindus including those educated one living in Cities are not practicing. Heck, even p-secs like Arjun Singh practice caste sytem by deviding Indians on the line of reservation and none of us seem to notice this. And yeah, for those who go on ridiculing VHP should know that VHP has rejected the Caste system of Manu-Smriti.

[Ram]

First accept that u were lying in order to prove modi's crime... it seems u guys are free to BS anything but if pointed out u move on to next stuff without the basic decency of acceptign ur lie.

Why the hell would i lie ? I , unlike you my friend , have no agenda here. I call a spade a spade , irrespective of whether the "spade" is Hindu or muslim. Please go and check the other threads where i have openly labasted Muslim terrorists. And i dunno how you expect me to provide evidence of Modi's wrong doing. What do you want me to do , provide you with a taped telephonic conversation with Modi or something ? At best , i can provide you with news articles and clippings. You are free to accept or deny it , but dont be naive enough to say - " where is the evidence ?" I am not the CBI. the truth lies out there , for everybody to know and it is imprinted on EVERY dead body of the Godhra riots.

Anyway are u accpeting MODi did no yatra of any sort post-godhara came from godhara.. if not produce the evidence.. it seems onlYi have the responsibility of producing evidence for what i believe in and u guys can keep going on hitting and runnig in psec style without any worries to corroborate what u write..

Yea , keep asking us of something we cant give. The truth as i said , is out there for all to see. The election victory that BJP masterminded was on the dead-bodies of innocent women and children , both Hindu and Muslim.

[Ram]

I wud suggest do little search , India =n delgeates these days visits israel too often to leanr how to do farmign in dry lands .. Nooone denies this fact if u do well it;s ur prergoative to belive what u like.. Yes Israel has every right to defend itself agianst the barbarians who have been trying to wipe it out from day one.. i guess nothign more needs to be said on this..

Please read this report by Amnest International on the impact of the Isreali occupation of Palestine and then come and speak with me on this issue http://www.amnesty.org/resources/pdf/Israelreport.pdf