Mid-day meal: after muslim kids it's turn of upper caste men to be an a$$

[CC1981]

Its funny to hear 'muslims breed like pigs' when non-muslim indians ( read: hindus and sikhs mostly) breed like vermins compared to rest of the world. 'Ulta chor kotwaal ko daante' syndrome. And i do not see any credible evidence for denial of this story. It is reported in the media and the media mentions facts in their story. Its counter is nothing more than an upper-cast hindu trying to protect his own interests. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Guest dada_rocks]

http://www.kashmirherald.com/featuredarticle/indiacensus.html nice piece.. Indian Census and Muslim population growth Vinod Kumar I, personally, was not at all surprised; alarmed, yes -- but surprised -- no, by the "revelations" of the Census 2001. The Muslim population growth in India at one and half times the rate of Hindu population growth rate is no "revelation" and given the Hindu mindset and priorities neither is the decline in the rate of growth of Hindu population.. The broad outlines have been there for centuries for anyone to see, if only one was willing to face the reality. In broad terms, the Muslim population in India has been growing in geometrical progression vis-à-vis Hindus who have been growing in arithmetical progression. And with the improvement of educational and economic level of the Hindus, the disparity has become even more pronounced. To put it in broader perspective, Muslim population has steadily grown from 13% in 1800 to 16% in 1850 to 20% in 1900 to 25% in 1947 and anywhere between 30 to 33% today taking into account the geographical area of pre-partitioned India. These statistics are available from various sources. The high rate of Muslim population is not unique to India alone. Barring the isolated case of Indonesia, Muslim population growth outpaces almost every other group in just about any country in the world. Almost ten years ago, I had analyzed the 1961 and 1991 census. The growth disparity even in the two were almost identical to one between the 1991 and 2001. Between 1961 and 1991 Muslim population had grown by 133.66% as compared to Hindu growth of 89.24% -- the Muslim population growth being 150% of the Hindu population growth. To bring it up to date -- Between 1961 and 2001, in absolute numbers, the Hindu population has grown from 366 million to 827 million - a growth of 126% while the Muslim population in the same period grew from 47 million to 138 million -- a growth of 193 per cent. The Muslim population growth was consistent at about 50 per cent higher than the Hindu population. What is more alarming is that Hindu population growth rate has declined from 25% in the previous decades to about 20% in the decade preceding the Census while the Muslim population growth , if not increased, as the initial data had indicated, it has almost remained constant, and if declined, only marginally so. It is still a high of around 30%. The hoopla caused by census 2001 release just goes to show the hypocrisy of politicians of all hues. The controversy regarding the lack of census in J&K and Assam in 1991 and 1981 respectively, while it may satisfy the appetite of the secularists, is insignificant in broader terms. So of the striking features of Muslim population are: The lowest growth rates of Muslim, while still higher than that of the Hindus, are in the south. Tamil Nadu recording the lowest with 13.7 per cent followed by Kerala (15.9), Andhra Pradesh ( 17.9) and Karnataka (23) while the largest Muslim population growth has come from what are border states of Assam, Meghalaya, West Bengal, UP, Bihar, Jharkhand, Rajasthan and J&K. Even more alarming is the fact that the percentage of population in the age group of 0-6 years was maximum among Muslims at 18.7 per cent as compared to 15.6% among the Hindus and 15.9% the national average. With further declining population growth rate among the Hindus, the percentage rate of Muslim children in the lower age bracket is only likely to go up. This is a significant 20% above the rate among the Hindus. The Muslim population percentage in the age group 0 - 6 is 15.8% as compared to 13.4% overall. This is indication of the shape of population mix in the future. With higher rate of Muslim population growth it will only increase. Some have put forward the argument that the Muslims being minority feel threatened and hence they need to increase in numbers, holds no water. Muslim population growth in India has been actually slightly less than in Pakistan where no threat to Muslims exist. Between 1961 and 1998, its population (96.28 % Muslim) grew from 43 million to 132 million - a growth of 207 per cent -- at the annual growth rate of 3.092%. The annual growth of Muslim population in India between 1961 and 2001 has been 2.7367%. High Muslim population growth is in fact a part of a greater global plan to make Islam the dominant religion in the world by sheer demographics. In all fairness to Muslims, their religious leaders and most rank and file are quite open about why the Muslims want to increase their population at a faster rate. As many Muslim leaders have pointed out they are not interested in "quality of life" -- they are interested in "the quantity of the Muslim population". In the aftermath of Census release when one Muslim leader called for Muslims to practice birth control, other Muslim scholars rebuffed him and called for more children of Islam and some women groups have publicly protested against the proposed family planning. This strategy has paid off. Muslim population growth, specially in North Africa, has filled the vacuum of declining birth rates in Europe. Demographers for several years now have been predicting that at the latest by the end of this century, Muslims will outnumber non-Muslims in Europe and it will become an extension of Arabia. Some have even called it Eurabia. Their strategy is simple -- take over the world by demographics. Political pundits of "secular hue" in India lost no time in linking the high rate of Muslim population growth to Muslim backwardness -- both economic and educational; and if not directly so, at least by implication that it is the fault of India -- read Hindu -- government that the Muslims of India are backward. Muslim backwardness, though not a subject of this paper is not unique to India. Muslim backwardness, both economic and educational, as studies have shown is prevalent in the UK and Europe also. See http://vinodkumar.voiceofdharma.org/articles/backwardness.htm The myth of linking high population growth with lack of education has been amply demolished by the census itself. Muslim literacy of 59.1% in India is really not that much lower than those of the Hindus at 65.1% and in some states, it is even higher than those of Hindus. Even in those states, the Muslim population growth is still higher than those of the Hindus. For example in Kerala, the Muslim literacy rate is 90 per cent and still their growth rate is 16 per cent in comparison to state population growth of 9.4 per cent. Similar is the situation in many states like Maharashtra, Gujarat and some others. An impression is created in the media that the Muslims in India are victims of discrimination by the Hindus. No political commentator has bothered to inform the people that literacy rate of Muslims (59.1%) in India is considerably higher than those of Muslims in Pakistan at 43.92% (1998 Census). Now the question arises what are long term implications of growing percentage of Muslim population for the Hindus? Many secularists like to downplay what it means in the future specially since the highest population growth rates have come from the border states. The growth of Muslim population cannot be seen in isolation. It has to be looked upon in conjunction with exploding Muslim population in Pakistan and Bangladesh. Mass migration of Muslim population to India from Pakistan and Bangladesh in the future cannot be ruled out.. Already 10 - 30 million -- accurate figures are hard to come by -- Muslims from Bangladesh over the decades have settled in various parts of India. This will only worsen the situation in border states which already have a higher percentage and growth rate of Muslim population. There is no better guide for the future than the past. What has happened in the past? As a result of Muslim invasions from the West and northwest, areas lying on way of Muslim invaders and long occupation and mass conversions of the Hindus to Islam at the point of the sword, the Hindu states of Baluchistan, NW Frontier, Punjab and Sindh became Muslim majority states. Afghanistan became completely Islamic. Bengal on the East also became predominantly Islamic -- for reasons not subject of this paper. The net result was that Islamized areas adopted Alien culture and turned hostile to national Hindu ethos and culture -- ultimately ending up as separate Islamic states of Pakistan and Bangladesh. The fear expressed by some Hindu groups on the exploding Muslim population in India are not misplaced. Similar future for areas that become high Muslim dominated areas cannot be ruled out. There is already a secessionist insurgency going on the in only Muslim majority state of Jammu and Kashmir where almost all the non-Muslims have been expelled. To claim Pakistan is fomenting trouble is to state only half the truth. The insurgency has much support from the local Muslim population. What can India do? The results of Islamization are evident from looking at what Afghanistan, Pakistan and Bangladesh are today. If India and the Hindus do not want to go the same route, the immediate things India should do prevent exploding Muslim population are: - Without any further delay implement Uniform Civil Code for all religions across India. - Implement and enforce strict birth control measures. - Strict border control to stop any illegal immigration of Muslims from Bangladesh and eventually from Pakistan. - Abolish article 370 and make the State of J&K open to all Indians. These are the preliminary steps that should be taken immediately. And above all, propagation of hate against other religions in the name of religion should be made a crime. Any "romantic" and "sentimental" ideas regarding reunification of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh should be summarily dismissed. Such action would result in Islamization of India within the next few decades. If India wants to preserve its culture, ethos and integrity, these are the minimum first steps that should be taken immediately. Publication of Census 2001 is a timely reminder of the Muslim population explosion. Hindus can afford to ignore it only at the peril of survival of their own civilization.

[Guest dada_rocks]

Its funny to hear 'muslims breed like pigs' when non-muslim indians ( read: hindus and sikhs mostly) breed like vermins compared to rest of the world. 'Ulta chor kotwaal ko daante' syndrome. And i do not see any credible evidence for denial of this story. It is reported in the media and the media mentions facts in their story. Its counter is nothing more than an upper-cast hindu trying to protect his own interests. Nothing more, nothing less.

I guess the bold part sud be equally unacceptable, and hence purged..

[CC1981]

I guess the bold part sud be equally unacceptable, and hence purged..

Why ? I didnt ask for purging your comments about muslims breeding like vermins- for that is true. But don't forget the rest of india either. Indians breed like vermins. True or false ?

[Ram]

Firstly, we have to get it right that, there is difference bewteen Political maneuvoring attributed to crime and terrorist activities against the nation. YOU just in one plain sentence placed a democratically elected Chief Minister in the same place as likes of Osama, Zawahiri and Mullah Omar. I couldn't have objected if you develop an opinion that politicians at some stage do/take decisions which are very much qualify to be a crime.

S'test , how can you differentiate an actual act of killing and deliberate manipulation of people' mind and mis-use of official machinery to orchestrate riots which killed thousands of people ? I cant. In my eyes , both the killer and the person who provides moral , material , financial and covert support to that act of killing deserve the same punishment.

Because in that sense even American President Bush and Chenney are also criminals, since they also authorize CIA for many covert activities, which common people and media will never know--- Americans do this because they only think about "their" interests. Reason why you or millions of many Indians living abroad are not ready to accept Modi in the same place as Bush or Chenney are because the media has created a permanent place in peoples mind. If you will think again perhaps you will know that America's biggest achievement is that their media is always successful in conducting psy-ops. While America wants it's people to be hardcore "Nationalists" and patriotic to core, it doesn't want other countries like that...because it feels that Nationalism of RSS and Right wing Parties of India may not be in long term interest of USA. This is the reason why many Americans consider Bush did error but NEVER condemn him like we Indians are ridiculing Modi.

I couldnt care less about What America thinks about its president, but i am sure it would be relevant for you to know what I think of him. I think Bush is the biggest war criminal in this world and needs to be tried in Intnl court of justice of justice for war crimes. And i am not selective in voicing this opinion. I have even had heated arguments with currently serving US marines who are now back home and have served many months in Iraq about America's dubious role in this war on Terror. I am not selective in criticizing criminals , be it Bin Laden , Modi . Bush or anybody

Actually Modi did EXACTLY THE SAME THING WHAT AMERICAN PRESIDENT WILL DO FOR HIS PEOPLE. i.e. Interest of 85% Hindus is the interest of India. If this thing doesnot become clear like Sky in Laddakh then we "educated" Indians should blame ourselves and remain self-Apologetic forever. And this I am able to say with confidence because I have never been to west....and I can look at west from Indian perspective

How can riots be in the interest of any country under any circumstance ? beats my logic totally !

[The Outsider]

I hate to do this guys and this is the first thread I am locking in almost a year long history of this board but religious discussions simply cannot go on here. We are trying our best to integrate blogs as we had in the previous version of the board to post relgious discussions (which no one availed) and they should be available soon, but unless one of you volunteers to take possession of the servers from Ravi, these kind of discussions are out of bound. I apologize for restricting your freedom of speech.